I'm 46 and have most of the common and the more bizarre symptoms of perimenopause. BUT, I don't get the night sweats on a regular basis. I had three night sweat episodes last year, and just one this year. I have never experienced hot flashes.
What does this mean? Is my estrogen high enough to prevent me from having these symptoms? Is it just a matter of time?
I would love to hear from everyone out there. Anyone else staying warm and dry at night besides me ?!
suzy
Full Version: Can We Be in Perimenopause Without Night Sweats?
heehee...I hope that you make it through without the night sweats. They are not fun. I've had them for 10 years...and started with one or two a year for the first 6 or 7 years, then they gradually progressed to the majority of the time.
Didn't have hot flashes until I had my full hysterectomy and got off the patch a few months later. They don't bother me as much, since I've always been cold-natured.
But like I've read all over this board, it's not just about the night sweats and hot flashes...if you're getting the rest of the symptoms, that's bad enough.
Good luck in keeping away from the broken thermostat!
I went a long time before I had night sweats. I'd be very happy to have just one symptom...preferably a dry vagina cos I could just slap a bit of KY on and get on with my life quite happily! 
(I bet a tube would last me years )
(I bet a tube would last me years )
I had the night sweats for three months then they just stopped .. I haven't had one since (about 5 months ). I have been in peri probably 4 years now starting with the irregular periods. I have plenty of other symptoms and maybe the sweats will come back. I hope not though!
KIm
KIm
Not everyone gets every peri symptom. I had only a brief period of night sweats (several nights over a period of one or 2 months), about a year ago. I'm now going on 8 months without a period, and have no night sweats at all.
Some women don't have hot flashes!
Some women don't have hot flashes!
Hi there suzyq - If you don't have night sweats and you want to know what that means....I'd call it LUCKY ...
Like Jacquie said not everyone gets every peri-meno. symptoms...and some symptoms are temporarily, kinda like a hit and run type thing
...and you can say - oh yeah, I had that once...and some last a longer time period...Each woman's chemistry is different for each body.
Blessings,
Stacy
...Like Jacquie said not everyone gets every peri-meno. symptoms...and some symptoms are temporarily, kinda like a hit and run type thing
...and you can say - oh yeah, I had that once...and some last a longer time period...Each woman's chemistry is different for each body.Blessings,
Stacy
Hi everyone:
I too have not had night sweats (yet) I do have hot flashes though. I don't mind them to much as I would rather have that than the anxiety.
I laughed so hard Alice3 about your KY comment. Isn't that the truth? I don't mind some of these symptoms and hope that they go away like everyone says. If they just last a few months, I can deal with it. At least I know what is going on.
I have been using the soy powder though and I have found I am feeling a little better.
I too have not had night sweats (yet) I do have hot flashes though. I don't mind them to much as I would rather have that than the anxiety.
I laughed so hard Alice3 about your KY comment. Isn't that the truth? I don't mind some of these symptoms and hope that they go away like everyone says. If they just last a few months, I can deal with it. At least I know what is going on.
I have been using the soy powder though and I have found I am feeling a little better.
I have been hit hard by peri over the past year, but have not had a hot flash or a night sweat. Seems I have just about everything else though. I think I would rather have the hot flashes and the night sweats any day as I think I could handle them easier than 24x7 anxiety, muscle twitches and internal vibration, buzzing, joint pain everywhere, tingling fingers, headaches, and I could go on. I wonder sometimes if I will ever get those symptoms, as I seem to be deep in the worst part of this now. I guess only time will tell.......
hi,Ladies,does anyone keep the heat in thier body,for instance; after i blow dry my hair or vacume,I stay hot for ever.Not necessarily sweating,it seems it takes a long time to cool down?
I am going through my peri just like yours however you seemed to have missed palpitations in there! This is the most horrible time for me and I PRAY that eventually this will pass...does anyone know if these symptoms do go away sometime? I just need a time to look forward to.
Thanks
Thanks
Got the palpitations too, although I can totally tell those come when I am highly anxious, so I am sure they are just one of the manifestations of my anxiety. And of course they make me even more anxious! Do some people have palps without anxiety?
I started with palps 12 years ago (early 30's) without anxiety. 2 months post partum. Then the anxiety and panic hit but I think it was because of the palps.
QUOTE (che che @ Jul 7 2005, 11:30 AM)
hi,Ladies,does anyone keep the heat in thier body,for instance; after i blow dry my hair or vacume,I stay hot for ever.Not necessarily sweating,it seems it takes a long time to cool down?
Usually during the evening or when I go to bed I get hot. I don't sweat or look flushed. I just stay warm for 2-4 hours *blah* It seems to take forever before I cool down.
Lots of great responses to my question. Thanks !! Maybe I'll get the night sweats and hot flashes and maybe I won't !!
I have had a couple of palpitations recently. Nothing really bad, but last week I was aware of the heart palpitations - they were very fast and high in my chest, way above my heart (?) Lasted about 30 seconds. They weren't connected to anxiety, but probably something I ate.
Hang in there!
I have had a couple of palpitations recently. Nothing really bad, but last week I was aware of the heart palpitations - they were very fast and high in my chest, way above my heart (?) Lasted about 30 seconds. They weren't connected to anxiety, but probably something I ate.
Hang in there!
Night sweats was my first symptom of peri, talk about not beating around the bush!
anyway, that was when I turned 40 and I maybe had 2 more but now I'm 42 and haven't had night sweats since then. I do get warm(hot flash) out of the blue and I hope the night sweats do stay away. I am in full blown peri without the night sweats. I hope I didn't just jinx myself!
anyway, that was when I turned 40 and I maybe had 2 more but now I'm 42 and haven't had night sweats since then. I do get warm(hot flash) out of the blue and I hope the night sweats do stay away. I am in full blown peri without the night sweats. I hope I didn't just jinx myself!
Menopausal Hormone Therapy: A New Debate
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
By Salynn Boyles
STORIES LINKS
•Menopause Symptoms Return When Hormones Stop•Web MD Commentary: The Dilemma of Menopause
Seventy-four-year-old Marilyn Bayer had been taking estrogen for almost 20 years when the Women's Health Initiative trial was abruptly halted three years ago.
The study was stopped because it found that hormone therapy did not prevent heart disease in older women. The study also showed an increased risk of strokes, blood clots, and breast cancer.
Bayer says she stopped hormone therapy "cold turkey" on the advice of her doctor following the publication of the study's initial results. But even though she was decades past menopause, her menopausal symptoms returned with a vengeance and they did not go away with time.
"The hot flashes were bothersome, but it was the night sweats and insomnia that really drove me crazy," she tells WebMD. "Suddenly, I had a hard time going to sleep and I couldn't stay asleep very long."
The Worcester, Mass., woman had had enough when her doctor put her back on estrogen last year, although at a much lower dosage than she had been on before.
The low-dose hormone therapy seems to be helping, but she is still troubled by the menopausal symptoms that she had hoped would by now be a distant memory.
"I thought that going off hormones wouldn't be that big of a deal for me, because I was past 70," she says. "But both my mother and grandmother had hot flashes until the day they died."
Read Web MD's "Get the Facts about Hormone Therapy."
'Absolutely Desperate'
It seems that Bayer's story is not that unusual. Although exact figures are hard to pin down, it is believed that millions of middle-aged and elderly women stopped hormone therapy soon after the WHI findings made headlines in July 2002.
Wulf Utian, MD, PhD, tells WebMD that he believes about a third of them later went back on some form of hormones -- usually lower doses than they were previously taking -- because their hot flashes and other symptoms returned. Utian is president of the North American Menopause Society and is a professor of gynecology at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University.
"I saw so many patients who were at wit's end when they stopped hormone therapy," he tells WebMD. "They were absolutely desperate."
A 2003 survey of women who stopped taking hormones following the halting of the WHI trial found that a quarter ended up back on the therapy due to a return of bothersome symptoms.
Women who had had hysterectomies or had been on hormone therapy for many years were the most likely to go back on the treatment, as were women who originally began taking hormones for hot flashes and other menopausal symptoms.
The researchers concluded that approximately 30 percent of women who stop taking hormones develop "bothersome symptoms that might persist."
Read Web MD's "A Fresh Look at Hormone Therapy."
Unexpected Symptoms
Blanche Turner, who will be 70 this year, was even more surprised than Bayer when she developed severe hot flashes and night sweats after stopping hormone therapy. That is because she had no symptoms when she started the treatment.
"Menopause was a breeze for me," she tells WebMD. "I had no symptoms whatsoever when I entered menopause and only a few noticeable symptoms later on."
Turner began hormone therapy when she was recruited for the WHI trial at age 60. Many postmenopausal women like her were included in the study, which was designed to determine if hormone therapy could help prevent heart disease, osteoporosis, and other conditions related to aging.
Linda Churchill, who is project coordinator for the WHI trial in Worcester, Mass., tells WebMD that it was common for older women who had no menopausal symptoms when they started the treatment to have them when they stopped it.
"It is like the clock was pushed back for them," she says. "We found that it usually took about six months for women to stop having hot flashes and other symptoms when they came off hormone therapy, but some women kept having them."
Surprisingly, a large percentage of the WHI participants who didn't even take hormones, but had instead taken a placebo pill, also developed some troubling symptoms when they stopped treatment.
Read Web MD's "Get Tips for Managing Hot Flashes."
Is It Menopause?
The finding in a new study that 40 percent of placebo users had moderate to severe menopausal symptoms raises questions about the basis of some of these symptoms, says researcher Diana Petitti, MD, of Kaiser Permanente Southern California.
"Which of these are true consequences of cessation of estrogen production by the ovary?" Petitti wrote in an editorial, published in the July 13 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association.
An expert panel convened by the National Institutes of Health recently concluded that many symptoms commonly attributed to menopause probably have nothing to do with ovarian aging. They include mood swings and depression, anxiety and irritability, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems, tiredness, and joint stiffness.
Petitti tells WebMD that a better understanding of female aging is needed to effectively treat its symptoms.
She says hormone therapy may be an appropriate choice for some menopause-related symptoms, such as hot flashes, night sweats, and vaginal dryness, but it is not the only choice.
"If we really understood what is happening as women age instead of blaming it all on menopause, women would be much better off," she says. "Clearly, there is much more going on."
Web Quiz: Test Your Menopause Smarts
Visit WebMD's Menopause Health Center
By Salynn Boyles, reviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MD
SOURCES: Wulf Utian, MD, PhD, president and founder, North American Menopause Society; professor of gynecology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland. Grady, D. Obstetrics and Gynecology, December 2003. Petitti, D.B. The Journal of the American Medical Association, July 13, 2005; vol 294: pp 245-246. Diana B. Petitti, MD, department of research and evaluation. Kaiser Permanente Southern California, Pasadena. Marilyn Bayer, Worcester, Mass. Blanche Turner, Mansfield Center, Conn. NIH panel report on menopause, March 2005.
An expert panel convened by the National Institutes of Health recently concluded that many symptoms commonly attributed to menopause probably have nothing to do with ovarian aging. They include mood swings and depression, anxiety and irritability, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems, tiredness, and joint stiffness.
i copied this, but wasn't sure where to post it. kind of interesting. but this paragraph really caught my eye. i couldnt believe they said this!
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
By Salynn Boyles
STORIES LINKS
•Menopause Symptoms Return When Hormones Stop•Web MD Commentary: The Dilemma of Menopause
Seventy-four-year-old Marilyn Bayer had been taking estrogen for almost 20 years when the Women's Health Initiative trial was abruptly halted three years ago.
The study was stopped because it found that hormone therapy did not prevent heart disease in older women. The study also showed an increased risk of strokes, blood clots, and breast cancer.
Bayer says she stopped hormone therapy "cold turkey" on the advice of her doctor following the publication of the study's initial results. But even though she was decades past menopause, her menopausal symptoms returned with a vengeance and they did not go away with time.
"The hot flashes were bothersome, but it was the night sweats and insomnia that really drove me crazy," she tells WebMD. "Suddenly, I had a hard time going to sleep and I couldn't stay asleep very long."
The Worcester, Mass., woman had had enough when her doctor put her back on estrogen last year, although at a much lower dosage than she had been on before.
The low-dose hormone therapy seems to be helping, but she is still troubled by the menopausal symptoms that she had hoped would by now be a distant memory.
"I thought that going off hormones wouldn't be that big of a deal for me, because I was past 70," she says. "But both my mother and grandmother had hot flashes until the day they died."
Read Web MD's "Get the Facts about Hormone Therapy."
'Absolutely Desperate'
It seems that Bayer's story is not that unusual. Although exact figures are hard to pin down, it is believed that millions of middle-aged and elderly women stopped hormone therapy soon after the WHI findings made headlines in July 2002.
Wulf Utian, MD, PhD, tells WebMD that he believes about a third of them later went back on some form of hormones -- usually lower doses than they were previously taking -- because their hot flashes and other symptoms returned. Utian is president of the North American Menopause Society and is a professor of gynecology at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University.
"I saw so many patients who were at wit's end when they stopped hormone therapy," he tells WebMD. "They were absolutely desperate."
A 2003 survey of women who stopped taking hormones following the halting of the WHI trial found that a quarter ended up back on the therapy due to a return of bothersome symptoms.
Women who had had hysterectomies or had been on hormone therapy for many years were the most likely to go back on the treatment, as were women who originally began taking hormones for hot flashes and other menopausal symptoms.
The researchers concluded that approximately 30 percent of women who stop taking hormones develop "bothersome symptoms that might persist."
Read Web MD's "A Fresh Look at Hormone Therapy."
Unexpected Symptoms
Blanche Turner, who will be 70 this year, was even more surprised than Bayer when she developed severe hot flashes and night sweats after stopping hormone therapy. That is because she had no symptoms when she started the treatment.
"Menopause was a breeze for me," she tells WebMD. "I had no symptoms whatsoever when I entered menopause and only a few noticeable symptoms later on."
Turner began hormone therapy when she was recruited for the WHI trial at age 60. Many postmenopausal women like her were included in the study, which was designed to determine if hormone therapy could help prevent heart disease, osteoporosis, and other conditions related to aging.
Linda Churchill, who is project coordinator for the WHI trial in Worcester, Mass., tells WebMD that it was common for older women who had no menopausal symptoms when they started the treatment to have them when they stopped it.
"It is like the clock was pushed back for them," she says. "We found that it usually took about six months for women to stop having hot flashes and other symptoms when they came off hormone therapy, but some women kept having them."
Surprisingly, a large percentage of the WHI participants who didn't even take hormones, but had instead taken a placebo pill, also developed some troubling symptoms when they stopped treatment.
Read Web MD's "Get Tips for Managing Hot Flashes."
Is It Menopause?
The finding in a new study that 40 percent of placebo users had moderate to severe menopausal symptoms raises questions about the basis of some of these symptoms, says researcher Diana Petitti, MD, of Kaiser Permanente Southern California.
"Which of these are true consequences of cessation of estrogen production by the ovary?" Petitti wrote in an editorial, published in the July 13 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association.
An expert panel convened by the National Institutes of Health recently concluded that many symptoms commonly attributed to menopause probably have nothing to do with ovarian aging. They include mood swings and depression, anxiety and irritability, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems, tiredness, and joint stiffness.
Petitti tells WebMD that a better understanding of female aging is needed to effectively treat its symptoms.
She says hormone therapy may be an appropriate choice for some menopause-related symptoms, such as hot flashes, night sweats, and vaginal dryness, but it is not the only choice.
"If we really understood what is happening as women age instead of blaming it all on menopause, women would be much better off," she says. "Clearly, there is much more going on."
Web Quiz: Test Your Menopause Smarts
Visit WebMD's Menopause Health Center
By Salynn Boyles, reviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MD
SOURCES: Wulf Utian, MD, PhD, president and founder, North American Menopause Society; professor of gynecology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland. Grady, D. Obstetrics and Gynecology, December 2003. Petitti, D.B. The Journal of the American Medical Association, July 13, 2005; vol 294: pp 245-246. Diana B. Petitti, MD, department of research and evaluation. Kaiser Permanente Southern California, Pasadena. Marilyn Bayer, Worcester, Mass. Blanche Turner, Mansfield Center, Conn. NIH panel report on menopause, March 2005.
An expert panel convened by the National Institutes of Health recently concluded that many symptoms commonly attributed to menopause probably have nothing to do with ovarian aging. They include mood swings and depression, anxiety and irritability, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems, tiredness, and joint stiffness.
i copied this, but wasn't sure where to post it. kind of interesting. but this paragraph really caught my eye. i couldnt believe they said this!
OMG!......I cant believe they said that either...when you have thousands of women that have never experienced any of these symptoms...anxiety, depression..etc. before this stage in their life. and now they want to say they have nothing to do with menopause? How did they come up with that solution? just because some of these women started having meno symptoms after coming off of HRT? I could see that..hot flashes returning and some other issues, but how did they reach the other conclusion? Mind Boggling...and just another set back for us...geeessshh
What??!! Peri-menopause does not cause anxiety, anger, elevated blood pressure, palipatations?! Then somebody better reserve me a padded room, because I guess I caught the crazies. I didn't have any of these things until my period started going haywire and I hit 53! I say bull ****! Aaahhh, now they've gone and made me cuss and I just swore to stop swearing!
KGBell
KGBell
We need to get the P-S Patrol after that so-called expert! Also, I would like to suggest that they try using women who HAD the symptoms before HRT, and their experiences, good and bad, of either staying on or going off. Doesn't seem like they were too worried about studying the gamut of women before coming to that ridiculous conclusion.
Does these study just make you want to slap someone? Sounds like everyone on that expert panel where idiot's!
The people who write articles like this are working for the drug companies, and they are trying to 'up the anxiety' levels of us gals in menopause so we TAKE their stupid drugs. I hope they all have a horrible menopause, and the men lose all of their testosterone.
Idiots.
Hugs,
Kleeo
Idiots.
Hugs,
Kleeo
I think it is horrible they say these things...and yes snowmoon it makes you wanna SLAP someone! What is this telling all the women who really have no clue about peri/meno and may never be lucky enough to find a place like PS, some may really go off the deep end, its hard enough to get through all of this with support and all the info you learn here.
weren't some women actually put in an insane asylum because of perimenopause before they actually found out what it was? we (women) have made some progress in alerting the medical society as well as the public about menopause but we still have a long way to go before it's taken seriously.
OH I want to slap one of those people who did the study also. Before I hit peri, I was the most relaxed, patient person you would find. I am still pretty relaxed but have my days of anxiety I never used to. (mostly before my period starts) Guess it is all in my head then according to these folks doing the study. GRRRRRR
I'm finally experienced enough, and old enough, to know that no matter how many experts agree on something it doesn't make it true.
If 50 million people say a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing.
If 50 million people say a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing.
I didn't have any Hot flashes Or Night sweats at all during my peri menopause.
Mine didn't start until i was 2 years post menopause! Doctor told me it was because my estrogen was in a good range.
One day my period just stopped & I never had another one.
Then after 2 years all this crap hit! I suffered this this stuff for 2 years.
I am now feeling almost like myself again.
I am now 4 years post menopause.
So it does get better!
Angel0508 <_<
Mine didn't start until i was 2 years post menopause! Doctor told me it was because my estrogen was in a good range.
One day my period just stopped & I never had another one.
Then after 2 years all this crap hit! I suffered this this stuff for 2 years.
I am now feeling almost like myself again.
I am now 4 years post menopause.
So it does get better!
Angel0508 <_<
A little late adding to this conversation but I did not even realize it because it is HOT in Blatimore- but I think I just started night sweats! Now I am really depressed. My main qusetion is this- does anyone like soy revival does it work- ii it worth $45.00 month? I am on antidepressanbts, anti-anxiety, sleep medications, do not want more drugs- if this will truly help my depression/anxiety w/o weight gain I will buy it- let me know what it did for you guys- because it is this or I am trying Lexapro next. Thanks guys!
QUOTE (kikan1 @ Jul 25 2005, 05:48 AM)
My main qusetion is this- does anyone like soy revival does it work- ii it worth $45.00 month? I will buy it- let me know what it did for you guys- because it is this or I am trying Lexapro next. Thanks guys!
Hi there kikan - Welcome to Power Surge... Sorry that you just started w/night sweats - that is the pitts!!! Like most of the peri-men.symptoms - it does go away one way or another- the question is...when
Regarding soy revival - there is a board involving that. Check out the Revival Soy message board - some woman have had success w/Revival - and others haven't. Each womans chemistry/body is different. Blessings,
Stacy
I just turned that magicla age of 50 in March. I hear horror stories and read things I am not prepared to deal with....(SEXUAL DISFUNCTION???!!!) I have a fabulous sex life with my husband and I don't wnat that to end. So far so good. Regular periods, no depression, no weight gain, B-U-T.............this summer I have started to experience night sweats. No big deal at first, I always had night sweats around the time of my period. But now, I am having to change P.J's in the night (last night was the first night I actually got smart and just laid them on the floor by the bed!) Oh! It felt like an uncomfortable surrender and now I must ask the question...is this the beginning?????????
Could be the beginning, or you could be one of the lucky few and experience very mild symptoms. This could be as bad as it gets for you.
If you're only experiencing night sweats at 50, I suggest you turn the computer off, and go have fabulous sex with your hubby!!
Be grateful!! ENJOY!!!!
If you're only experiencing night sweats at 50, I suggest you turn the computer off, and go have fabulous sex with your hubby!!
Be grateful!! ENJOY!!!!
hee hee!
ditto on what she said!!!
ditto on what she said!!!
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