Are you in the US or UK or anywhere else having the same hype about H1N1 [swine flu]Virus as we are in Canada?I have a really bad cold right now and am hoping it's not it.But with peri I don't know which symptom is from which??They say we follow Australia and they didn't have it so bad.Some say it's more political they made a bunch of vaacines now they got to use them,but they haven't been tested except a few samples they're talking old folks in trying[who are not at high risk.I am sneezing and feel like hell and don't know if I should lock myself in a closet or not?! Lumz

Sorry you're not feeling well. Are you running a fever? Chances it's the Swine flu are pretty slim. I've had bad summer colds that have put me to bed for days. I do think there's way too much hype about the Swine flu and I don't think it's going to be as bad as they predict this fall and winter. As for me and my family, we're not getting the vaccine they're making. Not only has it not been tested enough to satisfy me, I've never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu in at least 10 years. Hope you're feeling better soon.

High fever, bad cough, sore throat is what we were told just today by a Health Dept. nurse.

We actually had a death in my county just 2 weeks ago. A healthy, 21 year old boy died from the swine flu.

Dr's didn't know what was wrong with him. He was hospitalized and he died while in the hospital.

Very sad, indeed!

We have had deaths but none perfectly healthy.

We have had so much hype here. It is enough to scare the pants off anyone. I live in fear and I hate that.

We have had a few deaths in our state and all of them had other health problems before contracting it.

I think we would all like to hope the swine flu is being over-hyped, but only time will tell. Countries in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is mid-winter, are already seeing a sharp increase in their death tolls from the pandemic flu strain. More than 10,000 confirmed cases have been reported in Australia, and health officials there warn that the country could face up to 6,000 deaths this year. Britain has estimated 55,000 new cases in the last week alone. This could be a preview of what lies ahead for us later this year. There is probably not going to be enough Swine flu vaccine to go around initially. Older people seem to do better with this flu, possibly because they have encountered a similiar enough virus at some point in their lifetime to give them a bit of immunity to the severity of the strain. At this point, 5 groups will have priority to receive the first of the vaccine that is available:
Pregnant women and their partners
Health care workers and emergency medical responders
People caring for infants under 6 months of age
Children and young adults from 6 months to 24 years
People aged 25 to 64 years with underlying medical conditions (e.g. asthma, diabetes)
Until there is enough vaccine for everyone that wants it make sure you take other precautions - frequent hand-washing, cover mouths when coughing or sneezing and stay home if you are sick with any respiratory illness.

My neighbor said she took her 5 year old to the Dr and they said it was swine flu, but they did no test !!!!

To have a correct diagnisis, a Dr. would have to run lab tests. The symptoms of Swine flu and regular flu are indistinguisable.

They told her that Kansas doesn't do the testing, only the CDC. I think I would have wanted more info.

Just getting over our winter period here.


Taken from the Sydney Morning Herald

Australia's swine flu toll hits 98
August 11, 2009

Vaccination against swine flu is preferable to taking antivirals, Australia's chief medical officer says.

Professor Jim Bishop said that while antivirals were effective in children by reducing symptoms for one or two days they should not be considered a cure-all.

The total number of deaths in Australia associated with swine flu has reached 98.

Confirmed deaths across Australia include 32 deaths in NSW, 21 in Queensland, 19 in Victoria, nine in South Australia, eight in WA, four in both Tasmania and the NT, and one in ACT.

A world-first trial of a swine flu vaccine in children began in Australia on Monday with the results expected to be known within weeks.

"It is currently recommended that antivirals be used for vulnerable people, including children, and those who rapidly deteriorate, to help reduce their symptoms," Prof Bishop said in a statement on Tuesday.

"However, the evidence is still developing on how effective antivirals are in preventing severe complications."

Children aged under one should not be prescribed antivirals, he said.

"Antivirals are the only treatments for the current pandemic influenza outbreak which is why the government is moving quickly to obtain a vaccine when it is ready and get it out into the community as early as possible."

Prof Bishop said the Therapeutic Goods Administration was continuing to monitor any reports of adverse reactions.

There have been 27,663 confirmed cases of swine flu in Australia since the first diagnosis on May 7.

A total of 3,287 people have been hospitalised, while 441 patients are currently in hospital diagnosed with the H1N1 virus with 114 of them in intensive care units.

A spokeswoman from the federal health department said there was "no indication" the virus was mutating.

© 2009 AAP

This is unreal!!!
School started here today and the kids spent at least half of their time going over all the hand washing procedures, properly coughing and sneezing (which I believe is great) and they have to have hand sanitizer to use as well.
My anxiety is bad as it is and when I go places it just increases. I hate living in fear all the time.

The deception surrounding the "Swine flu" is well-documented. And the fact that it's man-made as well. The media are complicit, government cannot be trusted and we will all be faced with life and death decisions soon, very soon. Don't trust that our elected officials will be able to protect us, because they can't. Be smart, stay informed. And know that flu vaccines ARE NOT MANDATORY!

Texasgirl, i totally agree with you about the whole government thing. I dont trust our government and i know that theres stuff going on thats really f'd up. theres no way im getting the shot and neither are my kids. Im very scared of whats going on and both of my sons have asthma so i was very afraid to even let my 4th grader go to school this week. it just seems so unreal that i had to even consider making a decision like that. i made sure that he had his bottle of hand sanitizer and told him to make sure he uses it ALOT. IM STILL WONDERING IF I SHOULD JUST PULL HIM OUT AND HOMESCHOOL HIM! Im homeschooling my older son because he was struggling so much last year that he has to repeat the 6th grade. he was being bullied and the school didnt do anything about it so i pulled him out. Anyway, im one of those conspiricy theory believers ( of all the posibilities) and i dont trust this world we live in.

yes .. hyped in US here .. all I know is last week I was sicker then I have been in 9 years .. I was throwing up violently for 9 hours .. then the runs .. wracking body aches .. it was HORRIBLE .. never got tested .. but wouldnt have been surprised if it was the little piggy virus.. all a-ok now.

It sounds like you might have had some food poisoning. The last time that happened to me (many years ago), I was SOOO sick for about 12 hours. It got so bad, I was forced to sit on the toilet and hold my bathroom trash can at the same time. Not fun.

If you give your children hand sanitizer make sure they don't ingest it.It is something like 70% alcohol .Some teens were drinking it and getting alcohol poisoning.Now there saying just keep your kids a t home if sick and treat it like any other flu.The vaccine won't be available til November [general public]I don't think I have it because I don't have a fever or caughing, but I started feeling better and go to do normal things and it knocks me out!In some ways if it's coming I'de rather have it first because God know I'll be the one taking care of everyone else!So why the guilt?I don't know. Lumz

I have the same issues with the government and all this crap. I remember what happened in the 70s with the vaccines killing people. The last time I took a flu shot was the about 9 years ago and I got the flu so did my son. It was horrible. I have not had the shot since then and neither have my kids. I am afraid it because I believe that having the vaccine is what gave me the flu.

I homeschool my son and always have because am not too charmed with the public schools in my area and I am so glad I do. I feel like an ogre because all of his friends go to public school and I will not let them play with my son if they have any indication of illness. I also make them wash their hands when coming here after school to play. I just cant help myself. I worry about this stuff because they say the people that are at most risk for death and complications are younger people!

A cave in the mountains is looking more appealing all the time!!!

I have a friend that almost died from a side effect of a flu shot, it affected his muscles GB . Now there is a problem with Gardacel SP? I'm concern also about the vacine and it's saftey.

Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine
(At least, not by anyone in authority...)

#1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall...

#2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.

#3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs.

#4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...)

#5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. government has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that blanket immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability).

#6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize.

#7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated...

#8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money comes out of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers.

#9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.

#10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...)

The lottery, they say, is a tax on people who can't do math. Similarly, flu vaccines are a tax on people who don't understand health.

Here is the list of what is in the Swine Flu Vaccine;

* aluminum hydroxide
* aluminum phosphate
* ammonium sulfate
* amphotericin B
* animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
* dog kidney, monkey kidney,
* chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
* calf (bovine) serum
* betapropiolactone
* fetal bovine serum
* formaldehyde
* formalin
* gelatin
* glycerol
* human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
* hydrolized gelatin
* mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate®)
* monosodium glutamate (MSG)
* neomycin
* neomycin sulfate
* phenol red indicator
* phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
* potassium diphosphate
* potassium monophosphate
* polymyxin B
* polysorbate 20
* polysorbate 80
* porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
* residual MRC5 proteins
* sorbitol
* tri(n)butylphosphate,
* VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
* washed sheep red blood

Just wondering where you got your Information?I'm not "anti-vaccine" but I am very selective with my children.I do think children are receiving too many,but sometimes it may be our best defense but I don't think I trust this one.With all the hype I'm just dreading this season.I'll probably over react on their first sniffle.I think it would be nice if we can use this site to support one another through this Flu season. Lumz

The information is not hard to find. I did a lot of research and also talked to people in the health care field. I would suggest that you do your own research until you feel comfortable with the decision you make regarding the Swine flu shot for you and your family.

This was on CBS...Aug. 12, 2009

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5237185n

Interesting. I have found a few articles say the same thing. The flu is mild in most cases.

I dont think I would take the shot.

That CBS talk was wonderful.We had a talk in on my CBC radio and had some interesting feedback.A couple of people who had it called in who had it and said it was like any other flu.But at my kids school they already are pushing the vaccine for next week.I'm sure most of the mom's will follow along and my poor kids will sit out and feel like oddballs.Your dambed if you do and if you don't!You wonder though that if the government spent millions on producing these vaccines and they were not ready and the flu was mild they would look like fools and if they vaccinate now and it's mild they look like heroes and can say it's because of the vaccine and who would know???

Hi,
I am a pediatric research nurse..and I work closely with the CDC and our state Dept of health on this virus. It is very deadly. I would trust the gov't when discussing the vaccine. It is important to get the flu shot first then when the swine flu H1N1 comes out in mid oct. get that as soon as you can. Especially if your child has asthma...this particular virus is one that attacks the respiratory system..anyone with asthma is at extremely high risk. I don't usually get flu shots, nor do my kids..but i am making sure that we all have them this year. I am in meetings DAILY about the progress of this virus..it is very serious. PLEASE do not take it lightly...many young children are dying with our without underlying health conditions...

If I can say anything at all , it's PLease heed your drs. advice on this. Kids will be spreading it in schools quickly, and you should n't wait ..get the vaccine as soon as you can. It has been tested on humans and it is a dead virus, not a live one...so you will not get the flu from the vaccine...

I hope i helped. I get daily updates and so can you at www.flu.gov and www.cdc.gov. IT IS as scary as they are making it sound. It is killing many kids and young adults, and the immunocompromised...this is not a test. Please take it seriously and keep abreast of the info on these websites

Nurselisa

HOw can you justify what you are saying..most of it is all wrong and you are telling people lies. THe vaccine has been tested on humans..it has no mercury in it, so there isn't a chance it will cause any neurological disorders or autism..it is a DEAD vaccine, which means you cannot get the flu from the vaccine...THey started producing the dEAD flu vaccine about 6 years agao..they no longer produce the live vaccine. Healthy, vibrant people are dying from this. It is very serious. Please do not lie outright about so many things as you are scaring people and could be killing them if they don't get the vaccine...seriously...do your own homework on this everyone..go to www.flugov.com or www.cdc.com to get daily updates..this is not a joke...

You are full of crap when you say Vit. D can protect you from a virus! vit D works to help strengthen your bones.it does NOT build up your immune system or protect you from any virus..only the vaccine does...Most of the swine flu vaccines will be given out for free at schools, stores, etc...the drug companies are not making millions on this...

even if people around you get the vaccine, and you don't you ARE NOT protected..every store you go into, every door you touch, every piece of money you handle, EVERYWHERE there will be virus germs..you cannot escape them.
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tHere is NO such thing as an 'adjuvunt' in a vaccine? what the hell is an adjuvunt? I think you are thinking of mercury when it used to be added to vaccines..NO MORE...no more risk of autism or any neuorlogical disorders...did you mean adjunct? that means 'added' itself...and no this is no more true than any of your other lies listed above.

I am a research pediatric nurse. I have daily state and federal meetings with health depts on the swine flu. TRUST me, when i tell you it is safe, you cannot get the flu from it, and thousands if not hundreds of thousands will die in the U.S. if we do not get the vaccine..especially the young....It will not compromise your immune system in any way..it is a dead virus, adn just causes to build up white blood cells/ antibodies to fight and trick your body into believing you've already had the virus if you are exposed to it again...it 's very smart...so that way you are making your immune system stronger..not weaker.

I beg of you to not pay attention to anything listed above. Do your own research at the two sights I gave you . YOu can also call the CDC and they have a special hotline to help answer your concerns and questions.

Nurselisa

Thank you for this information, Lisa. I am a mother of a 2 yr. old that works at a large university so my husband and I have been having lots of conversations about how to handle this situation -- we worry about giving our son the regular flu vaccine and now have to decide on the h1n1 vaccine, as well. Given the fact that I am around hundreds of college students everyday and my son goes to daycare we really need to be vigilent (my husband works from home). I will read up on the information you've provided so I can have balanced information. I have no idea if the information the other poster said was correct (I haven't researched it myself) but I do agree that people should do their "homework" before they get vaccinated.

This is why I liked the CBS news link it seams very balanced.The school usually sends a form with a list of ingredients of the vaccine [though mercury and aluminum were not listed on one of our hepatitus vaccines]I just wish we had more time to think about it.I just think children have been receiving way too many vaccines.The reports of deaths here in Canada all have had other conditions that made them vunerable.I know in Mexico it was different. I pray it's not going to hit hard.

Your reply to my post is a personal attack so I will respond accordingly. It really doesn't matter to me in the least if you are the most experienced nurse on this planet. That doesn't make your opinion "gospel." You called me a "liar". I have a lot of respect for the ladies on this board and enjoy reading ALL of the different opinions. But, lady, I have no respect for anyone who calls me childish names. That's just immature. I was not the one who wrote the original article. I just passed it along to whoever wanted to read it. We're all entitled to our opinion and I certainly have one. You also said I'm "full of crap." Well, I'm not going to stoop to your level with the name calling. Obviously you are used to getting your way in life. Hey, if you plan to be the first one in line in your hometown to get stuck with the Swine Flu shot, be my guest. As for me and my family, we choose not to "go with the flow" with those who believe their government can do no wrong. A government who "has never put it's citizens in danger." God, don't get me started..............

well heres what i think... i believe that most doctors today are complete idiots because they are being taught by complete idiots. the government and the pharma are behind what they are all being taught. i believe there is a master plan behind it all and it all boils down to pushing drugs and making money, there is no concern about anybodys health anywhere.

I have been reading, too...Not to be start a war, but take a look...I have some serious questions about the life-saver vaccine.



The swine flu vaccine contains a preservative made with mercury. Thimerosal is nearly 50% mercury.
Muti-dose vials of H1N1 vaccine contain this. If I remember correctly, in the mutli-dose vials, the FDA says it must contain it. (?????? ...I am pretty sure this is correct, but would have to look it up.)

.... compiments of ABC news...

http://www.rescuepost.com/.a/6a00d8357f3f2...7151d227970c-pi




This is from the FDA...

“Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal-containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines. Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines ( ~just google what one contain mercury. You'll be surprised. Also, not what contries do not allow it at all.) routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine. ”



Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines. Depending on what company maufactures the vaccine, you might get squalene, which is an immune adjuvant that studies show that is can cause autoimmune disordes like rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus. Animal studies using this adjuvant found them to be deadly. Hmmmm...Defense Department officials say there is no need for squalene in their H1N1 vaccine, which is a mandatory shot. Thank God!




As for D-3...many studies have just been released. It is a great supplement. In the Cambridge Journals, I read an old article by R. Edgar Hope-Simpson. Even years ago, doctors and researchers were taking a hard look at this supplement.

"In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson, proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'."

New studies that have been recently release demonstrate that D-3 does more that just help prevent fractures in the elderly.

There are many great research paper and articles. Their was one article by Dr. Jim Manganiello, that was very easy to read.

He condensed the information...

"Studies show that optimal vitamin D3 levels have a favorable impact on many health risks and life problems. Here's some of what the research shows:

Cancer: The farther away from the equator, the greater the cancer rates. Leading vitamin D expert Dr. William Grant estimates that if D3 levels were higher, 2 million cancer deaths per year could be prevented.

Coronary heart disease: Low levels of vitamin D double the risk of heart attack and premature death.

Autoimmune diseases: Rheumatoid arthritis, Type 1 diabetes and multiple sclerosis are all more prevalent in people with deficient vitamin D levels.

High blood pressure and stroke: Decreased vitamin D stimulates parathyroid hormone, which raises blood pressure. Vitamin D inhibits mechanisms that raise blood pressure.

Depression: Reduced sunlight exposure and depression go hand in hand. Studies show that increased vitamin D blood levels reduce the incidence of depression in older adults.

Diabetes: A Finnish study showed that children who took vitamin D supplements in childhood had 10 times less incidence of diabetes as adults.

Susceptibility to infection: Vitamin D produces 200 plus antimicrobial peptides that fight infections."




I'll keep reading...and I don't think I want to be first in the flu shot line....and if I do decided to take it, I will want to know what company made it!

YOU are TOTALLY making this up~! I actually work with the CDC EVERYDAY on the H1N1 vaccine and even the CDC doens't know what exactly is in the vaccine...

WHy in the world are you trying to scare people away from the vaccine???? It's very obvious!

Nurse Lisa

I hate to say it , but this is a fake picture..there are no vials available to even get a picture of yet! There is NO mercury, thermasol in the vaccine...!! please go to www.flu.gov or cdc.com and see for yourself...

Nurse Lisa

Please make this decision for yourself..go to the websites www.flu.gov and cdc.gov...Make an EDUCATED decision. Otherwise there are going to be many very sick or dead people / children out there because of these scare tactics!! THe WHO is expecting 50% of the world's population to catch this..and those that can't fight it off will be dying! do you really want to take this chance?

Please be informed...

Nurse Lisa

you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about this vaccine. YOu have done no obvious research adn are just scaring people on here with your statements....let people make their own decisons based on reading the info....otherwise there are going to be many very sick, paralyzed or dead children and adults. THe WHO is expecting this to hit over 50% of the population..read how many have died already...thousands MORE than the regular flu every year, and flu season hasn't even started yet!@

Yes, I stand by my comments...when you say the things you do to scare people then I do personally attack..and I do call you a liar...sorry ...you started it by writing so many inaccurate things and scaring so many people..had to let them know IT WAS ALL FALSE!! Get your facts straight

Nurse Lisa

I think all health care workers and anyone should know exactly whats in the vaccine!!!I found this CBS"60 minutes" documentry about swine flu epidemic of 1976 :http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/cbs+60+minutes,+swine+flu+vaccine/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

Sorry, but I think YOU'RE the one on here trying to SCARE people!! Get a grip.

TexasGirl: I think it is irresponsible for you to post a bunch of stuff without listing the source. Much of what you cut and paste here comes from the disreputable website of fringe shockjock/conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. On his website, along with all the ridiculous paranoid delusions about "worldwide conspiracy," he has a link where you can buy an "infowars" tshirt of the president in whiteface. That is the kind of mentality that informs the entire site -- racism, ignorance and paranoia. For some reason, Jones' site and others, like the fellow traveling "sherdog" site, have become fixated on the whole flu issue. It's fine if you want to believe claptrap like that, BUT if you are going to post things from those types of sources in here, then TELL PEOPLE where it is from. If it were not so tragic, it would be laughable that you refer to hate speech as "research." And I must ask you again -- why is it that you NEVER cite the source of items that you cut and paste to message boards here? Is it that perhaps, deep down, you know that the sources are bogus and no one here would believe them if they saw the whole picture?

I'm sure you will play this off as a personal attack, but it is not. We have a serious health issue here, and you trying to use these forums to push a political agenda that has no place in the debate, and should get no airing at PS. If there are any moderators reading this thread, perhaps it would be a good idea to make a rule that bans the cutting and pasting of items from other websites. Dearest has the rule about not posting links to websites (which gets violated all the time), but it seems like posting whole long diatribes from sites that specialize in misinformation is an even bigger abuse. Or maybe it would even be a good idea to delete the whole "swine fu" thread. I am not typically a fan of that, especially if it's a thread where people are flaming each other, because that's just free speech and can be shrugged off. Posting a lot of misinformation about a serious health issue -- on a site that is about the health issues posed by menopause -- is far worse and possibly damaging, although I'm sure that most people are smart enough to ignore that crazy list of ingredients and all.

I had never heard of Alex Jones! I see he plays on people using Scare Tactics!
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Seed exchange group, Snowie? I dunno ... sounds like some kind of deep dark communist plot to me. *heheheheheehehe*

OMG! Why can't you just face the fact that we are all different here. We're NOT going to all have the same opinion on this issue. This IS a serious subject, and frankly, I'm surprised to see that you want to try to bait me into getting nasty on here, which I just don't do.
I will say though, that I don't know who Alex Jones is, or any of the others you mention. Obviously, you visit those web sites on a regular basis. But hey, that's your business.

OhGosh you made me laugh!

Anyone see the show the other night with the old lady who was a food hoarder? Hey if worse comes to worse> she become my next best friend!
Out of date or not I will eat it!

Texasgirl: Is this or is this not a post of yours from the thread "new show on discovery channel":

"I do wonder just exactly how the government would go about forcing every American to take the Swine flu shot. I mean realistically, how could that happen? I listen to Alex Jones and look forward to finally meeting him this fall. He'll be a groomsman at my son's wedding, and both his kids are the ring bearer and flower girl. He and my son and future daughter-in-law have been close since high school. I know the things he talks about sound far-fetched but my son tells me he's just a very passionate man when it comes to fighting for the rights of all of us. smile.gif"

I originally found the Jones website because I cut and pasted a couple of sentences from an article you posted into Google search, and up came that site. It was awhile ago, when you had posted something odd on a thread about a tv show called "The Colony" on the Discovery Channel. What you said was SO odd that I googled it and found Alex. When I called you out on it, you replied to me that he's close to your son and future daughter-in-law. I did not press the issue at that time given that he was a personal friend of your son, but now I find you never even heard of him before. Now I know what it was like for Alice behind the looking glass. lol

I'm doing a Joe Wilson shout out>> YOU LIE!

This is exactly why I dont comment much about these issues and why I'm always hesitant to open up a discussion about vaccines in general. I send links from reliable sources so people can read and make up their own minds. It isn't to scare people at all. We're all entitled to our opinions and we should be able to discuss and debate topics in a mature way and not resort to name calling and personal attack. I've seen this so many times with the bhrt and AD/Benzo threads. NurseLisa didn't just comment, she became confronational and attacked a poster. It's wrong!

For what it's worth, I wont be having the swine flu vaccine and anyone with common sense should hold off until this vaccine is subjected to more trials. It's too early to say if this vaccine is safe or not -- Claims by NurseLisa that the vaccine "is safe" puzzles me -- how does she know??? How does anyone really know???

Here is a link ( from a reliable source and just one of many I might add) that I think is worth reading -- If you dont like what this link contains, dont attack me, dont ridicule me and dont accuse me of being a liar... it would be nice for once if we could al have a civil discussion and not resort to this kind of tripe!

And Lisa ---

I've tried to send you a PM but it appears the function is disabled. Lately, you have been sending me PMs about your Avon business. I'm asking you AGAIN, to stop! I dont like Avon products, I dont wish to buy your Avon products, and I do not wish to visit your website. I hope that you NOW get the message.

Thanks.

http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-new-in-n...5005221.article

Sorry, but it was necessary. That's all I can say for now.

Oh and by the way --- this is a paragraph that I wish to highlight in the article from the link...

The majority of swine flu vaccine will be the adjuvant version manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline, which contains 4mcg of antigen. The second type, manufactured by Baxter, is a whole virus vaccine containing 7.5mcg of antigen.

I have been doing some research as well. It seems the figures you describe are not exactly what is being reported. I checked the FDA and CDC websites first and there is NO information to be had about what is actually in the vaccines as you said. There is no list to look at. The only thing I could find was that the vaccine is being tested on humans and directions for avoiding the disease, which was basically get the vaccine.

Secondly, I checked CNN and MSNBC and they reported on September 4, 2009 that WHO has confirmed 254,206 cases of swine flu worldwide and 2,837 deaths worldwide since the swine flu's emergence in April of 2009. Now it is understood that this number maybe higher due to the fact that not all countries have to report all cases to WHO but it is felt it is a good representative of what is happening so far.

Thirdly, WHO estimates that 2 billion people (one-third of the world's population) will be affected by the swine flu virus.

From what I have researched the seasonal flu causes approximately 96,000 deaths each year. This is a far cry from 2400. Also WHO said that of the approximately 500 children who have died from the disease so far over 70% had underlying medical conditions that intensified their illnesses.

Obviously this is a sensitive subject! People are frightened and untrusting of the government information because we have been lied to throughout history about many, many things. So no one really knows what to believe. So I agree with making your own decisions about the vaccine or any other medical decision for that matter.

Everyone and I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion and feelings regarding this subject so no one should ridicule another for it.

NurseLisa since you work so closely with the CDC then maybe you could provide more information for people who are in the dark concerning this disease and vaccine. What is in it? Has the CDC provided you with a list of ingredients and a list of side effects? If so, maybe you can share it unless of course it is a secret.

I am just as frightened about all this as anyone else. I do not take the seasonal flu vaccine because the last time I got it, I was so sick for 2 weeks and wound up giving it to my son as well. We have experienced the flu since that time but it was not nearly as severe as the one from the vaccine. So I will not be getting the swine flu vaccine and neither will my children unless someone can convince me that there is nothing to worry about the vaccine. So far, I have no heard anything that will make me be first in line.

I pray that everyone here will try to educate themselves and make an informed decision as to what they feel is proper for themselves and their families. No one should be made to feel that they are stupid for their opinions. Nor should people be called names.

I did find the list of ingredients that Texasgirl posted about on Yahoo answers. It is there for anyone to view.

Hugs to everyone,
Jeaninne