Boone
Feb 7 2005, 01:23 PM
I can sure relate to the tired thing - and the feeling tired thing. I absolutely hate looking and feeling tired. I think inside it is a source of the peri anxiety I now have! I'm serious!! I just hate people being able to tell from my face that I don't feel as good as I used to.
Of course now that I have a full blown anxiety problem - I do like tired a lot! How ironic!!

Happy thoughts! This will get better with time!
joliejacq
Feb 7 2005, 06:26 PM
I agree, Boone!
It is DEMORALIZING when people tell us we look tired, or worn-out, or like we're "not well."
After awhile, you get so you wonder why bother to even put on makeup, or try to dress nicely?
People can be so rude! When people say this to me now, I always smile and say, "Really?? Gee, I feel GREAT!"
Juliann
Feb 7 2005, 10:02 PM
Thanks for the comments on the tired thing, the worst part of it all, was that I bought a cute new outfit, trendy, fit good, felt like I looked okay, then I get told you look soooo tired!!!! Darn.........I thought I was lookin Good.
Well, I figure anyone who deals with hot flashes, mood swings, night sweats, and anxiety, that could put together such a nice event, cook, and pay for it all, is worthy of some compliments, right??? I know you girls will agree. Plus my sister looked like she packed on some pounds since the last time I saw her, but I was nice enough not to mention that. Anyway, I am now dealing with the wedding, which is in a couple of weeks. Thanks for your good thoughts!!!!!
Love, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 8 2005, 05:44 PM
Hey Jules,
If your sister has put on a few pounds, and you were in a trendy new suit - do you think there might be a little envy there?
You put all this together, cooked, etc., got into a cute new outfit, all while dealing with peri? - yeah, you deserved some major compliments, Girl!
Well, have a wonderful, wonderful time at the wedding! I've been a "mother-of-the-bride," and did get a little nervous, but just had the best time. My daughter was soooo beautiful, as yours will be. It's a joyous event! Bring tissues, Mom!
Jacquie
Juliann
Feb 8 2005, 07:52 PM
Thanks Jacquie, your kind words mean so much. Her dress is "beautiful" and I know I will need tissues. Anyone who's ever gone through this process will agree that it is an emotional time, to see your baby leave the nest. We will become empty nesters now, ahhhhh, I think we will survive it though!!
I run a full time business, and have so little time as it is, these days its soooo hard to keep up with the demands on my life. I used to have energy to burn the candle at both ends and all that great cliche' stuff, but nowadays, I am dragging my butt around in a brain fog!!! I find lately, that once I get up and get going I am okay, but once I get home and sit down, baby its all over, I'm wiped out???? Does this ring a bell??? I wonder if this tiredness will ever go away???
Anyway, just venting my peri frustrations!!! Take care girl and thanks for the up lift. Jules
alice3
Feb 9 2005, 11:46 AM
Poor you Julianne. I miss going out to work but on the other hand I'm glad I don't...somedays it's too hard to push myself.
joliejacq
Feb 9 2005, 11:51 AM
Hey Jules,
That part about coming home and just falling over? Yeah, it rings a bell!

I remember one night fixing dinner for my family, and then while everyone ate, lying my head down on the table. My time was 6:00 p.m. - I would absolutely sink onto the couch, unable to move... Many was a night my husband made us sandwiches for supper! And I was NOT running a full-time business at the time - you must have amazing stamina!
Anyway, I'm back to being fine in the evenings - I expect you will, too, as things settle. A wedding is a big thing!
There is an emotional component to the wedding planning, along with the busy-ness. What helps is that you can have this "passage" - a feeling that your daughter is being launched into a happy new phase of her life. It brings a lot of satisfaction!
Hope the wedding is beautiful, that you savor your daughter's beauty, the good food and friends, and girl, kick your heels up and DANCE!!! (You can nap when you get home, LOL!)
alice3
Feb 9 2005, 11:53 AM
In your house did they sit waiting for you to get home from work to prep the evening meal?
joliejacq
Feb 9 2005, 12:41 PM
Hi,
No, I can't say that - I truly love to cook! It meant a lot to have everyone around the table. We'd been doing it for a long time (our daughter & her family lived with us 3 years while saving to buy a house).
But I began slowing down more and more, and others had to take over. Sometimes my son-in-law would grill for us all, or hub would do sandwiches (Jessie at the time did NOT cook, but she's learning now in her new house without Mama to do it!

)
They were all very gracious, and appreciative of being cooked for. Now they did have OTHER annoying traits (but I won't go into them here!).
The hard part since they've moved out is learning to cook for only 2 people. The fridge is full of leftovers all the time!
Juliann
Feb 10 2005, 12:59 AM
I just knew that all of you have been there.....the cooking, the motherly guilt if everyone isn't supplied with their needs, oh brother, its hard.
My schedule includes working many weeknights until sometimes 8:30pm or so. Once I get to work, the sounds, music (salon stuff), people talking, its all so noisey, once I leave work and sit in the silence of my car, thats when it all hits me, I'm so tired out.
For years I have been doing this time management thing, I cook all day one day a week. I make a couple nice sized meals and then the family can reheat things as needed, if I'm not their for dinnertime. It works well for me, as I cannot cook at 7 or 8pm. I would rather die!!!!!
My daughters situation is scary to me, the day after the wedding she is leaving with new military husband, to Tenessee. She has never lived away before, so I am praying that she will adjust to her new life, she's only 20. I think they are rushing kinda fast, but, heck what do I know???right???
Jacq: Thanks for your words of wisdom, I am trying to enjoy the moment, without freaking out. Yes they all have to learn and do for themselves, without us having to do everything for them. Geewiz!!!!
Love, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 10 2005, 11:33 AM
Hey Jules,
I think I'd have the same reaction to coming out of work and crashing in the car. Somehow we hold it together when in the "thick" of things, but after awhile having to be personable while dealing with people, hearing constant background music, etc., just begins to feel like an ASSAULT! Just wears us down.
You obviously do have the time management thing down well. You know, there are personal assistants who do that for bigwigs and make lots of money!
I can understand your concerns about your daughter. She is young, but love can carry us when homesickness kicks in. Thank goodness these days it's easy to pick up the phone, or email, or get on a plane if need be. She really is beginning an adventure!
Do you have other children still at home? Or will this be a truly "empty nest?" I have only one child, so having her move last October was pretty rough. Yet we talk on the phone every day - we just spoke this morning. They move on and away, but still remain close in our hearts (always)!
Jacquie
Juliann
Feb 11 2005, 12:15 AM
Hi Jacquie,
Your a great discerning spirit, I guess you learned along the way, especially with going through it with your daughter. I can see you've adjusted well, and it is very helpful to hear a balanced reply. I agree with you that "love" does help, and I also think that the time comes for each of us to grow-up and learn about life, thats why we get grey hair, lol.
Anyway, yes this will put us officially in the empty nest stage of life. My son is almost 25yrs old and is in the process of buying his first house. He has a girlfriend of 3yrs, and I think there may be an engagement in that relationship on the horizon (and wedding, more money, OMG)!!! He has been on his own for the past couple years and is doing very well. He went to college, has his degree and landed a very good job last year. My daughter on the other hand is flying by the seat of her pants right now, with no money, just lots of LOVE!!!! I sincerely hope they make it and I of course want to resist the urge to step in and fix things, slap me if I start doing that, okay????
I really want to start working on our life, (my hubby and I), we've had so much stuff going on here all the time, that now it will be just us, I think I'm gonna like it. I think some of the stress factors in our marriage (or any marriage) are now at a time to focus and get some new things accomplished, or kill each other???
With so much Peri it is difficult to be at an even keel, you know what I mean. So I'm glad to have you and the gals here, to listen, at these life defining moments. Its really a blessing. Ohhhh, and I could never cook for the bigwigs, but I wish I could have someone cook for me, budget gourmet~
Hugs, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 11 2005, 01:00 PM
Hey Jules,
Your attitude is so great!
I think you and hub will love re-connecting. Hub and I miss our daughter and her family very much at times, but we have been "dating" again - going out to eat, or just sitting at home watching a movie. Yes, we still bicker at times! But it's a special stage in our lives, as we're young enough to go out and do things, but old enough to enjoy the simplicity of a good meal right here at our own table!
It really is a time of change. Not just for you as a couple, but for you personally, Jules. It's YOUR time, to get to things put away long ago - a necessity while raising children.
I wish your daughter a very beautiful life - someone willing to "fly by the seat of her pants" for love seems endearing. Practical matters are important, but I have the sense she and her hub will learn that soon enough!
This will be a joyful wedding - bask in it, have fun!
Juliann
Feb 12 2005, 01:22 AM
Ahhhh Jacquie, your so good hearted, I bet your a great friend to have around, and you are so REAL!!! I love what you said about simplicity, its what wisdom at mid-life teaches. I remember the olden days when my mantra was COME ON FRIDAY NITE.....yeah. Now its tea time and fluffy pillows, under my acking feet. Well, I do it in style anyway.... so much for us huh????
I'm all for serenity and down home cookin!!!! Its not necessary to have all that mind boggling stimulation of crowds and stuff, I myself don't like big crowds of people. While I do hair, I listen to women after women, tell me all her problems, everyday, I spend all my reserve energy, caring for them and gently pointing out the positives in any given situation (I'm diffinitely underpaid, lol). I have had to learn, the hard way at times, how to turn it off, and turn on my family mode when I get home.
Your position and attitude is very refreshing, keep the home fires burning, and stay in love. Its a blessing to have the chance for this at our turn in life. So many are hurting out there for someone to even love, I feel for them. I know that I'm willing to take the ups and downs (many of them, infact) and be thankful. The rest is just the daily task at hand, whether children, health, or peri. Its all hard, isn't it??? You have a great day, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 12 2005, 02:00 PM
Hey Jules,
Yes, it IS hard - thank goodness there are the things that keep us going: family connections, tea time and pillows for our aches and pains as you point out (I've got a pillow tucked against my lower back at this moment!), and a million simple pleasures.
If the wedding is just about a week from now, things are apt to get VERY BUSY for you! Treat yourself with some moments of downtime and fun!
That "wedding week" was very special for my daughter and me. We shared some tears and frustrations, some real giggly laughs, some poignant moments, knowing things were about to change forever. And oh, when I saw my daughter look into her husband's eyes while reciting her vows......(sniff!)
When/if you have a moment this week, let us know what you're wearing to the wedding! I love little details like this! But if you're too busy, honey I UNDERSTAND!!
Enjoy!
Jacquie
PS: I've long believed that hairdressers make the best therapists!
Juliann
Feb 13 2005, 04:33 AM
Hi Jacquie,
Yes this is going to be the wedding week, the wedding is on the 20th (Sunday). Rehursal on Fridaynite. Things are going good, so far. Its surreal, I know its like you said, nothing will ever be the same. Its very emotion packed, plus I'm due to start my period on Monday (This is were peri is so much fun). I'm feelin very pms, good timing huh???
The Wedding will be at 4:30, so its considered an evening wedding. The colors are black and white. My dress is black velvet, floor lenth. Some light beading at the top, the dress flairs out at the bottom, very stylish, great shoes, black with some rhinestones. Black satin drape over my shoulders, with little silver sequins, so cute!!!! Daughters dress is "Cinderella, lots of tooling" pearls and sequins. The flowers will all be "Latin Lady Roses" white with red tips. Red candles on the center pieces.
We have a friend that will sing the song "I can only imagine", and then for the father daughter dance, it will be Celine Dion, "Because you love me".
This is more info then you probably ever need to know, but I am excited!!!! My only daughter getting married (you know what I mean), I am packing the tissue.
Jacq, thanks for keeping me centered and giving me some room to share this with someone, your swell, big hugs~Jules
Meg2820370
Feb 13 2005, 11:12 AM
Okay, I teared up at the part about the songs being played. This is going to be one fantastic, special day! Hope you all have the time of your lives!!!! I wish you many blessings!
boyzmom
Feb 13 2005, 11:46 AM
juliann~ it all sounds so beautiful. When all the stress & insanity of planning is over, it will be a wonderful day to remember. All the best to you & yours!
joliejacq
Feb 13 2005, 02:36 PM
Okay, I'm tearing up here, too! The songs are BEAUTIFUL!
Look for a tear or two in your hub's eyes (and your own) while he's dancing with "his girl."
You will be GORGEOUS in your black velvet - how elegant! And I love the idea of the satin drape - this is a beautiful look. Those two rich fabrics set each other off so well.
Adding that little shot of red to the black/white color scheme will give it real drama! What a lovely choice, to have the flowers with the red tips, and red candles in the centerpieces! Are you wearing a nice, deep-red lipstick? I have "discovered" red lipstick in the past year - could never wear it before, but I'd read in More magazine that it suits middle-aged women well. Tried it, and hub really likes it.
Well, it might be best that you are due for your period now, rather than next Friday! You can get the PMS over now, and hopefully ease up and be able to just feel GOOD for the wedding!
Have a GREAT week, dear Jules, as you do the hectic last-minute stuff. Get ready to kick up your heels and have fun! When things settle down, you can come and tell us how it went!
We'll be thinking of ya!
Jacquie
julief
Feb 13 2005, 06:13 PM
Hi Jules -
All the VERY VERY BEST to you and yours, what a creative colour scheme !
There can never be enough details about a life-changing event such as this.
Your outifit sounds divine.
Cant wait to hear more.
Blessings ..........
Julie x
Juliann
Feb 14 2005, 03:19 AM
You are all so sweet, thanks to each of you for your wonderful blessings and gestures. I'm so touched.... You will hear all about it, next week, I will post it all, brief summary, of course!!!! lol
Jacq.......Deep red lipstick????? hum, I never thought of it, thanks!!!! I will try some on this week, it might be what I need. Will be in touch, sending my love to you and yours, love, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 14 2005, 12:40 PM
We'll be waiting to hear!
Enjoy your BIG WEEK (well, get through it anyway, and then enjoy the WEDDING!).
Have fun!
leanne0721
Feb 18 2005, 01:46 PM
Oh my gosh......
What a JOY it was to hear of your daughters upcoming wedding!!!!
It all sounds so lovely!!! I hope you have the VERY best time!!!!
joliejacq
Feb 18 2005, 04:57 PM
leanne0721
Feb 18 2005, 08:23 PM
Neither can I jackie, LOL and I'm NERVOUS for her and I don't even know them!!
alice3
Feb 19 2005, 06:18 PM
Yes, the word WEDDING makes me feel nervous
I bet the photos will be wonderful.
My daughter has threatened me not to wear black, which is my favourite colour
We're all looking forward to hearing how it went. You'll be my role model Leanne!
Rebecca1955
Feb 21 2005, 12:07 AM
Hi Everyone,
Well this last 8 days has been a real experience. I'm 49 years of age and still have a regular cycle. So when last Friday I became a little dizzy and nauseated, and had a bad headache I thought I was coming down with something. As the days went on the headaches persisted and the nausea was awful. Wednesday morning I got into the shower and noticed a rash on the back of my arms, on my back and on my face. Yes I had waken up during the night with hot flashes but didn't realize then what it was. I went the entire week nauseated and with a headache. The rash didn't go away and so I decided to call my doctor. She said that I had a virus. Well after feeling so lousy all week and now through this weekend I thought this is not a virus. I started researching and I know these are all part of peri. So I've asked my daughter's ob/gyn that I trust, for a referral to a dotor that can help me. Or at least help me understand what is happening to me. I'm so happy that I found this website.
alice3
Feb 21 2005, 10:12 AM
I meant Juliann (oops)
boyzmom
Feb 21 2005, 11:10 AM
QUOTE (alice3 @ Feb 19 2005, 04:18 PM)
My daughter has threatened me not to wear black, which is my favourite colour
Me too alice. I'm wondering if I can get away with wearing black to my brother's wedding (2nd) next weekend. It's in a private home & most are doing after-5 to semi-formal. This probably isn't the thread to ask, but the wedding chat reminded me & with all this brain fog, I must seize the opportunity!!
alice3
Feb 21 2005, 11:17 AM
That sounds fine. You can wear some brighter accessories...I've seen an outfit in black with light spots and a toning jacket, which is rather nice ... and to bring the thread back...I always used to wear black before peri. My husband says I'll be a glam widow as I look good in black.
boyzmom
Feb 21 2005, 11:33 AM
yeah me too. I did black before peri. Also in keeping with the thread..I could be a "B" before peri

so I can't blame it all on hormones. In my own defense, it was mostly when I was pushed into it. Now I just don't have to be pushed too hard!!
alice3
Feb 21 2005, 11:44 AM
Me too! I unfortunately passed this delightful trait onto my daughter.
Some people at my old works thought I was a bit of a toughnut but that is far removed from the real me. I just once read that if you held someones gaze then they could find it intimidating. I practised it and it does work. You don't have to do anything at all (just try not to blink too often). I used to make sure I sat directly opposite our section boss in meetings and would never take my eyes off his. He was a sarcastic bully and it made him nervous. He was always quite wary with me.
Goodness knows what he ever said...too busy concentrating on trying not to blink!
boyzmom
Feb 21 2005, 12:04 PM
I guess it's a good thing I didn't have girls!
I find that I am much more aggressive with men yet have always preferred to deal with them in business rather than women. You can usually tell what men are thinking! But I loathe condescension from guys just because I'm a woman ... makes me that much more aggressive. I've always been very outspoken. Hubby's most well know phrase, "Aw come on, tell us how you really feel!! "
Juliann
Feb 23 2005, 02:57 AM

Hi Everyone, I promised you all that I would let you know about the wedding, and so I'm gonna try and paint the picture. The bride, she was beautiful (of course, shes my daughter, lol). She's a size 0, so the haulter beaded top, flowed into a total cinderalla filled with sequins and pearls. The tiara, filled with diamonds and pearls, with a flowing veil behind her pinned up curls. She looked like Barbie.
The flowers EVERYWHERE, were deep red roses. The Groom in white. I think everyone showed up, we had a full house of 105. The bridesmaids where in black satin, with all the hair in updo's (thanks to me, I did them all the morning of the wedding, and the bride). Sprinkling of hair glitter on everyone, my favorite touch!!!!
The vows were touching, but when the minister turned them around and introduced them as mr & mrs.....it hit me, OMG, my baby is a married women, just like that!!!!! She looked down at me, a tear in her eye, as we had that moment, it was soul to soul (at least to a peri nut like me it was)lol
I had my hair (shoulder length, all curled) and pinned up, so it was a kinda messy, but put together updo. Looked good, lots of compliments. Family and friends were all so kind and we had a great time. Oh, and I NEVER did start my period, so I was not exactly at my best, still the peri thing continues......
Okay, now for the hard part, they flew out this morning, I droped them at the airport. She's gone, all the way to TN. I cryed all day long. I lay on her bed, just to smell her pillow, and feel close to her. I drank from her favorite cup, and cryed until it hurt. Its been up and down emotionally all day. I know this will all subside, its probably a process, feels like someone died!!!!! Oh to be a mother, its so very hard sometimes, we love so much, don't we??
Its very strange how we grieve. I sit in her room and everything is soooo sentimental, wow!!!!
Okay, sorry that I got so emotional, I know many of you have been their, please feel free to share, it would be appreciated. Thanks for caring, and all your great imput, my love, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 24 2005, 11:20 PM
Oh, thank you so much for sharing your news about the wedding!!
It sounds like it was just beautiful. I love the color scheme, and your petite daughter must truly have looked like a "princess bride." Wow, she and the groom in white, and the bridesmaids in black - this must have been so dramatic! Bet the pics will be gorgeous...
I can not believe you did all the wedding party's hair that morning! Was it a good way to release some nervousness? I couldn't eat the day my daughter got married. It was a happy nervousness, as we love our son-in-law so much, and knew this was a good match. But I could barely comb my OWN hair, never mind take on the responsibility you did, LOL!
The pain of your daughter's leaving will ease. It becomes kind of bittersweet, really. There's the pride of seeing your child grown and making a living, loving a good man. Talking on the phone, you hear new strengths in their voices. But - it's never quite the same again. My daughter LOVES coming here - she just crashes on the couch like a teenager (she's 33, and the mother of 2 little girls under 5, and a 14-year-old stepson). But she goes "home" at the end of the visit. It's as it should be, but I do miss her very much.
I still love mothering her, even if from a distance at times. When she first moved away in her early 20's, I could NOT go into her room for awhile. Just kept the door closed. I couldn't hear any of the music she'd loved while in high school without crying. When I set the table, and saw "her" napkin and placemat, I wanted to bawl...
What will help you? Recognizing that no matter how old she gets, your girl is going to need her momma. When Jess is having a bad day, or has something wonderful to celebrate, who does she call? Me. It's such a blessing.
Thank goodness for phones and email. Can you imagine the days when people were going off like this, and it would take days and days even to get mail? In so many ways, this is a time when the relationship you have with your daughter can become deeper and richer.
And it is also truly YOUR time. After all the hard work of raising children! Consider what you've loved in the past, and really haven't had time for in those busy years. The wonderful thing about having grown kids is that this is a time of reclamation. We are growing and learning, as our children are, and we come together in a whole new way.
I'm so happy the wedding was beautiful, and wish your daughter a happy, happy lifetime with her "prince charming!"
Jacquie
Juliann
Feb 25 2005, 12:48 AM
Thanks Jacquie!!!!
You are so right to say it is all so "Bittersweet", thats exactly how we feel. Its like her "presence" has left us. I have kept her bedroom door closed this week. How strange that we mothers think the same thoughts. I look through old pic's and kinda take a memory lane ride. This week has been rough, I didn't cry as much today as yesterday, but I hurt, my heart is torn.
Then, today, I started my period, at last. Finally this old body relaxed enough, to let it happen, I hope I start to "feel" better.
When you talked about Jess, your daughter, coming to visit, but its never the same, OMG, that made me cry. I truly understand, thanks for sharing that with me. It will be stored in my mind. Your so special, I can tell. You care.
Well the upside, we do have great cell phone plans, and hopefully she will get her e-mail set up soon, so there is much room to still talk, almost everyday, as the gap widens and becomes more settled.
Your right that she will always need momma!!!
The house stays clean, the grocery bill was alot less this week, and I took her off the car insurance, big savings!!!! But still so sad.
Thanks good buddy, for sharing all this, you made my night!!!! Hugs to you!!!
Love, Jules
joliejacq
Feb 25 2005, 06:42 PM
Oh, Jules,
You made me smile with that line about the car insurance, and the grocery bill, and the clean house...
It's funny when our children are little, we dream of a day when we'll actually have a clean house! My daughter says this to me all the time, and I remind her: but your children will be gone, it will get very quiet. That's the bittersweet part!!!
Thank God for emails, as you say! Do you have a digital camera? My daughter and I send photos back and forth - it's fun to get some of the kids doing silly things (just got one of my 5-year-old granddaughter with a chin full of shaving cream, like her father!). And I sent her some of our last big snowstorm - we have beautiful trees here which she doesn't have in her new area, and she liked the reminder of "home." You and your daughter will have a wonderful time sending news back and forth. It opens up a whole new world, and you'll learn things about the area she's living in, the people there, and so on.
It really is a new beginning for the whole family, and when we get past our moments of sadness, there's some wonderful stuff about it! You'll be amazed at how quickly you get used to having no one to take care of but yourself (and hub)!!!
Spoil yourself, Jules!!!
Juliann
Feb 25 2005, 08:36 PM
Hey Jacquie!!!!!
Just before we started planning the Wedding, my daughter Christine bought me a book, she said you need to start reading this. The book was called "Mother of The Bride Survival Guide". I was reading the last chapter of the book, called learning to be a good Mother-In-Law. It said alot of the things you and I talked about, and especially about the first year of marriage, and the fact that we (as mothers) need to butt out and not try to smother them. Its true that during all the planning and wedding stuff we are busy with them, then they get married and seems like they don't even call for awhile. Now I understand that this is a time of bonding and getting their own new life patterns formed.
I'm totally cool today

I feel more at peace with the world (thanks to you!!!!) and I am gaining a grip on what just happened, lol.
I know that Gods timing is always right, because we have alot of things changing here at home that is for the better as well. My hubby has had a very long term (12yr) battle with chronic pain. He had cervical spine surgery back in August. Nothing seemed to help and we were feeling somewhat hopeless with the outcome of things. Then he started some great theraphy about 4 weeks ago, and he is changing by leaps these days (after 12 yrs, what do you know???). I think my daughter was a great pacifer for me during that time. Now he is suddenly feeling better, that means we can look forward to some kind of life, other than how its been for seemingly so long. Its all a blessing at once!!!!!
Anyway, your my angel, thanks for the talks, and I bet that it is just beautiful up their in Maine, wow!!!! Being a So. Cal girl, its hard for me to imagine. Do you live in a city area, or suburbs???
We've had our share of rain this season, and these Calif. people are complaining, the mold has taken over, cows are dying, houses are slipping, we can't handle much over here, lol. I myself was born in Buffalo, and I do enjoy some "weather" it adds charactor to life.
Hugs to you, and I will spoil myself, hummmm......Jules
joliejacq
Feb 26 2005, 10:25 AM
Wow, that is amazing about your husband! It is truly wonderful that he is getting some help with his back - that can be so debilitating. He must be VERY happy these days! And you're right about God's timing - this was exactly the same with us, when our daughter moved out. Some wonderful things began happening with my husband's new business, and he has never been more satisfied with his life.
Yes, being able to just go do things with your husband is a joy! Our daughter and her family lived with us 3 years (in an apartment space up over our garage) while they saved for a home, so we generally did things with them, or with the grandkids during that time. Now that they have moved, it amazes us to think we can just go away for the weekend if we want to! And now that my peri stuff is easing, there's actually energy to do that - it's the BEST feeling!
Yes, being a good in-law is important, as I think our new family members can feel extra-sensitive about whether they are respected. Isn't there a line in the Bible: "A man shall leave his mother...." My own MIL made things very hard for my hub and me in the early days of our marriage, and I vowed to NEVER do that to my son-in-law!
We live in a suburban area of Maine (just outside of Portland), although saying "suburbs" in Maine is kind of funny. There are woods and trees all around pretty much anywhere you go here, except right along the Southern-area coastline! Maine is a "quiet" state. Portland is a lovely city, almost no crime, clean and safe. We love it here.
When you say Southern California, I think of a place that is quite warm and dry. Is that right? I've never been to California, but would love to. Back in the 60's, EVERYONE wanted to go to California ("with flowers in our hair" LOL).
Well, if you come from Buffalo, you certainly understand about "weather!"

Don't they have like the highest snowfall of anywhere in the country each year? California must seem like a dream!
Well, enjoy the new changes in your life. What an adventure, huh?
alice3
Feb 26 2005, 12:27 PM
Has your daughter moved far from you Jacquie?
joliejacq
Feb 26 2005, 03:29 PM
Hi Alice,
She's moved an hour away - not like poor Jules, whose daughter has moved to a completely different part of the country! But given that we were in and out of each other's doorways for 3 years, it feels like a HUGE silence having her gone.
It's not that it's so far, but just overcoming the inertia to go see her is sometimes more than I can do - she's the same way, as for her it means carting child seats, diapers, extra clothes, etc. Remember those days?

And the weather has hindered us - it's been a brutal winter here this year!
Is your daughter planning to move after she marries? Is she your only child? Big changes when our little ones grow up, aren't there?
Juliann
Feb 27 2005, 12:56 AM
Hey Jacquie, Yes I'm adjusting the flowers in my hair right now, lol.
Alittle info on Southern Calif., we have beach weather, and inland weather. The beach is alittle cooler, and gets more overcast days. Inland, where we live is more desert climate. Most of the year is pretty nice, however the summers are on the hot side, and smoggy!!!! This season was more rain than usual. But we needed it.
I looked at my handy "Road Atlas" and your Portland area is coastal??? Are you near the beach??? Does it snow on that coastal area???? At any rate, it sounds just lovely and safe. I can't say as much for our neighborhood. We live in a nice area, but you have to keep things locked at all times. They stole our mail during the holidays, and many neighbors as well. We had to put locks on it. I have alarms on my home and business. It is always monitored!!!!! How sad???
Our home is about 35 min from Disneyland, bet you've heard of that place???? I have another bridal shower to attend tommorrow, it seems never ending, lol!!!
Daughters new hubby was called into the field until thursday, so she's all alone in her new place, she's trying to get the house in order. She's feeling the silence of being alone as well. We all miss each other, thats good. I like the fact that she is having to handle some real life situations, without me trying to fix it all the time. I can sit back and just resist the urge to jump on a plane and go help her. I prayed last night, that I don't hinder Gods ability to teach her, its new strength she will gain (as you have said).
Hey, do they have Star Bucks up there??? We have them on every corner here. I am getting addicted, lol.
You are sounding wonderfully adjusted to your new life, I'm glad that your peri is doing better, you have been through alot, yet your inner beauty shines through on these precious letters. All the ladies here benefit from your wisdom!!!! I know that I have.
Love Ya, Jules
alice3
Feb 27 2005, 02:16 PM
Bet your daughter will feel homesick then Juliann. We have Starbucks over here in the UK too (in the cities). I had one when in Bath but found it was all froth and frankly preferred good old Marks and Spencer's version.. with a slice of cake YUM.
Yes my daughter is an only one too JJ but lives in town. We don't see or hear as much of her since she got a new job (which is more demanding and longer hours). She would ring about 4 times each day then but now we speak maybe twice a day on the phone and see her a few times in the week.
Well shocks, today we went to the garden centre, then round a little shopping town and I bought the wedding shoes and handbag (cream) Then...and a biggie for me ..had Sunday lunch out (roast beef and yorkshire pud). It was nice to be "the old me" and I'm determined to make it a regular again...life is too short!
joliejacq
Feb 27 2005, 09:10 PM
HURRAH, ALICE!
Dinner out, and shopping - a good day!!! Perhaps you are turning the corner? I don't know, Alice, I'm feeling better these days, more my old self.... Maybe we really will get through - no, get OVER, this! I'm happy you had such a good day, and hope you have LOTS more.
Well, Yorkshire pudding - I've read about this for years, and do not have a clue what it IS. What IS it?
Hey Jules,
Thanks so much for your kind words. I love posting here and receiving your posts! 2 different coasts, but much in common!
I'm intrigued by the desert. My hub spent a week in New Mexico and Arizona last year, and just loved it, said he felt something very spiritual in the air there. The landscape is beautiful! That whole part of the country feels so utterly different from New England.

One day hub and I want to go take some time to explore the area. What are the homes like where you live? As you can guess, our house is Cape Cod style!
Living so close to Disneyland, have you been a gazillion times? Do you have the experience that people visit you and Disneyland at the same time? LOL (I have a cousin who lives in Florida, and she talks about this!)
I live in the town of Gorham, about 10 miles outside of Portland. Our big claim to fame this year is that Julie from the last "Survivor" show is from Gorham, LOL - apparently she and the show's host Jeff are having a big love affair. Also, Trading Spaces shot a couple homes here 2 years ago (my daughter saw Paige and Vern at one of the restaurants in Portland). We are about 20 minutes from the ocean, which we don't often swim in. The Atlantic is WAAAAYYYY colder than the Pacific, you probably know! But the beaches are so lovely, we go and loll about on beach chairs, read novels, and occasionally wet our toes.
Oh, yes, it snows on the coastal area... They are predicting we'll get another FOOT of snow Monday night into Tuesday.

Don't know where we'll put it! Feels like we've been digging out continuously since early January! But yes, the good thing is that it's very safe here. Our crime rates in Maine are low - it's too cold to go out and do bad things! I can feel for you having to keep things locked up tight. That would be upsetting.
Sounds like your daughter is doing well with keeping the home fires burning while her hub is away. She must feel lonely. Are there other young women in the area? Bet she'll connect relatively quickly with someone close by - those friendships become so important. Oh, you must just feel like jumping on a plane!

I'm sure she's comforted by her phone/email conversations with you.
We do have Starbucks here, but not many stores. One in Portland, and one at the Maine Mall in South Portland. There may be others, but they are definitely not on every street corner as on the West coast! I love their coffee, but actually order my coffee from another California company, The Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Have you heard of it? They neutralize the acid in all of their decafs, which is necessary for me as I have a sensitive bladder. At the same time, it doesn't seem to affect the taste - still nice and rich. Yum! We are getting more and more local coffeehouses, a great new one here just started by a guy from Seattle (of course!).
Well, I didn't mean to write a whole book! Sorry!
Hope you've had a nice (quiet!) weekend, and will have a super week ahead!
Love,
Jacquie
shark1962
Feb 27 2005, 10:21 PM
Peri-menopause hit without a warning. I am only starting to realize after finding this site, what my body has been going through for the last 2 years. Starting with a feeling of sadness and doom and gloom. (never felt that way before). Then the crazy heavy periods. Then anxiety, insomnia, dizzy spells and fog. The the joints and muscles on my body started to ache and pain for no reason at all. Went for every test imaginable to man and you guessed it.... all normal. I've been to the doctors office about 10 times in the last year and probably only 10 times total in my whole life. She has never ever mentioned peri-menopause. I have put the pieces together myself and after finding this site, confirmed my suspisions. Doc tells me I have fibromyalgia - all the symptoms seem to be the same as peri????
Is this crazy or what. Anyone else given this diagnosis?
Juliann
Feb 27 2005, 10:27 PM
Hi Alice, please do tell us what exactly yorkshire pudding is??? I'm glad that you were able to get out and about, and feel better, great for you!!!! Is your daughter also getting married???
Hey Jacquie, So the claim to fame is "Survivior", well I will be honest, I started watching it when it first came on, and was hooked for a while. Then had to work, to many thursday's. Speaking of that show, one of the Surviors, a gal named Dena, she was a DA, was one of my hair clients neighbors!!!!! Oh yes, Riverside CA has some claim to fame also!!!!lol
I LOVE Cape Cod, the look is so "old world", thats really neat. Our home is built on a slab, frame, 2 story, tile roof. Basic Calif, but I don't have any palm tree's in my front yard. They do line the streets here, very cool.
As for Disneyland, its very built up now, they've added more and more stuff, lots to do, and money to burn over there. I haven't been in a long while. Since I rounded the "bend", I haven't really liked large crowds and endless lines. Its like I'd rather be at the beach, or someplace soothing. We love a place called Pismo Beach, its about 5 hrs up the coast, its our favorite get-away. ITs a clam Chowder town, full of little shops and good eats!!!! We like the pleasant people and always have a great relaxing time.
Yes I have heard of Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, their is one in the next town, but not here in Riverside, as yet. For some reason, Star Bucks rules here. My daughter worked for them for a while, thats the only reason I started going, then the addiction kicked in.....oh well.
I had another bridal shower today, more games!!!!!! The new bride is a gal I work with, she's been with this guy for maybe 6yrs???? They are finally gonna tie the knot. I'm happy that they are. They already live together and each has a child from a previous relationship. She was pregnant, but lost the baby at about 3mo. last week. It was sad!!!!
Getting out and mingling helps my heart, a good laugh!!!!! I have such great lady friends, I include you all, in this group as well!!!!! Well, I'm sorry you have more snow coming, keep warm and cozy!!!! Do you ever journal??? I like keeping a diary, and then looking back over time, its amazing. I'm also knitting scarves, the cute fluffy ones, don't ask me why, but its something to do. lol.
Lots of Love, Jules
alice3
Feb 28 2005, 08:08 AM
I've posted Yorks puds on Place to start your day.
How lucky you are having female company Juliann. That's what I miss about working out of the home. With women friends you can talk about anything. Men really aren't interested! How come a woman with an opinion is a nag!
Juliann
Feb 28 2005, 01:45 PM
Hi Alice, thanks for the Yorks info, I will look it up. And yes it is great being in the business I am in (Salon), as I do interact with lots of females. I have many friends of all ages, but especially enjoy those that are older and yes wiser!!!! lol
As much as I like being around people, I do get my fill, and need to retreat to some solitude time. Now that daughter is gone, I am more alone here at the house, and its really going to be okay, I think. I had a time in the past, where my anxiety stopped me from so much of life, it was a difficult time, healing took very long to come, but it did at last. Now with Peri symtoms coming and going, its nice to be able to talk with others that are having these same issues.
Hey Shark, Welcome....... I think you stumbled onto a very informative site here. You did not mention your age, but I think its safe to bet that you are experincing these same issues. It all does seem to just start happening one day, and life is just not the same anymore. I've never had such crazy symtoms as in the past couple of years, seriously, I was overwelmed with it. My heart goes out to you!!! Just take it one day at a time, and we will get through it. Jules
joliejacq
Mar 1 2005, 12:24 AM
Shark,
I agree with Jules about the similarity of symptoms so many of us feel. You're right that they seem to have some of the same qualities as fibromyalgia. I thought I had that (or CFIDS) for awhile there. Saw a neurologist, who ruled out fibromyalgia. It's really a matter of getting up each morning and checking in with your body to see what the heck's going on! Very tiring. Things have eased up for me in the past couple of months, and I'm praying this is a sign that the peri-nonsense is finally coming to an end. We'll see - I may be sobbing to you all tomorrow!
Yes Alice,
Thanks for the pudding info! I'll go check it out. It sounds so elegant, "Yorkshire Pudding...."
Jules,
We have another "wedding" link going on in the "Somebody Reassure Me" thread (that's in the Am I Losing My Mind? forum). Alice and Finola both have daughters getting married this year, too! So we've been chatting about their upcoming plans. Any advice for them?

Well, after posting this, I'm going to go look up Riverside and Pismo Beach. Your home sounds beautiful - I love that tiled roof look. Why did you go from Buffalo to California? Was it a bit of a culture shock? (Bustle to laid-back?)
Yes, I do some journaling, tho' forget to do it some days. You are so right - going back and rereading is quite an experience! I've been trying to write down some of the adorable things the grandchildren say, because I hate the thought that I will forget them.
You're knitting scarves? Would you ever have the weather to wear them?

This is satisfactory though, isn't it - craft projects. When so much in the world (and in our own bodies, LOL) feels unsettled, just to make something beautiful and see it completed - such a nice sense of accomplishment!
I agree with Alice that it's wonderful that you've got that female connection. I haven't many friends right here in this town, but do belong to a Red Hatter's group that meets monthly, and is great fun! We dine and have games, etc. Next meeting we're going bowling, which I haven't done since age 17!!! One of our members is 76, and is the Senior Bowling Champ in Maine. This gal is full of life, so IMPRESSIVE!
Have a great night!
Jacquie
Juliann
Mar 1 2005, 03:39 AM
Hey Jacquie,
So glad that you posted today, it always make's my day, to come here and just gab, lol. So much the better for finding people like you here. Now I must tell you that the crazy scarf thing is REALLY in right now. Those fluffy ones, they are made out of "Fun Fur". Kinda difficult to knitt or crochet, as the yarn is really fluffy and hard to see what your doin, but I got it down, lol. Your so right, it helps, and is therapeutic!!! I taught my daughter how, and now that she's been alone this past week, her first venture was to get some needles and yarn. Its hours of busy work.
Anyway, we moved from Buffalo when I was 5yrs old, so I didn't really have a choice in the matter. I have faint memories, but do remember the snow!!!!
So you belong to a "Red Hatters" group, thats really cool, we have that here also, I've heard of it. Its a big plus to just get out and connect with others, lifts you up a notch. Before I bought the salon, my life was really rather boring. I felt so unconnected. Now its very different, I have many people in my life. Some are great, others are a headache, but its been busy. I don't know that I like it this busy, well simply put, there's no pleasing me, huh????
Having a business is like having another child, its very time consuming and its never ending with things that have to be done, some days I just want to run away from the responsibilities of it. Other days I bask in the fun of it. Kinda like life???
You sound happy that the peri thing seems better, are you still having periods?? My other question is are you taking anything that seemed to help???
Since this past year was totally stressful, I wonder how much is gonna change now that many things are changing for the better. My emotions and body felt like it was run over by a truck, twice!!!! I take it day by day, cause I know that things do get better, and things do go crazy, right???
Good luck on the bowling, remember to keep that elbow locked, chin up!
Hugs~Jules