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H1N1 Vaccine and Safety

July 30, 2009 4:31 PM

The preservative Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines because of a fear of causing autism. Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius responds to parents' concerns about its use in test batches of the H1N1 vaccine.



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H1N1 Flu Vaccine Will Contain Mercury
August 01, 2009 by Luis R. Miranda

As it was recently unveiled by the Washington Post, many doses of the new H1N1 vaccine will be stored in multi dose vials which will contain thimerosal.
Luis R. Miranda





I decided to go the the CDC....to take a look....

CDC says, "Novel H1N1 vaccine is being procured by the U.S. government from five (5) vaccine manufacturers of currently U.S.-licensed seasonal influenza vaccines – inactivated subunit (4) and live, attenuated vaccines (1). Inactivated licensed novel H1N1 vaccine will be available in single-dose syringes, or in multi-dose vials. Live attenuated vaccine will be available in limited number in inhaler sprayers. Single-dose syringes will be thimerosal-free, which will address concerns about this additive, especially regarding pediatric and pregnant vaccine recipients"



It does not say that multi-dose vial will be thimerosal free. ...If I did the shot, I would ask for a single dose vial.



example....

fluvirina (seasonal flu shot)

DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS
FLUVIRIN®, a sterile suspension for intramuscular injection, is supplied in two
presentations:
• Prefilled syringe, 0.5-mL. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative used during
manufacture, is removed by subsequent purification steps to a trace amount (≤ 1 mcg
mercury per 0.5-mL dose). (3, 11)
• Multidose vial, 5-mL. Contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative (25 mcg mercury
per 0.5-mL dose). Thimerosal is added as a preservative. (3,11)
Each 0.5-mL dose contains 15 micrograms (mcg) of influenza virus hemagglutinin (HA)
from each of the following 3 viruses: A/Brisbane/59/2007, IVR-148 (H1N1);
A/Uruguay/716/2007, NYMC X-175C (H3N2) (an A/Brisbane/10/2007-like virus); and
B/Brisbane/60/2008. (3, 11)


The single dose only has a trace....

I just keep reading...and thinking...

You know, I took a good look at what's in all vaccines...Texasgirl might not be too far off.

I posted this link so we can share and support one another.I know when it comes to vaccines it is a very passionate subject.But just as with HRT and other meds there are those who take them and those who don't but we've always managed to disagree with respect.I have learned a lot so far and it is up to me to sort out what is fact or fiction.I want women who are sick or have sick children to have a safe place to come and get support without judgement on whether or not they got vaccinated.I appreciated the info from Australia for they have gone through their flu season without too many casualties lets just hope we do the same.

Then why does one? Not to single you out, because there have been a lot of these "topics" started in the past year on a number of subjects. But if someone has already made up their own mind about an issue, why do they feel the need to have a "discussion" about it? If the topic is started because a person is really torn between the route to take and is asking for additional info or opinions, that is one thing. But when a topic is started and it becomes pretty obvious that the person has already formed an concrete opinion...then it seems fairly disingenuous to feign surprise when the topic doesn't go in the direction the person was hoping....hidden agenda, anyone?

I'm not sure what to do about this either. I have never had a flu shot and have not had a bad flu in many,many years. I will pass along a conversation that I had with one of my clients on saturday. I am a hairstylist and this client was a female doctor, who I have known for 12yrs. She is an MD from a local hospital in Southern Calif. I asked her what the situation was regarding the swine flu. She said that the hospital feels it is a rather mild flu for most people. I suppose those who are at higher risk, it could affect them more.

I asked her if the doc's were going to get the flu shot ( themselves), she said yes, the staff will probably all get the vaccine, however many of the doc's say that the vaccine MAY not even be correct, as this virus has changed over the past year. Therefore the vaccine could not work.....

I have heard this many times when the flu shots come out in the fall, many times the actual shot is not even the right strain of virus support for the flu that is going around???

Well I am no expert on this issue, and I will probably not be getting the vaccine. I just hope that it is not as bad as all the hype.

Thanks to all for the input.

Juliann

I always enjoy your post, even if we don't always agree.


I did notice that that Bill Gates has a secret seed vault. LOL!
Oh, my gosh...http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529

What next????? The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island. If we were smart, we would invest in this....LOL! Pronto!

LOL!

Shebee

I don't even sell AVON products..sorry not me. If i'm confrontational it's because I want everyone to look at all the facts on their own before they decide. I attend CDC and State health dept. meetings every DAY, about this vaccine. I know it has been tested just as long as any other flu vaccine year to year has been tested. Just make an informed decision and don't listen to anyone else. If you wait to get it you could get very ill. Many before you have said the same thing..including during the last pandemic when over 2 million died.

I'm done with this. it is your right NOT to ever get any vaccine..it's optional , not mandatory....just know the facts before making such an important decision that could affect you and your family....

thanks
Lisa

oh yeah ... I appreciate yours too Shebee.

And I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on the flu vaccine question. I have never gotten one before, at least not since being an adult, and I tend not to catch the flu (knock wood). This flu is a new one, but it's not avian flu (which they now think was the type of flu that caused the 1918 epidemic). The vaccine was developed very fast and has not been tested to the extent that would make us all comfortable. On the other hand, the strains mutate so quickly that it might be out of date before it is even deployed, despite being engineered so quickly. I have not decided whether I will get an H1N1 vaccine myself. From what I have seen so far, it appears that H1N1 is not a "killer" type of flu, but if I can avoid ten or so days of feverish misery by taking the vaccine, then maybe it's worth it. Who can afford ten days out of work?

What I have reacted against in my posts is the way the flu issue is being exploited by an opportunistic group of political extremists who try to use it to their own advantage -- like in a Stephen King novel. lol It is not reasonable to believe that flu is "manmade" or part of some nefarious conspiracy. Medical authorities trying to deal with this outbreak, in my opinion, are good-intentioned women and men doing their level best to combat what may or may not prove to be a serious situation. I appreciate the hard work and dedication that they have shown in gaining their expertise and using it to benefit the public. If the vaccine ended up having bad side effects, like the one in 1976, it would be because of honest mistakes, not deliberate and malicious plotting. Just as in 1976, there is no way to predict the future and know how bad this flu will be, and how important taking the vaccine will be to combat it. People make decisions, and decisions carry risks. Everyone needs to decide for themselves what they want to do, but it should not be because some demagogue told them to think the way he does.

I don't know if warnings against the flu vaccine are well founded because I have no expertise in that area. I will trust the CDC before I will trust some political bag of wind.

Every year my husband will get the flu shot and I won't!

No plans to change!

What good post.

I think there is a lot of fear on both sides of this issue, and not unfounded. Personally, I think that it is very healthy to question and debate. Top scientist on both sides seem to be divided on the H1N1 vaccine. As for a lay-person, it is very difficult to sort out what is truth and what is not.



I think that we need criers in the street. Can you imagine what would happen if no body questioned any thing? From what I have read, the extremist might have a valid point.



I do think a lot about my grandmother and great grandmother. It's funny, but they nursed us all through every flu & etc., without catching anything. I have come to believe that they developed an immunity to everything, but life. Both lived to be over 100.

I do not seem to have much faith in our system, because of past behavior. Have you ever looked into the experiments that our government not only allowed, but sanctioned? The past history disturbs me a lot. The unethical experimentation that took place during the Cold-War era is an example. Because of this, I find that I question many things. ...and that is why I am wondering about the "new life-saving" vaccine.

Do you think that the experiments have stopped? ...or are they so new that the remain classified? Sometimes I wonder about this. Don't you? Only time will tell. I am not for sure that I want to be one of their "test subjects."



Everyone...keep reading...Whatever you decide, your decision to take the H1N1 vaccine should be an imformed choice, not one born out of fear.



Shebee

Well, you just did single me out or why would you highlight my text?

NiteOwl -

I replied to the topic because the information in here is just plain wrong. And, if I find information that I think is going to benefit us all, I will post it. It's not necessarily about swaying opinion, it's about sharing useful information and hopefully discussing it and learning from it.... Isn't this how we learn from eachother? How many people have gathered useful information from the bhrt threads? Those threads are mostly confrontational (I dont know why), but do we need to stop contributing to those threads as well? Infact, should we just stop contributing at all?

Woud you like me to post your PMs too?

It's strange that you can call other people a liar. And if you're a nurse, I'm a brain surgeon.


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I'm sorry..but this still isnt' from me...I do not sell any products. I am a pediatric research nurse at Bradley Hospital in Rhode Island. We work with Brown Medical school. I attend daily meetings with the State department of health and via satalite from both the WHO and CDC. YOu are right in all your facts about the WHo saying it will affect over 2 BILLION this year...the reason the numbers are so low is because its been summer in the northern hemisphere..usually, by the way when the flu virus dies. THis one did not. It has continued to kill in the southern hemisphere and they are expecting the worse by the middle of October. IF you go to www.flu.gov you will find a list of ingredients, as well as many archived videos from the cdc, WHO and medical experts talking about the flu and the process they went through with this vaccine etc...BECOME informed.

Best to all. Hope it's a safe and happy winter for you and yours.

Lisa

In my opinion, when it comes to something as serious as the health of your family, I would recommend speaking directly to your family physician regarding such things as the flu and H1N1 vaccine.

Thankfully I have a very good doctor, but even he admits that the info regarding the swine flu virus is limited because it is a new virus.

I'm in the same boat, but I will take my physican's recommendations and do my own research and decide how to proceed that way. Certainly would not make a decision as important as this by reading a forum post or two.

Ultimately, it's your own choice but you need to be informed, right?

Yes, we all need to be informed and make our own choices... but it doesn't hurt to share accurate and up to date information.... and I hope we can all do that. I dont know about you but I learn from group discussions and try to keep an open mind... I'd like to think so anyway..

Not getting involved in the swine flu debate here but Lisa I am very confused because I've just seen an identical post from you on FB to the one EP posted above that she said you PM-d her on PS. It was posted on another members page in response to Birthday wishes someone sent you.

Also there is another message on the same person's page to EP saying you sell Arbonne not Avon products and signed Lisa. All very peculiar!

Perhaps somebody is logging in to PS & FB as you?

I'm very impressed with all your posts on this thread, Shebee. You've obviously done a lot of your own research, which is what we all should do. You're head is not stuck in the sand and you have a genuine thirst for information. That's a great quality to have. You have learned from past history that the leaders of our country have not always acted in our best interests. I think you're right about our Grandmothers. They were probably a lot healthier than we are. Keep up the good work and make an informed decision.

Just realized my CBS "60 minutes"swine flu 1976 didn't work.You have to see this so history doesn't repeat itself!I trust Mike Wallace.Just google it !!! I'de like to know what you think.

Well ,, they started with the vaccines in Australia I think I'll watch the news reports before getting vaccinated.. hmmmm

i also heard that taking vit. D, 1000 i.u.'s, once a day is the best way to go against the flu, and i'm ordering them asap

Oh NO the Aussies are guinea pigs!

lumz, I thought I would post that link again for you. Hope this one works. I watched it and have to agree with you 100 percent. EVERYONE should see this before deciding to get this shot.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTOXkyaFv4

I thought the Australian flu season was over??I know christmas is in the middle of their summer.

OMG!! I had forgotten how ridiculously scary those ads from 1976 were. I can remember my grandparents being so frightened as my grandpa was in his 80s at the time and my grandma in her 70s.

Listening to this and Dr. Ron Paul, I know that me and my family are not getting this shot. I think being careful and using common sense will continue to be my protection against any kind of flu.

Thanks Texasgirl.

Dr.OZ talks about swine flu on his new show tomorrow.

Dr.OZ what an endorsement! I respect his choice but I couldn't watch.At least middle aged menopausal woman were not on the list of people who "should" get immunized.Glad I'm not pregnant right now.Think I'll get some probiotics too.

I think it is important to look at both sides.We can't pretend there isn't some risk in these vaccines.The two ingredients I am most concerned about are murcury and alluminum for both can effect the central nervous system.I'm guessing that's why people got "Guillian Barre"syndrome as a side affect in the 1976 scare.I'm going to try to keep my mind open but I'm not going to just follow the crowd.Also someone was questioning what ajuvants are:Adjuvants are compounds added to vaccines to boost the body's immune response to the vaccine.

Lumz:

I agree that everyone should make their decisions based on what they believe and what they feel is right for them.

I do have to tell you what the doctor told me my mom (he has been practicing since 1969). He said that he felt that this swine flu thing is a big hype up because the government now feels the need to beinvolved intensely in our healthcare and that by scaring the stuffing out of his and offering us a way to fix at the same time. He said that the same thing happened in 1976 and backfired. He also said that these days there are approximately 15 strains of flu virus around every year. The seasonal flu vaccine protects against 2 strains at the most. He also said that the swine flu has been around for many years, what makes it any different this year except that maybe the American people will push hard for Obama's healthcare reform and allow the government to fix us!

Who knows who is right, only time will tell.

Interesting thoughts but the whole world is getting this hype/warnings (whichever camp you are in) too, not just the US, so I don't think it can be to do with your healthcare issues alone. Here in the UK we had just the same extreme media attention. It's been on the decline here over the summer & gone quiet but they expect a second wave this winter.

[quote name='TidalWaves' date='Aug 18 2009, 04:58 PM' post='304936']
High fever, bad cough, sore throat is what we were told just today by a Health Dept. nurse.

We actually had a death in my county just 2 weeks ago. A healthy, 21 year old boy died from the swine flu.

Dr's didn't know what was wrong with him. He was hospitalized and he died while in the hospital.

Did they ever figure out what exactly happened to cause him to die from the swine flu? I am worried now since my 16 year old daughter has asthma and "they" say that it's riskier for those with asthma to get it. She can't take any of the vaccines due to egg allergies. I wonder if the antivirals would cause her to have a bad reaction? I really pray she doesn't get it - it is making me anxious for her sake.
Thanks, Sandy

What about Squalene? (Adjuvants_)

Aug 09...

This wasn an article that I ran across....
http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Peace-Stud...logical-warfare


Dept. of D says that no squalene will be in their mandatory H1N1 shots.

That definitely makes you think twice! My daughter has only been in school one week and she had to read about the dangers of swine flu and why you should get vaccinated then answer questions for homework.Then she had to circle one of these"How afraid are you of swine flu?1.not afraid,2.very afraid,3.extremely afraid.She's 12yrs old.I wanted to send back an article and say How afraid of this vaccine are you;1,2 or3? but I respect the other parent's and I tell her honestly my concerns but I tell her not to scare the kids who have decided to vaccinate their children.So you can't say the government isn't involved.It really shouldn't be done at school!!It should be done in a proper medical environment were they can respond to any immediate reactions.I understand disease is scary,I'm scared but I don't think it's fair to use pier pressure in this way!

Sorry I mean kids that ae getting vaccinated.

I have read a lot of articles, from the scare you to death type, to the "most cases are mild" type.

I have never taken a flu shot. I have never had the flu.

I worry about a vaccine that was hardly tested. Even if it seems safe for most..what happens down the road? Nobody can tell you that.

What bothers me is the FDA has approved many, many, many drugs with serious side effects. All you have to do is watch a few drug commercials. By the time the list the side affects, what it is supposed to be treating sounds mild. How many drugs have they pulled off the market in the past several years? You know why that is, right? They werent tested long enough for these deaths to occur in their test dummies.

Another thing is, that as mentioned in some posts, these flus change. Then the vaccine doesnt work.

And one more thing..I have psoriasis in a mild form, but get it in a bad place (you dont have to ask where.."there"). Psoriasis is an auto immune disease. Our immune system is out of whack. I would have to think long and hard before taking a hardly tested drug, that might not work..and could make my out of whack immune system even whackier? Let me tell ya, its no picnic to feel like you are sitting on hot coals..and have to walk around, bottomless.

I dont think I want the vaccine..yet, I fear for my many grandchildren. I dont know what to tell my kids and have sent them articles of both kinds. I am afraid to tell them not to let their kids take it...and I am afraid to tell them to let them get it. The same with my husband who has a few ailments. I dont want to tell him not to take it, either. He is in and out houses all day. He does get the regular flu shot. I guess if I see people around me getting deathly ill. I just might decide to take it...at some point, unless I get the flu first. But right now..I am not taking it.

Ok, I am sure this helped no one..lol

One more article against taking the shot.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi119.html

They just announced the second wave of swine flu has started over here in the UK
Kids are back to school!

I know how really bothered you are by all this swine flu stuff Squiggles.......Just build up your immune system as well as you can with vitamin D3, Omega's and C and then even if you get it, hopefully your body will accept it mildly and you'll be fine.

There is only so much we can do to avoid it, don't worry.

hugs

Caz

Thanks Caz - I guess you are right :/

great article on reuters .. yes of course its been tested on humans .. come on guys

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNew...lBrandChannel=0

this was a good article; also the one about the leading Doctor's theory that it is not going to be as bad as the regular type of influenzas. There is a whole section on Reuters devoted to the Swine Flu...it was on there.

I wonder if this vaccine has been tested on people who made it and distribute it?

Or only on the general public?

My daughter is an ER nurse and the whole staff got a REGULAR flu shot yesterday. She told me today they are all refusing the Swine flu shot, though. The regular one was mandatory for them but the Swine flu shot is voluntary at the hospital she works at. I was very glad to hear that!

Another article I read said that it was tested on the developers.. this vaccine was created exactly the way they create the normal flu shots we get every year. You know the flu shots they give us every year have to be built every year ? its never the same shot every year .. they pick the flu strains they "THINK" are going to hit us .. (and yes there is more than one virus in the regular flu shot every year) then they develope it into a vaccine .. Im not sure why everyone is freaking out about the H1N1 vaccine. I am giong to wait a week or 2 and hope I dont catch it .. but I think after the preliminary statistics start comming in Im going to take me and my family and get one ( provided the statistics are favorible of course ) my only concern is this ,, 1. I hope i dont catch it by waiting to long (lots of kids are sick at the school already). and 2. if this was going to be a mild form of flu,, why the rush to create so much vaccine so quickly ?? just caution ? I wonder ,, hmmm

Poor first nations people[here in canada].They asked for supplies in the isolated communities and they sent up a bunch of body bags!They said they want to try to use some of their traditional medicine.You've got to respect that.Have one confirmed case ,he made it through fine.But didn't say much else about the case.

WOW! Just looked this up. It is true! I don't know whether to laugh or cry?





How horrible! At first I started laughing...it seemed ludicrous; I think that it immediately put me into a state of shock!

Then it hit me. Then I felt like crying!




"Health Canada apologizes for the body bags..."



I think that I would first try the Essiac 7 herb tea, an ancient Canadian Ojibway Indian herbal formula. Nurse Rene Caisse has quite a story to tell. It is worth the yahoo/google search.

Shebee

Oh, well....I started looking around. Don't worry America, we are prepared, too!

Austin's Dell Children's Medical Center is in the process of setting up tents to hold the "overflow" of patients with Swine flu. It made the front page here today. Personally, I wish the media would stop talking about it. Enough already! Do you think they're TRYING to scare all of us or "prepare" us? I watch the World News on ABC everynight and there hasn't been ONE day that Charlie Gibson has not had a segment on Swine flu. Anyone else think this is getting rediculus? Especially since the Swine flu has been proven to be NO MORE DANGEROUS than the regular flu.

BTW......... IF our hospitals actually do start "overflowing" with Swine flu patients, and this actually does turn out to be something out of one of those "disaster movies", I'll be the first on here to say "I WAS WRONG."

What bothers me more than the reporting is the conflicting information. Some reports say that this flu is mild and others are calling it deadly. Many reports seem to say more people die from regular flu....and some reports mention this flu attacks the lungs and those who have died have had infections deep in the lungs. Also, some reports will say people who have died had another illness..and others say they didnt.

You dont know who to believe.

I have never taken a flu shot and never had the flu. My husband takes the shot..and never had the flu. He wants this swine shot, I dont. However, if people start dropping like flies in this area, I might reconsider..if it isnt too late.

As far as them setting up tents...you only need to be hospitalized if you have severe flu that has progressed well into the lungs (which doesnt seem to be all that many, considering the count they give is worldwide). Most people are being treated at home with either nothing or tamaflu.

I would think, doctors wouldnt even want you to come in, since you could be spreading it. I know the local pediatrician, sees chicken pox patients, having them come in a side door, to a room where no other person can come in contact with them. Unless doctors do this, it wouldnt be smart to have these flu people sitting in waiting rooms.

One more thing. They havent tested this vaccine for a long period of time..who knows what affect it could have on people years from now.

i appreciate this ongoing conversation. i think it is prudent to prepare for the worst & hope for the best, & for people to educate themselves about the vaccine decision as they continue to be vigilant in taking preventative exposure steps. the other thread about staying home when one is sick is a good reminder as well.

my dh & i usually get flu shots - we had a nasty flu some years ago & would prefer to avoid such a repeat. plus, my dh is a health care worker, so his exposure to such things is high. we have had some trepidations about the h1n1 vaccines, based in part by our limited understanding of the serious side-effects of the last swine flu vaccinations in the mid/late 70s. now, his place of employment has given all employees the following choice: wear a mask while at work from oct-april, or get vaccinated. he works at a long-term acute care facility & they are clearly approaching this in a very serious manner.

my own doctor is vaccinating her children even though she does not have them vaccinated for the seasonal flu. the unpredictability of the virus (ie- it's scope of severity, potential to spread quickly) coupled with the difficulty in getting kids to adhere to preventative measures seemed to be the factors that influenced her decision.

i am wondering if anyone has more info on this vaccine vs the last swine flu one - was the fact that the prior one was made w/a live virus a factor in some of the serious neurological consequences that were seen? or do they simply not know what happened? i have no idea what % of people had problems & don't intend to scare anyone here - just thinking out loud & trying to gather more info as we continue to think about how to proceed.