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LadyinRed
I saw my doctor this week for the first time after stopping HRT.  I told her my hot flashes are back, and she prescribed Bellergal.  I looked it up and it's a combination of "ergotamine, belladona alkloids and phenobarbital."  Anyone know anything about it, or have any experience/opinions?  This is the first I've heard of it and I've been in meno 5+ years.
MaryO
Egads!  I just looked this up and it sounds like trouble to me.  I don't believe that I could ever take this.   It has barbituates in it, which might make this habit-forming, and all kinds of warnings...

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From NIH:  Bellergal Spacetabs

Category: Menopausal symptoms suppressant, Vascular headache prophylacticDescription:Ergotamine, belladonna alkaloids , and phenobarbital (er-GOT-a-meen, bell-a-DON-a AL-ka-loids, and feen-oh-BAR-bi-tal) combination is used to treat some symptoms of menopause (such as hot flashes, sweating, restlessness, and trouble in sleeping). However, it is not effective against other problems that may occur after menopause, such as osteoporosis. This medicine is also used to prevent migraine or cluster headaches in people who get these headaches often. It is not used to treat a headache that has already started. This combination medicine may also be used for other problems as determined by your doctor.

The phenobarbital in this combination medicine belongs to the group of medicines known as barbiturates.

This medicine is available only with your doctor's prescription, in the following dosage forms: Oral, Tablets (Canada), Extended-release tablets (U.S. and Canada)

Before Using This Medicine

In deciding to use a medicine, the risks of taking the medicine must be weighed against the good it will do. This is a decision you and your doctor will make. For ergotamine, belladonna alkaloids, and phenobarbital combination, the following should be considered:

Allergies:  Tell your doctor if you have ever had any unusual or allergic reaction to ergotamine or other ergot medicines, atropine, belladonna, or barbiturates. Also tell your health care professional if you are allergic to any other substances, such as foods, preservatives, or dyes.

Pregnancy:

  • For ergotamine:Ergotamine is not recommended for use during pregnancy since it has been shown to increase the chance of early labor, which could result in a miscarriage.
  • For belladonna alkaloids:Belladonna alkaloids have not been shown to cause problems in humans.
  • For phenobarbital:Barbiturates such as phenobarbital have been shown to increase the chance of birth defects. Also, when taken during pregnancy, barbiturates may cause bleeding problems in the newborn baby. Be sure that you have discussed these problems with your doctor before taking this medicine.

Breast-feeding:

  • For ergotamine:Ergotamine passes into the breast milk and may cause unwanted effects, such as vomiting, diarrhea, weak pulse, unstable blood pressure, or convulsions (seizures), in nursing babies whose mothers take large amounts of the medicine. Large amounts of ergotamine may also decrease the flow of breast milk.
  • For belladonna alkaloids:Although belladonna alkaloids pass into the breast milk, the amount of belladonna alkaloids in this combination medicine has not been shown to cause problems in nursing babies. However, because the belladonna alkaloids tend to decrease the secretions of the body, it is possible that the flow of breast milk may be reduced in some patients.
  • For phenobarbital:Phenobarbital passes into the breast milk. Taking this combination medicine two or three times a day is not likely to cause problems in nursing babies. However, larger amounts of the medicine may cause drowsiness, unusually slow heartbeat, shortness of breath, or troubled breathing in nursing babies.

Be sure that you discuss these possible problems with your doctor before taking this medicine.

Children:Children may be especially sensitive to the effects of the belladonna alkaloids and the phenobarbital in this combination medicine. This may increase the chance of side effects during treatment. Although there is no specific information about the use of ergotamine in children, it is not expected to cause different side effects or problems in children than it does in adults.

Older adults:Elderly people are especially sensitive to the effects of ergotamine, belladonna alkaloids, and barbiturates such as phenobarbital. This may increase the chance of side effects during treatment.

Other medicines:Although certain medicines should not be used together at all, in other cases two different medicines may be used together even if an interaction might occur. In these cases, your doctor may want to change the dose, or other precautions may be necessary. When you are taking this combination medicine, it is especially important that your health care professional know if you are taking any of the following:

  • Antacids or
  • Diarrhea medicine containing kaolin or attapulgite:These medicines may decrease the effects of the belladonna alkaloids and the phenobarbital in this combination medicine; to prevent this, take the 2 medicines at least 1 hour apart
  • Anticoagulants (blood thinners):The phenobarbital in this combination medicine may decrease the effects of anticoagulants; a change in the dose of anticoagulant may be needed
  • Anticholinergics (medicine for abdominal or stomach spasms or cramps) or
  • Carbamazepine (e.g., Tegretol) or
  • Central nervous system (CNS) depressants (medicine that causes drowsiness) or
  • Cocaine or
  • Contraceptives, oral, (birth control pills) containing estrogens or progestins or
  • Digitalis glycosides (heart medicine) or
  • Monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors (furazolidone [e.g., Furoxone], isocarboxazid [e.g., Marplan], phenelzine [e.g., Nardil], procarbazine [e.g., Matulane], selegiline [e.g., Eldepryl], tranylcypromine [e.g., Parnate] (taken currently or within the past 2 weeks) or
  • Other ergot medicines (dihydroergotamine [e.g., D.H.E. 45], ergoloid mesylates [e.g., Hydergine], ergonovine [e.g., Ergotrate], methylergonovine [e.g., Methergine], methysergide [e.g., Sansert]) or
  • Other medicines for migraine that contain ergotamine in combination with other ingredients, such as ergotamine and caffeine (e.g., Cafergot), or
  • Potassium chloride (e.g., Kay Ciel) or
  • Tricyclic antidepressants (amitriptyline [e.g., Elavil], amoxapine [e.g., Asendin], clomipramine [e.g., Anafranil], desipramine [e.g., Pertofrane], doxepin [e.g., Sinequan], imipramine [e.g., Tofranil], nortriptyline [e.g., Aventyl], protriptyline [e.g., Vivactil], trimipramine [e.g., Surmontil]):The chance of serious side effects may be increased
  • Ketoconazole (e.g., Nizoral):The belladonna alkaloids in this combination medicine may reduce the effects of ketoconazole; to prevent this, take the ergotamine, belladonna alkaloids, and phenobarbital combination at least 2 hours after taking ketoconazole

Other medical problems:The presence of other medical problems may affect the use of this combination medicine. Make sure you tell your doctor if you have any other medical problems, especially:

  • Asthma (or history of), emphysema, or other chronic lung disease or
  • Brain damage (in children) or
  • Difficult urination or
  • Down's syndrome (mongolism) or
  • Dry mouth (severe and continuing) or
  • Enlarged prostate or
  • Heart or blood vessel disease or
  • High blood pressure (severe) or
  • Hyperactivity (in children) or
  • Infection or
  • Intestinal blockage or other intestinal problems or
  • Itching (severe) or
  • Kidney disease or
  • Liver disease or
  • Overactive thyroid or
  • Porphyria or
  • Spastic paralysis (in children) or
  • Urinary tract blockage:The chance of side effects may be increased
  • Glaucoma:The belladonna alkaloids in this combination medicine may make your condition worse
  • Also tell your doctor if you have recently had an angioplasty (a procedure done to improve the flow of blood in a blocked blood vessel) or surgery on a blood vessel, because the chance of side effects caused by the ergotamine in this combination medicine may be increased.

Proper Use of This Medicine

Take this medicine only as directed by your doctor

To take the  extended-release tablet form of this medicine:

  • Swallow the tablet whole.
  • Do not crush, break, or chew the tablet before swallowing it.

Dosing:

The dose of this combination medicine will be different for different patients.  Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of this medicine.  If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.

  • For  oral tablet dosage form:
    • For relieving symptoms of menopause and for preventing headaches:
      • Adults:One tablet in the morning, one tablet at noon, and two tablets at bedtime.
      • Children:Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
  • For  oral extended-release tablet dosage form:
    • For relieving symptoms of menopause and for preventing headaches:
      • Adults:One tablet in the morning and one tablet in the evening.
      • Children:Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.

Missed dose:

If you miss a dose of this medicine, skip the missed dose and go back to your regular dosing schedule. Do not double doses.

Storage:

To store this medicine:

  • Keep out of the reach of children since overdose is especially dangerous in children.
  • Store away from heat and direct light.
  • Do not store in the bathroom, near the kitchen sink, or in other damp places. Heat and moisture may cause the medicine to break down.
  • Do not keep outdated medicine or medicine no longer needed. Be sure that any discarded medicine is out of the reach of children.

Precautions While Using This Medicine

If you have been taking this medicine regularly,  do not stop taking it without first checking with your doctor. Your doctor may want you to reduce gradually the amount you are using before stopping completely.

Do not take antacids or medicine for diarrhea within 1 hour of taking this medicine. Taking them too close together will make the belladonna alkaloids less effective.

This medicine will add to the effects of alcohol and other CNS depressants (medicines that slow down the nervous system, possibly causing drowsiness). Some examples of CNS depressants are antihistamines or medicine for hay fever, other allergies, or colds; sedatives, tranquilizers, or sleeping medicine; prescription pain medicine or narcotics; other barbiturates; medicine for seizures; muscle relaxants; or anesthetics, including some dental anesthetics.  Check with your doctor before taking any of the above while you are taking this medicine. Also, alcohol may make headaches worse, so it is best to avoid alcoholic beverages if you are taking this medicine to prevent headaches.

This medicine may cause some people to have blurred vision or to become drowsy, dizzy, lightheaded, or less alert than they are normally.   Make sure you know how you react to this medicine before you drive, use machines, or do anything else that could be dangerous if you are dizzy or are not alert and able to see well.

Since smoking may increase some of the harmful effects of this medicine, it is best to avoid smoking while you are using it. If you have any questions about this, check with your doctor.

This medicine may make you more sensitive to cold temperatures, especially if you have blood circulation problems. It tends to decrease blood circulation in the skin, fingers, and toes. Dress warmly during cold weather and be careful during prolonged exposure to cold, such as in winter sports. This is especially important for elderly people, who are more likely than younger adults to already have problems with their circulation.

Belladonna alkaloids (contained in this combination medicine) will often make you sweat less, causing your body temperature to increase.   Use extra care not to become overheated during exercise or hot weather while you are taking this medicine, as overheating may result in a heat stroke. Also, hot baths or saunas may make you feel dizzy or faint while you are taking this medicine. This is especially important in children taking this medicine.

This medicine may cause your eyes to become more sensitive to light than they are normally. Wearing sunglasses may help lessen the discomfort from bright light.

If you have a serious infection or illness of any kind, check with your doctor before taking this medicine, since you may be more sensitive to its effects.

This medicine may cause dryness of the mouth, nose and throat. For temporary relief of mouth dryness, use sugarless candy or gum, melt bits of ice in your mouth, or use a saliva substitute. However, if dry mouth continues for more than 2 weeks, check with your medical doctor or dentist. Continuing dryness of the mouth may increase the chance of dental disease, including tooth decay, gum disease, and fungus infections.

Side Effects of This Medicine

Along with its needed effects, a medicine may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention.

Check with your doctor immediately if the following side effects occur, because they may mean that you are developing a problem with blood circulation:

Less common or rareAnxiety or confusion (severe)            change in vision            chest pain             increase in blood pressure            pain in arms, legs, or lower back, especially if pain occurs in your calves or heels while you are walking            pale, bluish-colored, or cold hands or feet (not caused by cold temperatures and occurring together with other side effects listed in this section)            red or violet-colored blisters on the skin of the hands or feet          

Also check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur since they may be symptoms of an overdose:

    Convulsions (seizures)            diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, or stomach pain or bloating (severe) occurring together with other signs of overdose or of problems with blood circulation             dizziness, drowsiness, or weakness (severe), occurring together with other signs of overdose or of problems with blood circulation             fast or slow heartbeat            shortness of breath            unusual excitement            Also check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side effects occur:

    More commonSwelling of face, fingers, feet, and/or lower legs

    Less common or rareSkin rash, hives, or itching            sore throat and fever            unusual bleeding or bruising            weakness in legs            yellow eyes or skin

    Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome:

    More commonConstipation            decreased sweating            dizziness or lightheadedness            drowsiness            dryness of mouth, nose, throat, or skin            Less common or rareBlurred vision, diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting (occurring without other signs of overdose or blood circulation problems)             difficult urination (especially in older men)            difficulty in swallowing            increased sensitivity of eyes to sunlight            loss of memory            reduced sweating            unusual excitement (especially in older adults)            unusual tiredness or weakness           After you stop taking this medicine, your body may need time to adjust. The length of time this takes depends on the amount of medicine you were taking and how long you took it. During this time check with your doctor if your headaches or other symptoms begin again or worsen.

    Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    BELLERGAL® SPACETABS®  Novartis Pharmaceuticals  Belladonna - Ergotamine Tartrate - Phenobarbital  Anticholinergic - Antispasmodic - Sedative    Indications And Clinical Uses: Functional symptoms such as hot flushes, perspiration, palpitations, dizzy spells, restlessness, apprehension, fatigue, insomnia, headache, for example in patients with anxiety-tension states associated with menopause.

    Menopausal women who are treated with Bellergal, exhibiting atrophic vaginitis and/or osteoporosis, require specific therapy for these conditions if indicated.

    Contra-Indications: Narrow-angle glaucoma, sepsis, occlusive vascular disease, hypertension, peripheral vascular disease, severe coronary insufficiency, myocardial lesions, pregnancy and lactation, severe disorders of renal or hepatic function, porphyria, malnutrition, prostatic hypertrophy, hypersensitivity to any of the components.

    Precautions: Administer with caution to patients with pyloric obstruction or angina pectoris. Excessive dryness of the mouth and visual disturbances are signs of overdosage or sensitivity to belladonna alkaloids. Reduction of dosage may be necessary. If excessive or prolonged dosage is contemplated, the physician should be alert to possible peripheral vascular complications in patients highly sensitive to ergot. Due to presence of a barbiturate, Bellergal may be habit forming.

    Occupational Hazards: Barbiturate containing preparations may impair the mental and/or physical abilities required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks such as driving a vehicle or operating machinery.

    Interactions : The concomitant use of alcohol or other CNS depressants may have an additive effect. Warn patients accordingly.

    The prolonged ingestion of barbiturates gives rise to enzyme induction. This increases the rate of metabolism of certain drugs, including oral anticoagulants and oral contraceptives, thus reducing their effectiveness.

    See also phenobarbital general monograph.

    There is some evidence that the concomitant use of triacetyloleandomycin (troleandomycin) or erythromycin and ergotamine may lead to an elevated concentration of ergotamine in the plasma, thereby causing untoward peripheral vasoconstriction.

    Like all drugs, Bellergal Spacetabs should be kept out of the reach of children.

    Adverse Reactions: Visual disturbances, dry mouth, flushing, drowsiness may occur.

    Children: In children, behavioral disturbances and cognitive impairment may occur, due to the presence of phenobarbital.

    Symptoms And Treatment Of Overdose: Symptoms: 1) Nausea, vomiting and abdominal discomfort, usually after an acute overdose of ergotamine (these symptoms may be masked by the action of the belladonna). 2) Numbness, tingling, pain and cyanosis of the extremities, with diminished or absent peripheral pulses. 3) Drowsiness, confusion, incoordination and coma (convulsions, while a feature of acute ergotamine and belladonna poisoning, may be masked by the depressant action of the barbiturate and hence may not be common in a theoretical Bellergal intoxication). 4) Respiratory depression, which may be early in onset, pronounced and persistent. 5) Hypotension, followed by a typical shock like state in more severe cases. 6) Respiratory complications and renal failure, which are not uncommon late sequelae of severe barbiturate intoxication. 7) Hypothermia or hyperthermia.

    The danger of Bellergal intoxication is increased when the drug is ingested in the presence of alcohol, phenothiazines, minor tranquilizers and/or narcotics.

    Treatment: Elimination of the drug by gastric lavage and administration of activated charcoal. Supportive symptomatic treatment with close monitoring of cardiovascular and respiratory systems. In the event of vasospasm, vasodilators such as nitroprusside sodium are indicated.

    Special Features due to Ergotamine Overdosage: Marked peripheral vasospasm with coldness and poor or absent pulses in the hands and feet are commonly associated with acute ergotamine poisoning. Warmth, but not heat, and protection must be afforded the ischemic limbs. Vasopressors should be avoided.

    Vasodilators, such as sodium nitroprusside or tolazoline, may be used with benefit.

    Dosage: One Spacetab in the morning and 1 in the evening. Weekly maximum: 16 tablets.

    Availability And Storage: Each compressed tablet, speckled dark green, orange and light lemon yellow, embossed on one side and double-scored on the other, contains: levorotatory belladonna alkaloids 0.2 mg, ergotamine tartrate USP 0.6 mg and phenobarbital USP 40 mg. Nonmedicinal ingredients: cornstarch, lactose and tartrazine. Bottles of 100. (Shown in Product Recognition Section) *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The ergotamine part is mainly caffeine.  It's used in several migraine prescriptions.  Inactive ingredients include acacia, calcium carbonate, compressible sugar, confectioner’s sugar (sucrose and corn starch), magnesium stearate, methylparaben, microcrystalline cellulose, povidone, propylparaben, sodium benzoate, sodium starch glycolate, starch (potato), sucrose, synthetic iron oxide, titanium dioxide and other ingredients.**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~belladonna alkloids is a antimuscarinic /antispasmodic. **phenobarbital is a barbiturate, nonselective central nervous system depressant which is primarily used as a sedative hypnotic and also as an anticonvulsant in subhypnotic doses.**

    *From RxMed.com**From RxList.com

LadyinRed
Thanks, MaryO.  The first (NIH) part is the same as what I found on Kaiser's website. The rest was new info.  I started taking last night.  Discovered today that they aren't kidding when they warn against taking with antihistamines or cold medicines.  Doesn't work well with Tylenol Cold at all!  I could hardly stay awake during a meeting, and afterward had to cut Christmas shopping short because of just feeling too "spacy."  (But no hot flashes since I took it last night!)  I'm starting to feel normal again now.  For now, I guess I have to decide on a daily (and nightly) basis whether I prefer cold symptoms or hot flashes, since I can't treat both at the same time.  
Hopefloats
HI, would you consider e-mailling me on the dose of this medicine.  I just read that it does help with hot flashes, and I am considering speaking with my doctor about it..IM having SEVERE hot flashes and night sweats, and Im fading really fast!!  THANK YOU!!!Deb
donnabee
I took Bellergal for hot flashes for about a year. I took a tablet in the morning and one at night.It really worked pretty well.  I had dry mouth and was a little sleepy in the afternoons, though. My doctor didn't tell me that it was addictive (the phenobarbital). And in fact, I had no problems when I decided to try HRT and quit the Bellergal. It's a pretty old drug. I remember my mom taking it in the 70s when she started getting hot flashes.

I wish there were more choices out there for us. Good luck.

cheers,

donnabee

MaryO
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I wish there were more choices out there for us.
Hi, DonnaBee - welcome to Power Surge!.  As you look around the website more, you'll learn that there are lots more choices now than there were just a few years ago.

At the top right of every page here are the Power Surge Quick LInks.  Those will take you to some of the most popular places on the website.  If you go to the Recommendations page, you can learn about all kinds of different tratments for menopause problems.  The transcripts in the library, especially those of Dr. Erika Schwartz and Hueseman, R.Ph., P.D. will give you lots of information about natural hormones.  

Dearest has supplied so much valuable information for us on Power Surge. For example, there are some basic introductory articles, such as Power Surge's Menopause Survival Tips, and What's A Hot Flash? and About Your Hormones. and a simple explanation of menopause in the Menopause Primer.

Best of luck to you and keep us posted about how you're doing smile.gif

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