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wisevixen
Hi Ladies:

What remedies have really worked for you? Vitamins, minerals, herbals, either BHRT or HRT -- and other kinds of things like acupuncture, biofeedback, Chinese medicine -- exercise (what kind?). When did the effects kick in? Did something that works for everyone else do nothing for you? What was it?

And what are yr theories as to why not??

Me first: Most natural remedies I have tried (Flaxseed, oil, vitamins, soy, & herbs) were not effective on a continual basis. I gave them about a month to work & at first, things seemed fine. Yet as I have advanced in peri (it has been 10 mos now & am 52, so should be post very soon) -- I feel the natural remedies work less & less well, prob bc I had more E when I began relative to the present moment. My levels have gone down & my body was adjusted to the previous levels, now they are readjusting & the symptoms are more obvious. My skin, vagina, & hair is definitely drier. Some stuff is better -- aches & pains & stiffness are much improved & am running again (tho not like I was) -- but I feel I have leveled out, & at a lower level -- but body is still in a state of acclimating itself.

I am not taking any HRT. A friend swore by 10mg of DHEA a day & tried it for about a month -- and thought it worked, but now it seems not. I stopped taking it today in fact. It seemed to increase my exercise stamina but this week I have regressed. I have some fatigue, the second bout of this. A month ago, I had this same pattern of tiredness -- and about a week later, had a period. I felt immediately much better. So it certainly has something to do with my body forcing itself to make hormones for a period.

Exercise seems my best remedy. Eating good food helps. I strictly avoid heavy meals, carbs etc. Sugar & I are not seeing each other at present. These things make a difference. Sometimes I feel like just doing nothing, but force myself to do something. This too shall pass....but what works for you as it passes???
joliejacq
Hi WV,

So sorry you haven't gotten a response here.

You know, I tried so many things during peri! Spent a small fortune on supplements, etc. Frankly, I can't say anything really made a huge difference.

There's no question it helped to eat as well as possible, exercise each day, and try to get enough sleep.

But for the most part, it really seemed a matter of "letting time pass." I am now 4 years post, and doing a million times better!

(((HUGS)))

JJ
frozentundra
Maybe I am in the same stage as you. Nothing I tried helped more than a week or two or a month at most. Isoflavones, soy shakes, flax oil, this vitamin, that mineral...blahblahblah. They all were nice placebos though. Here is what I have noticed in similarity to what you said:

the hormones drop and then level off awhile, drop and level off


During the drops life is sheer hell. You never know how baaaad you will feel. During the leveling off it seems you can almost bear your life again and that seems to only happen in the week or two between periods. Every period creates a sort of mini nightmare for me now. About a day or two before they begin and this is the ONLY symptom I have warning me they are coming that is regular...I feel terrible anxiety. Sudden insecurity without any cause, out of the blue fear for no reason. About a day later I start spotting. The spotting can go on a day or two or stop and start but within a few days a real period comes. It is always progressive cramping until it comes on heavy. I bleed heavy with clots for a day or maybe two and then the period pretty much ends. There is another day or two or three of light bleeding or winding down bleeding. Sometimes that bleeding is like spotting until I take some progesterone cream and then it ends.

For the last three months I had a super leveling off period. I began to feel almost NORMAL, WIERDLY NORMAL between periods. I felt like my real life was returning. I was SOOO HAPPY! I could rest, I could sit, I could think, I could work and take mini midday naps and I even felt GOOD. I was happy about my life again. I began to COOK and CLEAN (been on semi household retirement for about two years now.) I FELT Like doing these things because I felt happy about my life and being in it.

Then, suddenly as it started it stopped and I had the last period and then three HORRIBLE days after the period ended where I felt ****** away into some dark dungeon where no peace or rest or hope existed. I hurt all over from nerve pain in the arms, legs, back and neck. I was terrified that I would never feel good again and even dreaded my very existence. Not that I wanted to be dead, just not exist. Thats how awful it felt. My head ached and felt compressed as if something was squeezing it and my vision seemed foggy and clouded. I could not concentrate and I my stomach went bad with constant nausea. I prayed about it and talked with some mentors and began to take xanax. But FIRST I took a zantac (pro strength.) For some reason the zantac took about half the pain away and I felt better within an hour. I took the xanax and felt very tired and then within an hour, suddenly much more relaxed. I have been taking it as needed ever since then. I usually only take it at night but this is a drastic problem that requires a similar solution.


Why this menopausal nightmare with the drops and leveling, drops and leveling. Does it ever drop, level and you go back to wanting to live your life and enjoy being you again? It seems just went hopes sets in, some new glitch tears it away. My mother told me that women did not suffer menopause like this when they farmed and used their own foods. She said it happened when grocery stores came into existence. I dunno. She also had the benefit of hysterectomy at 47 and the day of surgery they put her right on estrogen. She went on taking it for another 10-12 yrs. By the time she went off it, her natural menopause was over. She said she went off it because all her mammograms came back with lumps. After she went off, the mammograms never changed again and were considered normal.

I don't know about running. I think about it and joke about it and laugh mostly. Do they make runners Depends? I cannot move fast, cough or sneeze without urinating. Sometimes, like before periods, its sooo bad I can barely make it to the toilet with a slightly full bladder. I am up peeing every night. I wear pads every day to prevent embarrassing bladder leaks. RUN? I would lose my bladder within 30 feet and then start all over again! I get aching hips from sitting too long or walking any distance over a block. Any answers there?

My daughter told me my after period horrid slump was from no sun here for a week. So I took the vitamin D pill she recommended...didn't touch it. It took the regimen I stated above to kick it. PLUS I am now out in the sun every chance it shines. Still, even feeling SOOO much better for the past few days using this regimen, I went out to dinner with hubby and kids and fought panic the entire meal. I had that annoying tingling feel in the cheek, or lip is where I feel it and then knotted stomach, tingling fingers, funky vision from hyperventilating. I finally forced myself into the ladies room and stood there washing my hands in as hot water as I could stand. This is what I do now. I go to restaurants and wash my hands in very hot water until I feel calmer. I HAD NOT TAKEN any xanax today as I felt so much more OK. Guess I should have!

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joliejacq
FT, I could have written this post during the hells of my peri! You said it all so well...

My experience is that the farther away I've gone from having periods, the better I've felt. Hot flashes, insomnia, headaches, etc., all so much better! I actually do things during the day, after having spent a few years barely able to get off the couch!

You know, I think some women DID suffer like us in the old days... Check out my old post about a book I found from 1882, in which the author, a woman, mentions all of the hellish symptoms women can experience. It sure sounded familiar! The only thing she mentioned as a potential reliever, other than the passage of time, was valerian for anxiety.

Hope you, too, will get back to a MUCH better place, and very soon. My worst year was the last one in which I was having periods - and that year (2004), I had only two, 6 months apart. It was the hardest year of my life, with all the symptoms at max level, and severe depression to boot (couldn't leave my bed for 2 months).

My heart goes out to all Sisters going through this hell. But please take heart - it DOES get better! Most of us who were here holding each other up in 2004-5, are now having lots of fun on Facebook, talking about our families, work, hobbies, etc. And we were all a MESS back then!!!

A million (((HUGS)))
JJ

mrsbuff
QUOTE (wisevixen @ Oct 6 2009, 11:09 PM) *
Hi Ladies:

What remedies have really worked for you? Vitamins, minerals, herbals, either BHRT or HRT -- and other kinds of things like acupuncture, biofeedback, Chinese medicine -- exercise (what kind?). When did the effects kick in? Did something that works for everyone else do nothing for you? What was it?

And what are yr theories as to why not??

Me first: Most natural remedies I have tried (Flaxseed, oil, vitamins, soy, & herbs) were not effective on a continual basis. I gave them about a month to work & at first, things seemed fine. Yet as I have advanced in peri (it has been 10 mos now & am 52, so should be post very soon) -- I feel the natural remedies work less & less well, prob bc I had more E when I began relative to the present moment. My levels have gone down & my body was adjusted to the previous levels, now they are readjusting & the symptoms are more obvious. My skin, vagina, & hair is definitely drier. Some stuff is better -- aches & pains & stiffness are much improved & am running again (tho not like I was) -- but I feel I have leveled out, & at a lower level -- but body is still in a state of acclimating itself.

I am not taking any HRT. A friend swore by 10mg of DHEA a day & tried it for about a month -- and thought it worked, but now it seems not. I stopped taking it today in fact. It seemed to increase my exercise stamina but this week I have regressed. I have some fatigue, the second bout of this. A month ago, I had this same pattern of tiredness -- and about a week later, had a period. I felt immediately much better. So it certainly has something to do with my body forcing itself to make hormones for a period.

Exercise seems my best remedy. Eating good food helps. I strictly avoid heavy meals, carbs etc. Sugar & I are not seeing each other at present. These things make a difference. Sometimes I feel like just doing nothing, but force myself to do something. This too shall pass....but what works for you as it passes???

hello,
I went through the same thing as you. 10 month pre-menopausal and when i started vitamins (I added flax-seed, fish oil, complex B, vitamin E) it seemed to improve but as I progress in to menopause, my symptoms are getting worse and the natural stuff does not seem to work as well. Though, I feel that a good diet has really help with joint issues. I lost 25 pounds and feel better for it but I used to be an avid cardio sport person and have decided to give up running and spinning for now as I could not recover very well from it. I have started yoga and it has improved slightly my anxiety level and also helps with muscles tightness especially in legs and hips. I wish I could be more helpful but I sure would like to know if someone has a magic potion for all the weird symptoms (funny skin feeling, tingling, muscle twitches, tinnitus, joint pb, ANXIETY!!). From reading a lot of those posts, it seems that we need to give it time to go away and to focus on reducing anxiety (well for me anyway).
anyway, I find as well that when I eat the slightless sugar or chocolate it affects me. I have given up wine (and I am French!!!) and simple sugar and all junk food for 4 months now.
So for now, I have stopped high cardio. Focus on listening to soothing music while doing stretching and yoga and walk a lot. good diet, lots of liquid, green tea and sparkling water high in magnesium. And the highlight of my day is to take my dog out for walks and just try to focus on some positive things, which is the hardest as my mind always wanders on the negative stuff!
You take care Wisevixen
Beatrice (aka Mrs Buff)
WriterMom
I am 57 and almost 2 years post, except for one period after none for 14 months. I had it checked out with a biopsy, and all was fine. Just some spontaneous ovulation.

During the worst of the erratic periods and hot flashes I took BCP for 6 months. That really helped the periods. When I went off BCP, I had one normal period, and then no more. Almost 3 years ago I did have a panic attack. I just felt very,very weird. Kind of out of body. Didn't know what it was, but knew something was wrong. My BP was way up. I'd never taken BP meds before, but I do now. I think weight gain and peri gave me higher BP.

When I went off BCP, I took Estroven for 6 months. It really helped. I felt much calmer. It has some black cohosh in it, which helps anxiety.

After that panic attack, I looked it up on the Internet and found Power-Surge, thank God! From this site I learned how to help myself, and here's what works for me.

Magnesium (250 MG at night) for heart palpitations. I still take it and usually sleep well.

Extra Vitamin D - I think it helps my energy and anxiety.
More exercise - helps the anxiety a lot. I was going to a gym, but decided the high noise level and high intensity level of the classes were making me more anxious. And since I was paying for it, I felt so guilty if I didn't go! Now I concentrate on working out at home to my own CDs and walking.

Xanax. I have a bottle of them at .25, and take one if I can feel anxiety coming on. Most days, I'm ok and it's just high-stress times that rock the boat. I think knowing I have it in my purse is comforting.
I have also cut out a lot of sugar.
I gave up caffeine completely.
I eat much better. Trying to eat more veggies and drink more water. Don't always succeed.

Biotin and Biosil have helped my hair thinning and especially my nails. You can't just take Biotin. You need the Biosil as well.

Today, I almost feel as well as I did pre-meno mess. My biggest problem is trying to lose weight (ok, I admit, I'm not trying THAT hard). And I absolutely hate the belly. I don't think any number of situps or crunches will fix that, but losing weight would surely help. I'm at 175 right now, and would love to weight 135. But I don't want to take any diet pills because they just cause the jitters.

I have a great job, great grown kids, and wonderful husband. When I start to feel sorry for myself (and it's easy to get kind of depressed at this time), I look at what I have and feel grateful.

I agree - the further I get from my last period, the better I feel. And I think not having periods is liberating.

WriterMom
endless
QUOTE (WriterMom @ Oct 10 2009, 11:58 AM) *
I am 57 and almost 2 years post, except for one period after none for 14 months. I had it checked out with a biopsy, and all was fine. Just some spontaneous ovulation.

During the worst of the erratic periods and hot flashes I took BCP for 6 months. That really helped the periods. When I went off BCP, I had one normal period, and then no more. Almost 3 years ago I did have a panic attack. I just felt very,very weird. Kind of out of body. Didn't know what it was, but knew something was wrong. My BP was way up. I'd never taken BP meds before, but I do now. I think weight gain and peri gave me higher BP.

When I went off BCP, I took Estroven for 6 months. It really helped. I felt much calmer. It has some black cohosh in it, which helps anxiety.

After that panic attack, I looked it up on the Internet and found Power-Surge, thank God! From this site I learned how to help myself, and here's what works for me.

Magnesium (250 MG at night) for heart palpitations. I still take it and usually sleep well.

Extra Vitamin D - I think it helps my energy and anxiety.
More exercise - helps the anxiety a lot. I was going to a gym, but decided the high noise level and high intensity level of the classes were making me more anxious. And since I was paying for it, I felt so guilty if I didn't go! Now I concentrate on working out at home to my own CDs and walking.

Xanax. I have a bottle of them at .25, and take one if I can feel anxiety coming on. Most days, I'm ok and it's just high-stress times that rock the boat. I think knowing I have it in my purse is comforting.
I have also cut out a lot of sugar.
I gave up caffeine completely.
I eat much better. Trying to eat more veggies and drink more water. Don't always succeed.

Biotin and Biosil have helped my hair thinning and especially my nails. You can't just take Biotin. You need the Biosil as well.

Today, I almost feel as well as I did pre-meno mess. My biggest problem is trying to lose weight (ok, I admit, I'm not trying THAT hard). And I absolutely hate the belly. I don't think any number of situps or crunches will fix that, but losing weight would surely help. I'm at 175 right now, and would love to weight 135. But I don't want to take any diet pills because they just cause the jitters.

I have a great job, great grown kids, and wonderful husband. When I start to feel sorry for myself (and it's easy to get kind of depressed at this time), I look at what I have and feel grateful.

I agree - the further I get from my last period, the better I feel. And I think not having periods is liberating.

WriterMom


I'm 57 too and have had a different experience from yours. I'm around 7 years post and things are as bad as ever! However, I did have 4 years of being OK when the hrt was working well. I went on it because i was desperate and it was the only thing that helped. I spent a fortune on alternative remedies and none did anything. the hrt became less and less effective as time went on and the only way to improve things was to boost the dose, which I don't want to do any more. so it's back to hell! i can't really afford to do the rounds of the herbal remedies etc again. so i'm not sure where to go from here. any ideas gratefully received!! LOL
All the best to everyone.
denni
I am the same as you endless I was fine until my periods stopped I have been in hell for months now I have patches but so far not much difference, I tried all natural gear nothing helps, you are further down the track with post meno but I agree its worse when your periods stop.
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