Take care,
I for one believe there are different causes of panic attacks. I never had one until 9 years ago....was watching TV....then quick suddenly....I went completely numb with pins and needles from head to toe!! Feelings of dread were unreal!! I was never the fearful type! Anyhow I was rushed to the hospital...couldn't breath, etc....told I was having a panic attack!! *Sheesh* I argued with them....walked out! A couple of weeks later....happened again!! *MAN* Talk about frustration!! Phooey...on this was my first reaction!! What did these doctors know anyhow??!!To make a long story short....years later....with much reading and studying I discovered that indeed I was having Panic Attacks!! Quite different than the ordinary Anxiety Attacks.Learned that they were triggered by hormonal fluctuations that caused adrenaline rushes which caused my whole body to not only quiver....but to have emotional and physical affects!! ARGH!!Needless to say....it was very unpleasant!! A certain amount of deep breathing....relaxation techniques, etc. helped....but not permantly!!
I definitly agree with you that fear is at the bottom of SOME Panic Attacks.....however there can still be a trigger to cause this fear to explode....for lack of a better way of putting it!! It's SUDDEN...and can be disabling!!
In some individuals....the cause is chemical imbalances! For me it was hormonal imbalances....sigh!! Now that my hormones are not fluctuating as much....the attacks are less and less!!
Now....I believe not everyone experiences this as I have described....BUT....in all fairlness to some of us....there are many out there who do. Counselling and therapy definitly help....some need medications as well! It's important to know how to treat it until the individual regains control in there lives.You have found your way.....God Love Ya....but eveyone is different....and we have to explore all avenues.
I really appreciate your input....cause some quickly go for the quick fix...if you will....however...FEAR...can also be the RESULT of a Panic Attack....not ALWAYS the cause.
Thanks again for sharing.....as everyone is different.....with different causes and and solutions.GodSpeed.....(((Hugs)))
Panic Attacks s*ck....to say the least!! They are scary....terrifying and darn right MISERABLE!! What I hate the most is the feeling of loosing control! I've always been an "in" control type of Gal!! :cool: Now I get the chest pains too!! You betcha!!! I have a hiatal hernia..... that sucker flares up when the panics hit!! I also have hypertension.....and always....always.....thought the heart was involved!!! Problem is....still do....sometimes! But it's getting better!! What helps me the most is KNOWING what is goin on!! Educating myself.....coming here.....talking.....asking questions, like you are and OH YA.....keeping that Xanax close by!!
It does help!!I can be as negative as the next guy or gal.....but TALKING it out is my BIGGEST medicine! Then I find out there are other gals who are going through it too, etc.,etc.
Poor Doctors were getting so tired of seeing me in ER every other week.........not to mention......I was gettin awfully tired of going there!! Grrr!! Isn't it wierd tho' when the attacks happen so sudden.....like you and I, just minding our own business.....watching TV.....then Whamm!! Jeeze!! No wonder we think what we think............crazy things like a HEART ATTACK!!! **Bleck**
Just keep coming here.....talk about it.....share with others who need to hear what you have to say!! (((You'd be surprized how that alone can help.......just knowing you're not alone and are helping someone else)))Take care;)Godspeed and Hugs from a Canadian GalNancy
However, when the panic hit again last August, hormones didn't fix the problem. I guess meno is a lot tougher than just a regular imbalance, who knows? Anyway - this has been a battle - am seeing a psychiatrist and am on meds - will try the progesterone creams since none of the other HRT has worked.
Having you describe what it felt like was great - so many people don't have a clue what we are talking about or the fear that accompanies an attack.
I'm right where you are. My panic attack hit me (right out of the blue) 31/2 years ago while I was driving. Since then i've lived in a constant state of high anxiety. I would love to know how a person can resist the fear when I get blind sided by a wave of dizziness and heart palps that will send me into a state of panic. This dizziness can last all day, and no amount of deep breathing will help. I've tried every herb/vitamin under the sun and nothing works except xanax, but my doctor hates scripting this so I hold out as long as I can before taking one.I think my doctor would be more reseptive to a beta blocker but heart meds scare me. Do any of you ladies use a beta blocker....and do they work? I hate to jump from the frying pan...right into the fire. Any input will be appreciated. :confused:
If I am understanding you, you had panic attacks before and then they went away, or you got them under control, and then yesterday you had another. If you are asking if they come back, yes they do. I started them in 1985, I got them under control, and now they are back full force. The shakiness this morning could be caused by your taking Xanax if you haven't taken it for a while. Even though I have taken Xanax on an almost daily basis since 1985, I started taking more of it when the panic attacks returned. And then I started waking up with internal shakiness that didn't go away until I took Xanax. I contacted my doctor and he felt the internal shakiness was menopausal. I have an appointment with my OB-Gyn to discuss hormones, but I am definitely leaning towards a natural remedy for this.
If you are under more stress than usual, that could trigger your attacks again. I have my own gift basket business that I am in partnership with my daughter with. She just had a baby and I am running the business pretty much alone right now, so my stress level has increased, and so have my panic attacks.
You might want to check with your doctor to let him know what is happening to you. It would probably reassure you.
Please keep us posted.Sandi
Sheree.....it's really hard to figger out Panic Attacks.....in fact.....I don't bother anymore! Use to drive myself nuts trying!! If they are triggered by hormone fluctuations.....they WILL hit....when THEY want....unless you are taking some VERY good form of HRT, etc!! The Premarin and Provera made mine worse as time passed!! It was not a good combination or type!! The beta blocker is used for different things not just for the heart as Sandi mentioned!!
I've gone for months without an attack.....then WHAMMO!! Out of the blue.....another attack!! *Sheesh* It can really catch you off guard.....'cause you think it's all over!
Menopause is like that.....very unpredictable!! I think I'm like Kari.....most of my symptoms started AFTER the periods stopped!! It's been up and down for a year now!! However it is getting better!! The Panic Attacks are not as frequent and even though they scare the sox off me (which is normal...that's why they are called PANIC)....It is getting easier!Like I said I keep the Xanax close by.....go easy on myself......I tell myself it's OK.....it will get better....I'm NOT crazy, etc., etc. I think it's important to LOVE ourselves.....and to remember that ESPECIALLY when a Panic Attack Hits!! :smile:
(((Luv and Hugs to you all)))Nancy
Ignore you? NO WAY! We're all in this together. I know exactly how you are feeling. I've been to the ER twice....thought I was having a heart attack. The first time they told me it was probably acid reflux, the second time they just looked at me like I was an alien and said " it's not your heart", "see ya". I swore to my husband that the next time I had chest pains....i'd stay home and die. No one even mentioned panic to me. I was just lucky enough to stumble onto Power Surge and find other women just like me. Snowbird was one of the first to come to my rescue, and I will be forever grateful to her.
I keep my xanax handy and take it when i'm really in a bad way. The rest of the time I walk around like a walking....talking....bowl of jello! That's why it's so important to post about our symptoms.....someone might come up with something that works that we can share. Also, just knowing that others are going through this....and understand completely! :)
You brought tears to my eyes!! My dear friend....you have gone through so much.......what can I say)))))"Your Faith in God is indeed STRONG!!" That is evident....He has gotten me through many tough times too! Your terrific husband, he's a GEM, to be sure!!
It can really....really....s*ck when these things happen during this time of life! I have lost in the last 2-3 years a total of 3 close friends....another is fighting for her life (cervical cancer)!! I've been sick with thyroid disease.....now on thyroid meds, etc., etc. When a woman is going through Menopause.....on top of all this other stuff.........sometimes the only thing we have to hang on to is our Faith!!
You are an INSPIRATION to us all my good friend......your story MOVED me to say the least!!This is a wonderful site......I have never found or received any negative feedback from anyone!! Only support.....compassion and outreach!! That is why I come here!!! Dearest (Alice)....MaryO....and all the others....literally reached out, held my hand in ways I find hard to put into words that would do justice to the Power-Surge Site!!
Keep posting Sheree.....when you can! We'll always be here!!God Love You and take care)))))Nancy
Ann....My Dear Meno-Bud!!!God Luv You!!You'll be fine....as Kari just said....we know EXACTLY what you are going through!! It's tough!! When the heart flip flops....sheesh!! Darn right scary! We all HATE it....my dear friend......you're not alone!! Internal shakes to me are the worst!! It's sooooooooo darn hard to explain to someone what it feels like! Especially if you're in ER.....Man.....you know when you're being humored or "patted on the head!" Grrrrr!!
Gosh Kari....you too??!! My last trip to ER.....I told hubby.....THAT'S IT...."next time, just throw a blanket over me and let me die!! This Gal isn't going back!!!"
Boy was I ticked!!!! ![]()
Well Ann.....you're among friends.....do what I do....keep posting.....keep whining, if that's what it takes.....you don't have to go it alone......none of us do!!!((((We all love you and we're all here for you))))
(((Hugs)))Nancy
I just now got over a terrible panic attack - it has been gone for not more than 15 minutes. I have been having them regularly for days now. I beg my hubby to call 911but he just tries to calm me down until they are over. But he works all night and I am home alone. And they love to hit me when no one is here. I have made him run home twice lately. My daughter lives very close but I am afraid to get in the car and drive to her house because I keep thinking if it is a heart attack I would be alone in the car with no one to help me. She can't keep running to my house - she just had a baby. Tonight I took my Xanax and while I waited for it to work - which seemed like forever, I splashed my face and neck with water and then sat with the fan blasting on me. It distracted me from actually feeling all of those horrid tinglings, etc. and got me thru until the Xanax kicked in. Although I sat there with the phone clutched in my hand.
One of my biggest fears when I get these is, what if it is a heart attack this time, and I am sitting here thinking it is a panic attack. If they feel the same, how do you actually know not to call 911 and just wait it out?
Thank you all for being here and for sharing.Sandi
Hey Jeanne.....My Meno-Sistah!!I've ALREADY had a VERY....VERY...looooonng talk with Him about it........still waiting for the "oppppps" answer!! Don't think I'll get it though......"PERIODS must STOP sometime.......I know.....I know......it's those DANG extras.....like "Hot Flashes, Mood Swings, Insomnia......and...LESSEE!! Hmmm!! I'm missin something here......thinking.....thinking! Oh Yeah!! "PANIC ATTACKS!!!" Really....where's my head this morning!! Think I left it in bed!! **Squawk** ![]()
Luv Ya my Meno-bud))(((Hugs from a Canadian Gal)))Nanc
Love and hugs and thanks to all :cheesy: Ann
How does everyone deal with how tired they are from taking all of this Xanax? Geez ..... I have my own gift basket business and am busier than heck. My daughter (and biz partner) just had a baby, so she is off for a while. I am just dragging myself around today.
Also, my most important question of the day, how does everyone get those faces on their posts. :-)
Sandi
Glad to hear that some of you had a nice restful night. I think this constant anxiety/panic can create such fatigue that we eventually crash once in a while.
Sanmarie---I don't know what dose of xanax you take, but to keep myself from being snowed under....I break my pill into thirds and take one every few hours.....this way i'm still taking the prescribed dose but keeping the tiredness at bay. I'm considering asking my doctor about Tranxene since it has a longer half life. Heres another tip.....If you want the xanax to get into your system quicker....chew it up. It is very bitter but starts working sooner.
Carol, you are so right. Sharing our troubles with each other is a real spirit lifter. I don't know where i'd be without the help and compassion from you gals.
Sandi--When you post, look to your left where it say's "Emoticons are enabled". (make sure you checked "Do you wish to enable emoticons in this post") Click on...and it gives you a whole list of faces to use. Example.....if you want the big grin.....type in ...colon...biggrin...colon, with no spaces. MaryO helped me with this. :biggrin:
Thanks for the info on the icons :smile:Sandi
Thanks for that Jeanne! I am so sorry that you have had a heart attack, but it is good for us that you can help us to see the difference. It is one of the scariest things about a panic attack - is this going to kill me? Is this my heart?? Thanks for that insight, friend.
I hope one day very soon we will all be able to say, "Thank God I feel better!" I'm actually counting the days.
The sad part for me is that other people are experiencing this horrid thing as well.
Thank you Dearest for doing this board.
Hugs, big bear hugs, and lots of love.Sandi
Love and hugs
Bronwyn Fox has been a guest in Power Surge a few times. You will find her transcripts in the Library. They're well worth the time to read because her suggestions are excellent. There's also a link to her book, which I highly recommend. Bronwyn is also Power Surge's Panic / Anxiety Expert -- an area you may wish to visit and ask her any question as well as read archives of her answers to others' questions.
Browyn Fox suffered with panic disorder/Agoraphobia for four years. Through her own research, she developed techniques that led to her own cure 11 years ago and went on to become a major force in educating the Australian mental health system to better recognize and treat anxiety disorders. She co-founded and became CEO of the Panic Anxiety Disorder Association in Australia and conducts workshops for those suffering from anxiety disorders.
Bronwyn is the author of the book, Power Over Panic: Freedom From Panic / Anxiety Related Disorders.
Dissociation
1. Everything is unreal
Q. I do have panic attacks, but before they start I get a feeling that nothing is real, including myself. I sometimes feel as if I am standing behind myself and it is really frightening. I can also feel really dizzy which only makes everything worse. I do panic, but I panic as a result of these feelings. No one seems to understand what I am saying. They think that it is all part of the attack, but it isn't. Stop these unreal feelings and I won't panic.
2. Triggering panic attacks
Q. I am someone who suffers from panic disorder and generalised anxiety. Your theories on dissociation and how these detached/spacey feelings trigger panic attacks really struck a chord with me. Dissociation is one of my biggest symptoms. I am currently taking a drug to control my panic attacks. In general I am more relaxed, however, it does nothing to help the dissociation. In fact, I would say the drug makes me feel more spacey/bewildered and detached. Now that I realize this is a major panic trigger, is there anything I can do or tell myself while in this state to halt my panic attacks?
A. These are the Derealisation and depersonalisation symptoms. Derealisation is the experience of 'that nothing seems real' and depersonalisation is the experience of feeling 'detached from the body'. They are common panic attacks symptoms and are part of the range of sensations relating to the ability to dissociate.
We have found over the years, dissociation is playing a major role in spontaneous panic attacks. Those of us who do dissociate have had this ability since we were children, although many of us have forgotten we did it as children. It seems some of us 'grow' out of it but when as adults we experience major stress and/or are not eating or sleeping properly, this ability is activated once again.
The research on dissociation is now speculating that some people with panic disorder, dissociate first and then panic or become anxious. A theory we are in complete agreement with.
The ability to dissociate is on a scale 0- 10.
0 = people who have no dissociative experiences to 10 which maybe indicative of Dissociative Identity Disorder. People with Panic Disorder don't have DID and measure about 4 -5 on the scale. Other words for Dissociation, include depersonalisation, Derealisation, self hypnotic trance, altered states of consciousness. When people dissociate they get a variety of symptoms, including 'feeling detached from the body - out of body' experiences', not feeling real, seeing their environment through a white or a grey mist, stationary objects may appear to move, tunnel vision, sometimes they may feel an electric shock move through the body, or a 'whoosh' of intense burning heat, a burning tingling heat or a feeling of intense energy moving through the body. It is quite easy to induce this state in people who are vulnerable to them.
The major way we do this during the day is by staring. Either out of a window, at the wall, TV, computer, book etc. Staring can induce a trance state and most of the dissociative 'symptoms' show the trance states we can reach are quite deep. Fluorescent lighting also appears to be a cause for the trance states. The research on nocturnal panic attacks shows they happen on the change of consciousness from dreaming sleep to deep sleep or deep sleep back to dreaming. This is similar to the change in consciousness when we induce the trance states during the day.
The essence of all of this is to be (a) aware of how we can induce these states during our normal daily activity and why they happen at night, and (
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We teach people why there is nothing to be frightened of by this ability and that they are not going insane. After all, we as individuals are proof we don't go insane. If that was going to happen it would have happened to us a along time ago!
We also teach people to become aware on a moment to moment basis if they need to, of how it happens and how it can happen so easily. When people can see this, we teach them to work with their thinking and not buy into the panic/anxiety thoughts, 'What's happening to me'...'I'm going insane' etc. We all put ourselves under more stress by the way we think about our symptoms. This only makes us more vulnerable to it happening. The harder we resist it, the worse it becomes.
Meditation is also a great way to desensitise ourselves to the various trance states plus a great way to practice non resistance and working with thoughts.
Bronwyn's last transcript can be found by clicking here.
You can also ask her questions directly by visiting her Ask The Panic-Anxiety Expert area and posting a question to her to which you will receive a response via E.mail and will be posted on her area as well. You can also look through her archived answers to read other questions and answers from people suffering from panic attacks/disorder and anxiety.
Dearest
You'll also find transcripts of Dr. Stuart Shipko interesting as well. Both perhaps coming from a different angle with different methods of treatment, but both extremely helpful in the area of panic disorder and anxiety /stress.
"Ways to get hormones back to normal??!!" The million dollar question;)I tried everything!! HRT...herbs...soy, etc.,etc. nothing worked for me:angry:Don't get me wrong...I was a tuff case!! My body had it's own agenda!! Thing is, if anyone had the magic cure....errr....answer, to get the hormones back to norm.....they'd be wealthy, indeed;)![]()
The hormones are constantly fluctuating, all one can do, is try to control this, (to a point) the best they can!! Some gals do find, certain bio-identical hormone combo's helpful....some go for the herbs....others try soy products, like "Revival."My suggestion is to keep reading, especially the Recommendations, Dearest has provided for us, and the threads/boards that specialize in different supplements and ideas!!As for me, since I can't take anything to control the hormones....all I rely on is prescribed meds., from my doctor, such as Xanax, a mild tranquilizer!! I take this only as needed for those tuff days, to help regain some control back in my life.
I'm glad you've found us....there are many answers here, along with understanding compassionate gals, who can share and help answer some of those questions for you:)
Take care and Godspeed......................~*Snowy*~
I also take a mild tranquilizer (xanax) when I have a bad day. Before I was prescribed that I did very well on Kavakava. Can't take both together , of course so I take xanax since it is insurance covered. I also drank chamomile tea during the day or before bedtime , that seemed to help too. So glad you found this site. I know it will help you feel better :)hugs, jeanne
I love your name, VW
That's really cute.
Dearest has provided lots of other suggestions for dealing with meno problems on the Power Surge website. These boards are only a small portion of the site
The Recommendations page is especially good and the guest transcripts have helpful info, too. You can find these transcripts in the Guest Interview Library.
We're so glad that you found us here
(BTW, if you're also new to the Internet, just click on the blue words and a new window will open up with info in it.)
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Have gotten appointment with OB/Gyn this month. Hope informed and understands/is good and knowledgable.
Med for anxiety has helped considerably. This was hard for me as of the impression don't solve problems with a pill but sure helps. Stigma I had to overcome-sometimes own worst enemy. Have also learned to cut self slack. Didn't really see myself as perfectionist. Breathing and meditation does help and support of so many so helpful. Hang in there I'm proof positive things will level out and get better.Best to all and many thanks,Shake
Dearest
Help ladies. Many years ago I suffered from panic attacks and while I have had not had any in a very long time and have learned a whole lot along the way, I find now that I have jury duty that it is bringing back some of my old fears - like being in a place with no way out should panic happen. This happened in church, or a concert, etc. While I never actually left those situations, they were most uncomfortable. I know it is just the "fear of the fear" and that I consider myself cured for the most part. But, the jury duty is filling me with anxiety. I do feel it is my obligation as a citizen, but dang I hate these old fears cropping up again. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks