I don't want to be first in line...LOL!



Did anyone read this?
vaccine lot (A80CA007A) has been pulled...Manitoba health officials say severe allergic reactions...
http://www.canadaeast.com/front/article/862973


Adjuvanted Vaccine Consent Form...just for your information...

http://ottawa.ca/residents/health/conditio..._consent_en.pdf


I gotta quit reading. Last week I read about the 2010 Birth Club.

There are a lot of videos on youtube from experts around the world. It has been interesting to watch some of them.


Most of the stuff that I find, I don't post.

I think all the info on here, good or bad, is enough to scare anyone! I am a bit scared about contacting the swine flu. BUT there is NOTHING I can do, if I do get it but take care of myself and see a doctor if it gets bad. Both myself and my husband have had some sort of virus..was it the swine flu? I dont know. But they are saying if you have had ANY sort of cold or gastro flu since April, chances are you have already been exposed. You don't have to have a fever to have swine flu! It hits everyone differently, and children and teens are harder hit.

All you can do is either make the choice to get the vaccine, make sure to wash, wash, wash your hands, keep your immunity up with vitamins, less stress, lots of rest and water and try to avoid ill people! The regular flu kills thousands of people each year, as does cancer! Yes the swine flu CAN be bad for people with compromised immune systems, the young, etc. so its YOUR choice whether to get the vaccine or not. Frankly, I myself choose not to get it. Maybe that's a dumb decision according to some, but that's MY choice. I have never received a flu or pneumonia vaccine and I work in an Emergency room.

Telling people that if you don't get the vaccine you have the chance of dying, is ludacris! I could walk out my door and get hit by a car..but if it's my time, then it's my time. No one knows for sure if the vaccine is safe or not..only time will tell. As of now, it looks to be safe. But I do think certain people on these boards need to stop filling peoples minds with fear and false info. All you can do is what you can to be safe during flu season.

More and more allergic reaction reports are surfacing. Just like in the 70's. Back then millions were paid out in settlements.

The majority of these people are recovering from the reaction...but what many don't know is that these patients will now have a life long issue with certain foods/pharmaceuticals because of it.

You are right. I have been hearing about it almost daily on the news. I am so glad that me and my family did not take it!!!

Yes, you're right; there are many people having bad reactions. Currently, it looks like we have a Total Media Blackout concerning the reactions. Only a handful of stores drip through the media's filters, and the stories that do get through is because the media just can't help themselves. LOL! Wouldn't it be nice to just hear the truth about everything for once?


If you look around, please don't be freaked out about this stuff, just have a healthy concern. I am not posting this stuff to cause fear, it was only interesting to me.



I was looking around last week and stumbled upon a few sites. Here are only a few. This stuff is cropping up all over the net. (more that I care to read about...)

Bird Flu Pandemic

BabyCenter Community

Miscarriage / Pregnancy Loss Blog

Health Freedom Alliance

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine, Possible Side Effects and the Potential Dangers of Squalene

Canadians for Health Freedom

Facebook Group - h1n1 Vaccine Reactions

organichealthadviser


Ok...if you want an interesting story....

One concerning event was about the current Ukraine Plague. I read where it is NOT h1n1, but a pneumonic plague. It is fast moving and hits the lungs. Last count that I saw put it at 1608603. Many have died, many are infected, and many have been hospitilized. I read where even the Ukraine's navy has been crippled. There are many eye-witness reports of being sprayed with a mysterious substance before the outbreak. The Local newspapers of Kiev also received hundreds of phone calls from residents and business owners close to the area the planes were spraying the suspicious substance. Conspiracy or fact?


Nevertheless, http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html it does look like they are under martial law and blogs reporting on the pandemic and swine flu vaccinations in the Ukraine have shut down.

It's funny, but has anyone heard about this? This is a major news story!




This information is no secret; just take a look around.

Now, the most interesting story of late, that I come across,was about a microbiologist that was with the Israeli intelligence. His name was Joseph Moshe.

Evidently he called a radio station back in August and claimed that one of the big phar. companies would release a bioweapon in a vaccine in the Ukraine area. It would contain genes from the 1918 Spanish Flu virus that may cause hemorrhaging in the lungs. He said he had proof and wanted to get it to somebody. When he noticed agents outside his house, he packed up the information and was trying to get this information to someone. Even the ron paul website mentioned it as a "strange case".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4Sl_3ceXs...PL&index=49

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/103966



Anyway, being a news junkie, I come across all sort of information. It is really hard to sort out the truth. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, just like everyone else, but there has been quite a number of "whistle-blowers" out there that seem to keep disappearing, dying, and etc. I hope this is just a nutty conspiracy! I would like to think that government is looking out for all of us.


If you are interested yahoo search Influenza and the Cytokine Storm. Evidently if you do get h1n1, you should not take immune building herbs or etc. during that time.

LOL! Anyway, let me know what you think....and afterward, we'll try to get this thread back on track.

To Shebee and anyone else interested...I took my youngest daughter in for a check-up on Monday. After the Dr's exam, a nurse walked in carrying a shot and TOLD me that my daughter NEEDED the H1N1 vaccine. I said NO and she didn't argue, but I'm afraid if I had not been in the room, she would have given it to her. I asked her if there were very many patients refusing the shot, and she said yes. Needless to say, we left there with our peace-of-mind intact.

Hi there...I'm glad you didn't get the high pressure treatment. It's lovely when you can find a doc that will listen to you instead of dictate to you. LOL! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Best wishes,
Shebee

I was reading something about this a couple of months ago. A group of European scientists went over to the Ukraine to investigate what they thought might be a mutation of the h1N1 virus. It raised suspicians here because of a steep increase in sick and dying ukranians. I'll see if I can find it back.

I found the article.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-New...s=searchresults

That was an interesting article. Wonder what is next?
I read in our local newspaper today that the CDC is saying the vaccine is very safe BUT there have 171 deaths from the vaccine and 4 cases of Guillien Barre Syndrome (sp?).
As far as the television media, suddenly they are reporting nothing!

Actually you have your facts wrong. THere have been no deaths from the h1n1 vaccine, nor have there been any cases of guillian barre syndrome this time around. Back in the 70's yes..not now. THere was one reported case, but she didn't have h1n1 she had a regular virus and that is what caused it. It's what can usually trigger g. barre...

I work with the cDC everyday...they are saying this h1n1 is going to come in waves..we're in the middle of one..then it will softly die down, then another big wave the end of Dec. into Feb...then another the end of March to May...it will wax and wane and keep coming back....so if you don't get the shot now, and it starts to fade please still be very careful..hand wash as often as possible...stay out of crowds etc...

a 50 yo male just died here in RI in the past few days from h1n1...no prior medical history...perfectly healthy..9th death in little RI in past month...

Just be careful and take precautions...we all want our friends and family to remain safe and healthy.

Lisa

GlaxoSmithKline has advised doctors in Canada to stop using a batch of its swine flu vaccine, amid reports of severe side-effects in some patients.

The batch of some 170,000 doses was put on voluntary hold because of a reported higher than usual number of patients having anaphylactic reactions.

This may include breathing problems, raised heart rate and skin rashes.

The pharmaceutical company said it had advised that one lot of the Arepanrix vaccine should not be used.

Reports said one in 20,000 people suffered adverse reactions to the batch.

This is five times the expected number. None of the patients reportedly suffered long-term ill-effects.

Voluntary hold

In a statement issued on Tuesday, the company said that following discussions with Canadian health authorities, it was advising a batch of the Arepanrix vaccine with the lot number A80CA007A to be put on hold as a precautionary measure.

GSK said it was taking this action "as a result of a higher than expected rate of serious allergic reactions related to this lot number compared to other lots".

The company said no such reactions had been seen with other lots and that they were unaffected by the voluntary hold.

To date some 15 million doses of Arepanrix have been distributed across Canada and overall the frequency of severe allergic reaction following immunisation was less than one event per 100,000, GSK's statement said.

"This rate does not exceed the rates typically reported for other vaccines," GSK said.

Examiner Bio NIH declares H1N1 vaccine safe: Now the ROTS( Rest Of The Story)
November 3, 1:29 PMAtlanta Woman to Woman ExaminerPatricia Walston

How safe is safe? And safe for whom? While many are saying it is safe; there are other reports that indicate that as many as 30,000 people could be expected by the CDC to experience severe side effects from the H1N1 virus vaccine. The FDA is providing a phone number for severe side effects and how to get compensation for any such effects just in case. See below.



A report saying they do not expect the same number of people in 2009 to be affected by GBS (Guillain-Barre Syndrome) as in 1976; two other studies did demonstrate a small risk of approximately 1 additional case of GBS per 1 million persons vaccinated. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/providers_qa.htm



Dr. Anthony Fauci stated this morning on CBS’s Early Show that with millions of people vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine, it has proved safe; however, one statement made by him leaves one wondering. “What is the end of the story?” He pointed to a study of pregnant woman that more than 90 percent of the patients who got the vaccine mounted "a response that you would have predicted?" One would ask, what are those predictions? (See article below regarding additional findings and warnings.)



You will find known side effects and what to do in case of severe reactions; even a phone number where you may be compensated if you are adversely affected. Remember that the makers of this vaccine; the government and the provider are protected by law and given immunity from prosecution in case of extreme adverse results.




Dr. Anthony Fauci stated that people should not worry about getting the vaccine because they have deemed it safe and effective. (See below) He also indicted that a single dose of the H1N1 produces a standard response in providing immunity. However, this was from the clinical trial which involved far fewer individuals receiving the immunization; and did not mention any possible long term effects. He said there was strong data indicating the vaccination will protect you; but was a little shy of explaining any adverse side effects experienced from those taking the shot. He said this was not a new vaccine as it was produced in the same way as others in the past.

CDC: What you should know about H1N1 http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downl...-inact-h1n1.pdf

Many are complaining about the vaccine shortages in light of terrorist prisoners in Cuba receiving the vaccine when it is not available to children in nursery school and regular schools. The argument being it was to protect those in charge of the prison – a host on Fox News indicated she had an appointment for her children to receive the vaccine; and was told there were none available at that time; but the prisoners at Gitmo would get theirs. She said, “Well, let them give the vaccine to the guards, and let the prisoners wait like the children have to.”

While they tell you to report any adverse problems with the vaccine, will it be like in the case with all those whose daughters took the Gardasil shot to prevent cervical cancer and either died or were injured permanently; but the reports did not result in this drug being taken off the market. It seems a certain amount of adverse reactions are acceptable to them. And there are still those who wish to see it mandatory for girls as young as 9 years old like the mumps and measles shots. Gardasil is manufactured by Merck who is just coming off a massive liability paying out huge sums of money with regard to their pulled drug, Vioxx.



Schools continue to close because of the outbreak of flu – last week it was reported that some 600 schools were closed for periods of time due to the flu. With all the teachers and principals have on their plates already, now they are responsible to help prevent the spread among their students; by making sure sick kids go home and stay there until they are no longer contagious.

The CDC reported that 19 children died last week from the flu bringing the total of deaths to children up to 114. Some of these children had underlying health problems. Many parents are very concerned about the vaccine – from either perspective. This flu seems to attack the lungs and anyone who is already compromised with lung problems is likely to have complications. Many parents are between a rock and a hard place in deciding if their children, who are healthy, should continue going to school if there is an outbreak at the school; since so many have not received the immunization. About 600 schools have shut their doors already for a period of time during this flu season due to an outbreak of the H1N1 virus.


“With the trend expected to continue, school closings will almost certainly exceed last spring's total of 700 - despite federal officials recommending at the beginning of the school year that schools stay open and not disrupt normal activities for the pandemic.”



While the TV docs say there are mild reactions to the flu vaccine, they stop short of saying what they are. They merely say the reactions are similar to the seasonal flu shot. Below are comments from a report which indicates the concerns of those not wishing to take the vaccine and some responses from the medical community.

This is a report from London Associated Press

“Hundreds of people on any given day will die, develop the paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome or have spontaneous abortions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that their swine flu vaccination shot was to blame, a new study says.

They found that in Britain, for every 10 million people who might get the swine flu shot, about 22 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome and 6 unexplained deaths will likely occur within 6 weeks of vaccination - and probably won't be caused by the vaccine.

In the U.S., experts expect that for every 1 million pregnant women who get the swine flu shot, 397 will have a spontaneous abortion within a day.” (my comment....I looked at the 2010 baby birth club....)



Only if the rates of these events exceed these baseline numbers should experts suspect the vaccine might be responsible."

So what is an expecting mother to do? Many are looking for the single dose hypodermic which does not contain any preservative which seems to be what causes any adverse side effects. However, now there are shortages of both; but even more so these vaccines.

London AP report: “People die every day for lots of reasons, but we tend not to think about that when a mass immunization campaign is happening," said Steven Black of Cincinnati Children's Hospital in Ohio, one of the paper's authors. "We're not saying we don't need to look at vaccine safety, but let's do it judiciously. Black, like several of the study's authors, received grants from companies that make swine flu vaccine.



Mass immunization campaigns for diseases like measles and yellow fever have frequently been undermined by rumors that the vaccines cause dangerous side effects. Still, rumors may also mask legitimate vaccine concerns. In Nigeria, fears that the oral polio vaccine causes HIV were unfounded but concern about the vaccine was not entirely unwarranted: it does cause polio in rare instances.

The greatest danger ahead is that there will be coincidental events between (swine flu) vaccination and adverse health events and people will draw conclusions that are not based on science," said Leonard Marcus of Harvard University's School of Public Health, an expert not linked to the study. (However, if someone dies from this vaccine; how do they base that on science? And what difference does it make to the survivors?)



Report continues: “Marcus said health officials must be vigilant in case any unforeseen side effects do pop up. When side effects happen to an individual, it's devastating. And it's human nature to want to link it to a recent vaccination," Marcus said. "But it's also possible to be compassionate without leaping to conclusions. Of the thousands of people so far who have received the swine flu vaccine worldwide, no side effects more serious than a sore arm, fever, or muscle pain have been reported.”


However this information is from the CDC regarding side effects from this vaccine – it seems there is a double message being put forth.



Are there any side effects to the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine?

“CDC expects that any side effects following vaccination with the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine would be rare. If side effects occur, they will likely be similar to those experienced following seasonal influenza vaccine. Mild problems that may be experienced include soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given, fainting (mainly adolescents), headache, muscle aches, fever, and nausea. If these problems occur, they usually begin soon after the shot and last 1-2 days. Life-threatening allergic reactions to vaccines are very rare. If they do occur, it is usually within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot is given.”

“After vaccination you should look for any unusual condition, such as a high fever or behavior changes. Signs of a serious allergic reaction can include difficulty breathing, hoarseness or wheezing, swelling around the eyes or lips, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness. If any unusual condition occurs following vaccination, seek medical attention right away. Tell your doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when the vaccination was given. Ask your doctor, nurse, or health department to report the reaction by filing a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) form. Or you can file this report yourself through the VAERS Web site at www.vaers.hhs.gov. You may call 1-800-822-7967 to receive a copy of the VAERS form. VAERS is not able to provide medical advice.”




A complete list of possible side effects from both the flu shot and the nasal spray (LAIV or Flu Mist) vaccines are below:

The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
Fever (low grade)
Aches
Nausea

If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. A federal program has been created to help pay for the medical care and other specific expenses of certain persons who have a serious reaction to this vaccine. For more information about this program, call 1-888-275-4772 or visit the program’s website at: http://www.hrsa.gov/countermeasurescomp/default.htm
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Go to this site and see the estimated number of people who could be adversely affected by this vaccine. Based on a percentage rate, it is estimated that if 300,000,000 people are vaccinated there could result in 300,000 dying or becoming maimed according to this report.
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option...105&lang=en


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=14950
This site indicates that the CDC expects as many as 30,000 people to suffer unfavorable side effects from the H1N1.



Woman to Woman: It is the intent of this writer to merely give information available and in no way is indicating that one should or should not get this vaccine. This has to be a matter for each individual to decide; knowing that with or without the vaccine, there are risks. One major complication from this vaccine has already occurred – the public not knowing who to believe when we are only given half the truths and information. What the government deems acceptable collateral damages to individuals – that don’t cut it when it is you or your loved one who is the collateral damage, huh? It is of little concern what the allowed percentages are versus the outcome if our own folks fall within that percentage.


Many times we just have to bite the bullet and make a decision; but it is better to make it with as much education and knowledge as possible.



“In all thy ways, acknowledge Him, (God) and He will direct thy paths.” God expects us to use the brain He gave us. He expects us to be informed – for knowledge is power – and many will take this vaccine with possible side effects; and many will choose not to take it with possibly of dire consequences. It could be a heads or tails either way. But still on that coin is the phrase, “In God we trust.” While this vaccine was manufactured for the masses – God did not create any two people just alike. This is a situation that should be bathed in prayer and then the decision made with good conscience that one is doing the right thing – either way. This is one of those times when we must decide for ourselves.

Sources CBS News and London Associated Press News





http://www.examiner.com/x-26504-Atlanta-Wo...st-Of-The-Story

I am ready for some good new...how about you????

UPDATE......



Flu Pandemic Much Milder Than Expected


by Richard Knox
December 8, 2009 (NPR news)



As federal health agencies launch a big campaign to convince more Americans to get flu shots, new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and outside analysts indicate this pandemic is much milder than officials expected or have let on so far.

"It is probably going to be the mildest pandemic on record — compared to the three that happened in the 20th century," says Dr. Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health and co-author of a new analysis in the journal Public Library of Science.

There are a number of ways to measure how severe — or mild — a flu pandemic is. One way is to look at the proportion of the population that gets sick. The season isn't over yet, but so far it's been less than 8 percent.

It is probably going to be the mildest pandemic on record.

- Dr. Marc Lipsitch, Harvard School of Public Health

Lipsitch says assuming the virus doesn't change, it's reasonable to expect that between 10 percent and 20 percent of the population will become sick from it.

"[That's] toward the upper end of a typical flu season," he says, but still not as bad as was anticipated.

Another measure is the number of people who get sick enough to require hospital care. Lipsitch says if 15 percent of Americans get this flu, "then we would expect anywhere from about 70,000 up to over 600,000 hospitalizations."

He says the figure will probably end up somewhere in the middle, about where we'd be in a typical flu season.



The most important measure is how many people die. Last spring, experts thought it was entirely possible swine flu would kill 1 out of every 100 people who got the virus.

"We now know that's at least twentyfold too high and probably more than twentyfold too high," he says.

In fact, the death rate from swine flu so far has actually been less than the death rate during the average flu season. It's around 1 out of every 2,000 who've gotten sick, perhaps fewer.



The big difference this year is that most of those deaths have been among children, teenagers and adults under age 50. Flu typically kills mostly people older than 65.

But that's not because this flu is more severe among children and young adults, as many think. It's simply because many more young people are getting the flu than usual.

"And what you find is that the pandemic is making more kids sick. But it's killing a smaller percentage of the kids it makes sick than it is of the adults and seniors it makes sick," says Peter Sandman, an expert in risk communication.

He says the CDC has been reluctant to acknowledge that swine flu has been much milder than expected.



"The CDC may be thinking, you know, 'There are already millions of people who plan not to get vaccinated because they think the pandemic is mild, and if we announce as the official health agency of the U.S. government that the pandemic is mild, then even fewer people will get vaccinated and some of those people will die,' " he says.

Not so, says the head of the CDC, Dr. Thomas Frieden.

"I think we've been completely transparent with what we think is happening. I think we have a difference of opinion on whether that is mild or severe," he says.

He points out that the CDC has counted more than 250 deaths among children. (Did they die of the flu or bacterial complications or something else? CDC Stats are not good differentiating this. My comment...)

"Any flu season that kills at least three times more children than a usual flu season — I think it would be very misleading to describe that as mild," he says.

But Frieden agrees that perception is what matters. The more people think the pandemic threat is over, the fewer who will get vaccinated. Experts worry that could increase the chance of a third wave of swine flu early next year.



CBS news concurs... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/08/...3A+CBSNews.com)
Just for your information....

Amen to the good news!!!!!!!!!!

My family and I got the H1N1 shot and no side effects what so ever. The nurse told me if they had had the vaccine in time, they would have just put it int he regular flu shot. I get that every year. I had pneumonia a few years back and that was bad so I was glad I could get the shot. I was also happy my 19 year old got the shot as younger people are having more problems with this flu.

Mopsy

Hi Mopsy, this is really a personal decision to vax or not to vax and should remain that way.

It is very difficult to sort through all of this information. It does disturb me that the Military Personnel are Banned From viewing the H1N1 Vaccine Sites and the lack of truthful media reporting. I hope you got the batch number and your vaccine did not contain adjuvants.



But the good news...

So far, it looks like the H1n1 is a mild flu.

Shebee

Counting on tamiflu? We'd better think again.


Does this never stop?


So now we find that tamiflu does not work. The FDA directed Roche to state on the drug’s label the following caveat: “Tamiflu has not been proven to have a positive impact on the potential consequences (such as hospitalizations, mortality, or economic impact) of seasonal, avian, or pandemic influenza.”



http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912u/tamiflu



Tamiflu anti-viral drug revealed as complete hoax; Roche studies based on scientific fraud
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) When it comes to selling chemicals that claim to treat H1N1 swine flu, the pharmaceutical industry's options are limited to two: Vaccines and anti-virals. The most popular anti-viral, by far, is Tamiflu, a drug that's actually derived from a Traditional Chinese Medicine herb called star anise.

But Tamiflu is no herb. It's a potentially fatal concentration of isolated chemical components that have essentially been bio-pirated from Chinese medicine. And when you isolate and concentrate specific chemicals in these herbs, you lose the value (and safety) of full-spectrum herbal medicine.

That didn't stop Tamiflu's maker, Roche, from trying to find a multi-billion-dollar market for its drug. In order to tap into that market, however, Roche needed to drum up some evidence that Tamiflu was both safe and effective.

Roche engages in science fraud
Roche claims there are ten studies providing Tamiflu is both safe and effective. According to the company, Tamiflu has all sorts of benefits, including a 61% reduction in hospital admissions by people who catch the flu and then get put on Tamiflu.

The problem with these claims is that they aren't true. They were simply invented by Roche.

A groundbreaking article recently published in the British Medical Journal accuses Roche of misleading governments and physicians over the benefits of Tamiflu. Out of the ten studies cited by Roche, it turns out, only two were ever published in science journals. And where is the original data from those two studies? Lost.



The data has disappeared. Files were discarded. The researcher of one study says he never even saw the data. Roche took care of all that, he explains.


So the Cochrane Collaboration, tasked with reviewing the data behind Tamiflu, decided to investigate. After repeated requests to Roche for the original study data, they remained stonewalled. The only complete data set they received was from an unpublished study of 1,447 adults which showed that Tamiflu was no better than placebo. Data from the studies that claimed Tamiflu was effective was apparently lost forever.

As The Atlantic reports, that's when former employees of Adis International (essentially a Big Pharma P.R. company) shocked the medical world by announcing they had been hired to ghost-write the studies for Roche.

It gets even better: These researchers were told what to write by Roche!



As one of these ghostwriters told the British Medical Journal:

"The Tamiflu accounts had a list of key messages that you had to get in. It was run by the [Roche] marketing department and you were answerable to them. In the introduction ...I had to say what a big problem influenza is. I'd also have to come to the conclusion that Tamiflu was the answer."

In other words, the Roche marketing department ran the science and told researchers what conclusions to draw from the clinical trials. Researchers hired to conduct the science were controlled by the marketing puppeteers. No matter what they found in the science, they had already been directed to reach to conclusion that "Tamiflu was the answer."

Now, I don't know about you, but where I come from, we call this "science fraud." And as numerous NaturalNews investigations have revealed, this appears to be the status quo in the pharmaceutical industry.

Virtually none of the "science" conducted by drug companies can be trusted at all because it really isn't science in the first place. It's just propaganda being dressed up to look like science.

Sadly, even the CDC has been fooled by this clinical trial con. As stated by author Shannon Brownlee in The Atlantic:

"...the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention appears to be operating in some alternative universe, where valid science no longer matters to public policy. The agency's flu recommendations are in lockstep with Roche's claims that the drug can be life-saving -- despite the FDA's findings and despite the lack of studies to prove such a claim. What's more, neither the CDC nor the FDA has demanded the types of scientific studies that could definitively determine whether or not the company's claims are true: that Tamiflu reduces the risk of serious complications and saves lives. Nancy Cox, who heads the CDC's flu program, told us earlier this year she opposes a placebo-controlled study (in which one half of patients would be given Tamiflu and the other half would be given placebo), because the drug's benefits are already proven."



Did you catch that last line? The CDC isn't interested in testing Tamiflu because "the drug's benefits are already proven." Except they aren't. But this is how the pharmaceutical industry operates:

Step 1) Fabricate evidence that your drug works.
Step 2) Use that fraudulent evidence to get your drug approved.
Step 3) Use fear to create consumer demand for your drug (and encourage governments to stockpile it).
Step 4) Avoid any actual scientific testing by claiming the drug has already been proven to work (and cite your original fraudulent studies to back you up).



This is the recipe the CDC is following right now with Tamiflu. It's a recipe of scientific stupidity and circular logic, of course, but that seems to be strangely common in the medical community these days.

Even the FDA says Tamiflu doesn't work
The FDA, remarkably, hasn't entirely given in to the Tamiflu hoax. They required Roche to print the following disclaimer on Tamiflu lables -- a disclaimer that openly admits the drug has never been proven to work:

"Tamiflu has not been proven to have a positive impact on the potential consequences (such as hospitalizations, mortality, or economic impact) of seasonal, avian, or pandemic influenza."

Even further, an FDA spokesperson told the British Medical Journal, "The clinical trials... failed to demonstrate any significant difference in rates of hospitalization, complications, or mortality in patients receiving either Tamiflu or placebo."

It's the same message over and over again, like a broken record: Tamiflu doesn't work. And the "science" that says Tamiflu does work was all apparently fabricated from the start.

The Tamiflu stockpiling scandal
Junk science, though, is good enough for the U.S. government. Based on little more than fabricated evidence and Big Pharma propaganda, the U.S. government has spent $1.5 billion stockpiling Tamiflu. This turned out to be a great deal for Roche, but a poor investment for U.S. citizens who ended up spending huge dollars for a medicine that doesn't work.

As is stated in the Atlantic:

"Governments, public health agencies, and international bodies such as the World Health Organization, have all based their decisions to recommend and stockpile Tamiflu on studies that had seemed independent, but had in fact been funded by the company and were authored almost entirely by Roche employees or paid academic consultants."

Even if Tamiflu did work, there are Tamiflu-resistant strains of H1N1 are now circulating (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ca...).

The upshot of all this is that governments around the world are flushing billions of dollars down the drain stockpiling a drug that doesn't work -- a drug promoted via propaganda and scientific fraud.

This isn't the first time your government has wasted taxpayer dollars, of course (it seems to be what the U.S. government does best), but this example is especially concerning given that this was all done with the excuse that natural remedies are useless and only vaccines and Tamiflu can protect you from a viral pandemic.

But as it turns out, vaccines and Tamiflu are useless and only natural remedies really work. That's why so many informed people around the world have been stocking up on vitamin D, garlic, anti-viral tinctures and superfoods to protect themselves from a potential pandemic that most world governments remain clueless to prevent.

I find it fascinating that the governments of the world are stockpiling medicines that DON'T work, while the natural health people of the world are stockpiling natural remedies that DO work. If a real pandemic ever strikes our world, there's no question who the survivors will be (hint: it won't be the clueless chaps standing in line waiting for their Tamiflu pills...).

Which remedies really do work to boost immune function and protect the body from infectious disease? I've actually published a special report revealing my top five recommended remedies: (removed)

In addition to the remedies mentioned in that report, I also recommend high-dose vitamin D as well as the Viral Defense product from (removed)

I have no financial ties to any of the companies whose products are recommended here, by the way. Unlike the pharmaceutical industry, I don't operate purely for profit. My job is to get valuable information out to the People -- information that can help save lives and reduce suffering. This is the job the FDA and CDC should be doing but have long since abandoned in their betrayal of the American people.

Sources for this story include:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/2009...

ATLANTA, GA -- Health officials are recalling hundreds of thousands of doses of swine flu vaccine after tests indicated they may not be potent enough to protect against the virus.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified doctors about the recall Tuesday. The recall involves about 800,000 doses made by Sanofi Pasteur. The doses are pre-filled syringes intended for young children, ages 6 months to almost three years.

Health officials recommend children those ages get two doses, spaced about a month apart.

Health officials say it's not clear how many doses have already been given, but they don't think children need to be re-vaccinated. The lots passed potency tests when they were first shipped, but tests indicate the potency waned after.

(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)



Heard this on my local news today and retreived the story online at www.abc13.com.

Isnt this just ducky. Did they notice this problem before or after the children were vaccinated?

Did you know that you can give your pet cat the swine flu? Apparently it's transmissible to cats FROM humans now, but not the other way around fortunately. One more thing to worry about.

http://vetmedicine.about.com/b/2009/11/04/...flu-in-iowa.htm

I've always known that cats can catch human virus' ,, my cat will often get the flu if it is going around the family,, she was sick with one last month when we were all sniffling.

I read that! I never thought about a pet having the flu!

Also....Dogs and cats can carry methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) and transmit it to people.

all the more reason to get them to the groomers occassionally I suppose.

Did you know that recently that California American Water Celebrated 'No Drugs Down the Drain' Week in Sacramento?


For a long time now, I have been reading that much of our water supply is contaminated with Drugs. I knew people often a threw excess drugs down the toilet, but I did not realize that hospitals, clinics, & pharmacies routinely flush, too. In Illinois a law will go into effect on Jan 1., banning health care institutions from flushing unused medicine into wastewater systems.




Examiner Bio Drinking water supplies tainted by H1N1 vaccine overstock
December 21, 4:05 PMAtlanta by Katrina Derrico

Pharmaceuticals found in drinking water, affecting wildlife and maybe humans
No standards, no mandates to test, treat or limit pharmaceuticals in water
California American Water Celebrates 'No Drugs Down the Drain' Week in Sacramento

H1N1 vaccine liquidation sale now on: Hurry while supplies last!
A few weeks ago there was a waiting line for the H1N1 vaccine and some locations did not have the vaccine at all.
Now suddenly there seems to be an over abundance of this flu shot.
Marketability of a vaccine such as the H1N1 shot has very tight time restraint. The demand for such products are only during the “fear phase of a pandemic” and according to recent reports that fad has faded.

Those who received the vaccine are not reporting doing any better than those who did not receive the shot. The differences in mortality between those who were vaccinated and those who were not are not any different. In fact, the side effects of the H1N1 vaccine being reported in some cases are even more dangerous than the actual virus itself.


Where do Vaccine Overstock and Expired Shots go?

The U.S. Government has spent billions of dollars purchasing H1N1 vaccines that are being stockpiled away. Unfortunately, according to Natural News, this type of scenario usually results in one of two actions being taken:

Strategy #1 - Drum up more fear with the aim that it will boost consumer demand for vaccines. This can be accomplished by getting the mainstream media to highlight the few isolated cases of infants or children dying from H1N1 infections (all of whom are almost certainly vitamin D deficient, again).

Strategy #2 - Mandate mass vaccinations. This is unlikely to happen now that H1N1 appears to have fizzled out. The public won’t go for mandatory shots unless the situation gets a whole lot worse. Of course, Big Government can always force such mandates upon the public, but in the current political climate, such an effort would be met with a backlash of public protest.

Then there is always the third strategy, flushing excess and expired H1N1 vaccines down the drain. After all the hype, all the billions of dollars spent and all the fear mongering, a huge portion of these drugs are unfortunatly going to be disposed by essentially being flushed down the toilet, because that’s how hospitals, pharmacies and even drug makers get rid of excess and expired pharmaceuticals.
Polluting the environment with H1N1 vaccines.

In actuality many pharmaceuticals are disposed of in the public sewer systems each and every year. But eventually the sewage of one city turns into the drinking water of the next city downstream. Although all sewage is treated to EPA standards before being sent back into nature this does not keep our drinking water clear of all traces of these foreign chemicals.
According to a report by the Associated Press:

“A vast array of pharmaceuticals - including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones - have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

Traces of 56 human and veterinary pharmaceuticals or their byproducts - like the active ingredients in medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems - have been detected in Philadelphia's drinking water. Starting their winding journey in medicine cabinets and feed bins, they are what's left of drugs excreted or discarded from homes and washed from farms upriver


Tens of millions of Americans here and elsewhere drink water that has tested positive for minute concentrations of pharmaceuticals, and they don't even realize it, The Associated Press learned during a five-month investigation.
No EPA regulations
There are no EPA or FDA regulations that limit the dumping of vaccines directly into the public sewage system (a.k.a. drug disposal and DNA pollution). Dumping excess pharmaceuticals down the drain is routine in modern medicine. Hospitals, clinics, pharmacies and patients routinely flush pharmaceuticals down the drain.
So much of today’s expired pharmaceuticals are winding up in the rivers and oceans they are becoming so polluted that much of our sea food is contaminated. Dissect most fish caught near any major US city and you will find HRT drugs, antidepressants, and blood pressure medications.

It doesn’t end there. In many places sewage waste is used to make fertilizer that is spread on crops that we eat as well as the animals bread for the food industry eat. The solid sewage waste is called “biosolids” or “black gold,” and it’s used by farmers and gardeners as a soil additive. What the people using this toxic sludge don’t realize is that it’s contaminated with the toxic chemical residue of pharmaceuticals.

Food for thought:
How is this going to effect the next generation, our food supply and our crops? In nature it is the survival of the fittest, in the human race, however, this is not so. Exactly how many genetic mutations and diseases have to be born before our race takes responsiblity for our planet and begins living in harmony with nature instead of trying to monopolize it?

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YOu can't catch MRSA from an animal....Just to clear that up

Lisa

Hey Lisa,

Pets can transmit MRSA to people and visa versa. MRSA is one bad bug! MRSA is easy to transmit. Do a yahoo or goolge search.

Shebee

They are not the only ones investigating....


PhamaTimes...

EU to probe pharma over “false pandemic”
04 January 2010



The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) is to hold an emergency debate and inquiry this month into the “influence” exerted by drugmakers on the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) global H1N1 flu campaign.

The text of the resolution approved by the Assembly calling for the debate and inquiry states that: “in order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies influenced scientists and official agencies responsible for public health standards to alarm governments worldwide and make them squander tight health resources for inefficient vaccine strategies, and needlessly expose millions of healthy people to the risk of an unknown amount of side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.”



The WHO’s “false pandemic” flu campaign is “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century,” according to Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, chairman the PACE Health Committee, who introduced the parliamentary motion. “The definition of an alarming pandemic must not be under the influence of drug-sellers,” he adds.

Dr Wodarg, a doctor and former SPD member of the German Bundestag, says that the “false pandemic” campaign began last May in Mexico City, when a hundred or so “normal” reported influenza cases were declared to be the beginning of a threatening new pandemic, although there was little scientific evidence for this. Nevertheless the WHO, “in cooperation with some big pharmaceutical companies and their scientists, re-defined pandemics,” removing the statement that “an enormous amount of people have contracted the illness or died” from its existing definition and replacing it by stating simply that there has to be a virus, spreading beyond borders and to which people have no immunity.


These new standards forced politicians in most states to react immediately and sign marketing commitments for additional and new vaccines against swine flu, through “sealed contracts” under which orders are secured in advance and governments take almost all responsibility. “In this way, the producers of vaccines are sure of enormous gains without having any financial risks. So they just wait until WHO says ‘pandemic’ and activate the contracts,” says Dr Wodarg.



“In January, we will arrange an emergency debate about the influence of the pharmaceutical industry on the WHO, and 47 parliaments all over Europe are going to be informed. Following this, we will initiate an investigation and hearings involving those responsible for the pandemic emergency. The aim is that none of the pharmaceutical companies under any circumstances must be allowed to make their influence felt on pandemic emergencies,” he went on.

“The victims among millions of needlessly vaccinated people must be protected by their states, and independent scientific clarification should provide evidence and transparency for national and, if necessary, European courts,” added Dr Wodarg.

By Lynne Taylor

hello Sheebee,
Just spent the full hour reading the whole thread. Enormously interesting. What a debate. I learned a lot. I have not wanted to post anything on this topic as my views have been criticized often. I think that some people feel protected by a vaccine and people should do accordingly to what they believe is safe for them if it is available to them. However, I have a problem with people guilting you into thinking that you are selfish for not wanting to be getting a vaccine like H1N1. I resent that. I do not believe in such vaccine. A heathly person can go through a flu and survive. Granted, it is not fun but I would rather have the flu than be vaccinated by something that has created such a media debate to start with.
Thanks for clarifying this debate. I think that you are one of the most thorough and educated person on p.s. I respect your info as I know your approach is intelligent and well studied.
I enjoy reading posts that will offer me different point of views. It is healthy as long as it is done with respect, which is why I respect you even more as you do show great respects for people who do not share your views.
I think you are the Oprah of P.S. LOL
Mrs Buff

Mrs. Buff,

Why, thank you for nice complements.

I know that I have very strong and sometimes unpopular views, but since I read a lot, I feel that I am entitled to them. LOL! ...and truly I do respect others that do not share my views. They often give me an "insiders" view into how others think and how they view the world; I find this fascinating!

...and I might add that I am not opposed to changing my mind. Just show me the facts, without emotional, fear based opinion.


It was with great difficulty deciding whether to respond to this post at all, but I decided with so much available information out there, it should be shared. At least if you are made aware of the benefit/danger risk, you are well able to make an intelligent, informed decision.



I can't believe that you made it through all these post...I still can't believe how many P.S. sisters posted. I may not like what some of them say sometimes, but I like them. They are my sisters, and as such, I treat them that way.


By the way, I have really enjoyed your post, too. You always seem to say the right things to everyone. What a wonderful gift!

Shebee




By the way Walgreen's (local drug stores all over U.S.) profits jumped because they are giving the H1N1 vaccine! I hope everyone invested in them and the pharm. companies! BUT, If you did...now is the time to sell... LOL! (P.S ...do not take this advice, even if it is true...I am just havin' fun!)

I had been keeping a close watch on this flu and vaccine. Early on, I knew I wouldnt get it. My husband had planned to get it....until, he went to his doctor who was no recommending the shot, but leaving it up to the patient. At that time, NY was forcing their medical workers to take the shot..only, they had to change this because they couldnt get the vaccine. At the time my husband went to the dr, she didnt know that they wouldnt be forced to take it and she said..I have no choice. This was enough for my husband to just get the regular flu shot.

I have 3 married children. I did not advise them. Two, chose not to get the shot for themselves or their kids and one, had the whole family get the shot. I think this happened because they panicked when one of the children had been playing with a child that developed swine. But, this child was from a large family and the siblings didnt even get it.

One more thing that I learned is, the swab test for this flu was not accurate. It was very often showing false results. The only way to really know if one had it, is with a blood test, which most people didnt get. So, many who claim to have had it..really dont know unless their blood test came out positive.

I noticed that around tgiving, all of the hype stopped. I thought we were done hearing about this flu, until shortly after the 1st, when I saw another one of their ads. I just rolled my eyes.

I had a funny feeling that this flu was nothing but hype. I wasnt sure if it was to make money or not. That doesnt mean I wasnt frightened along with everyone else..I was. But, the more time passed, the less worried about this I became.

This whole thing did nothing but make people trust those in charge, less and less. And the next time they scare us to death, it could really be serious and nobody will pay attention to them. It seems this whole swine flu thing did more harm than good.

I am happy that those here who got the flu or a flu, recovered. And I hope we have heard the last of these vaccine pushing commercials.

Not sure if you guys can see this in the US but worth a try.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00q2rdj#p0060476

I could not bring it up....no fair!

By the way, What a Beautifu Name!

...and welcome to P.S.

Shebee

I tried this link too and the page came up but would not let me watch the videos, it said it was not abailable in our area. What a bunch of BS. Wonder who is behind that deal?

Same for me.....I can read the page, but not able to watch the video. And I love your name too!

I ran across this article...What do you think?

http://www.naturalnews.com/z027984_swine_flu_vaccines.html



NaturalNews.com printable article
Originally published January 20 2010


H1N1 swine flu hoax falls apart at the Seams
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The great swine flu hoax of 2009 is now falling apart at the seams as one country after another unloads hundreds of millions of doses of unused swine flu vaccines. No informed person wants the injection anymore, and the entire fear-based campaign to promote the vaccines has now been exposed as outright quackery and propaganda.



Even doctors are now calling the pandemic a complete hoax. As reported on FoxNews, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a leading health authority in Europe, says that drug companies "organized a 'campaign of panic' to put pressure on the World Health Organization (WHO) to declare a pandemic. He believes it is 'one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century,' and he has called for an inquiry." (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933...)



H1N1 swine flu was never dangerous, and it never should have been escalated to a level-six pandemic in the first place. It was all a big marketing scam whose purpose was to simply sell vaccines. (And the CDC and WHO were in on it...)



And it worked! Big Pharma made out with billions of dollars in profits for a useless vaccine that's now being dumped by the truck load. These vaccines were, of course, paid for with taxpayer dollars, making the Great Swine Flu Hoax of 2009 nothing more than an elaborate financial scam whose goal was to transfer wealth from the People to the shareholders of Big Pharma.




In just the fourth quarter of 2009, GlaxoSmithKline shipped $1.4 billion worth of vaccines. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...)


That's $1.4 billion worth of taxpayer dollars, by the way. Dollars that could have been spent on nutrition or real health education. $1.4 billion worth of free vitamin D supplements would have done far more to protect public health than vaccines could ever hope to accomplish.



A bailout for Big Pharma
Wall Street hucksters have nothing on Big Pharma, the CDC and the WHO, all of which conspired to mislead the public and generate irrational fear in order to make money selling people vaccine shots they never needed in the first place.



The drug companies raked in billions of dollars in revenues while providing a product that offered absolutely no net reduction in mortality. In fact, as the long-term side effects of the vaccines remain unknown, it could turn out that the vaccines actually result in a net increase in mortality.



Meanwhile, countless people were harmed by the swine flu vaccine frenzy (it's "countless" because nobody's counting). In addition to those who were nearly paralyzed after receiving the vaccine shots, grade school students in Massachusetts who lined up to receive swine flu vaccine shots were instead injected with insulin. (Insulin injections can put you into a coma.) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...)



The school sent a letter home to students blaming the mishap on the school nurse. But if they weren't injecting these kids with a useless vaccine for a non-pandemic, none of this would have happened in the first place.


Total swine flu deaths for 2009 were far lower than the number of deaths from regular seasonal flu. And yet it turns out that thousands of Americans who died from the swine flu had been previously injected with the vaccines (http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H...). In fact, according to calculations derived from official CDC estimates, thousands of vaccinated Americans died from swine flu anyway. The vaccines, it seems, don't really work after all. You're just as safe doing nothing.



Actually, getting the vaccine may harm your health. Outspoken Dr. Wodarg even says that the full extent of the damage from the insufficiently-tested vaccines may not be known for years. "The vaccine developed by Novartis was produced in a bioreactor from cancerous cells, a technique that had never been used until now," he says.


Just what we need, huh? Cancer cells being injected into the population as part of a vaccine campaign.



Cancelling vaccine orders
The Swine Flu hoax has fizzled out, and countries like Greece, France and the UK have cancelled orders for vaccines that they now realize won't be needed (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8...). But even the fizzling of this hoax doesn't mean it was a failure from the point of view of Big Pharma.



The swine flu hoax was a huge success not only for drug company profits, but also for certain influential individuals including Dr Julie Gerberding, former head of the CDC who has now accepted a high-paying job
as the president of Merck's global vaccine operations. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027789_D...)


One minute you're running the CDC, warning the country about a pandemic while urging everybody to get vaccinated, and the next minute you're running the for-profit vaccine division of the world's largest drug company. Amazing how that works, huh?



We called it right
I called much of this months ago in my popular hip-hop song, "Don't Inject Me" which you can listen to here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inj...

Or watch on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiXm...

As I stated in the song lyrics, which were written in early August, 2009:



The truth is outrageous

Don't you know the drug companies made this flu

Don't you know the swine flu is made by man

Pharmaceutical scam

It's all part of the Big Brother population plan
They don't want you to see the remedies
you can stop influenza with vitamin D for free
Herbal medicine is all that you need
But they can't charge a fifty dollar fee
Unless
They inject you
The big drug companies are makin' a killing
Collectin' the billions and gettin' away like a James Bond villain
Cuz' they're willin' to do almost anything
Just to make money with the flu vaccine

Many clueless critics thought this song was some sort of outrageous conspiracy rant at the time. Turns out it was a spot-on prediction of the truth behind The Great Swine Flu hoax of 2009.

Sources for this story include:
Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933...

Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...

Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...
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We still see H1N1 ads on TV here promoting the vaccine. I don't personally know even one person who has had it.....

hmmmm.. didnt I say all this before ?

I think the pandemic is just a well protected state secret. LOL because I have yet to meet someone who got the flu. I actually don't know many people who got the vaccine. I think some pharma companies have had a good xmas this year!!

I dont think it was a hoax. I think they braced for the worst, but the worst didn't happen, and add the media ( have you ever seen all the STORMWATCH new stories to just be hit by a bit of rain or snow?) and the whole thing took a life of it's own.

And I agree, Mrs Buff... it's very profitable. Not just for the pharma companies, but for the Doctors.

I agree, Leanne and Mrs. Buff!
Could not have said it better!!!

We have the ads here, too. A local Pham. is running a special, and we just received a call from our health department offering free shots! I also heard that they are gearing up for the "third wave" of H1N1. Give it a rest...



As for being a hoax? Only time will tell.

I wonder if one day our kids will be watching 60 minutes concerning this matter? ...and because of how this was handled, if we do have a real pandemic, will we think that someone is crying "Wolf" again? We need our agencies and government to give us accurate information. and we need to be able to trust in them.

Just my thoughts,
Shebee

...and thank you all who have contributed to this thread; I think we all learned a lot. Most of all, I think that we learned enough to ask some serious questions and to seek out information for ourselves. We have heard many different views, and yet we have respected each others opinions. I find this refreshing. Perhaps we are getting old? (I mean mature....LOL!)

There was a big flu outbreak here at the end of Oct./beginning of Nov. My grandson (9 at the time) had it - he had a fever up to 102 and coughed a lot, and was out of school for a week. NOTHING unusual or scary - he kept his appetite (was eating like a horse as a matter of fact), fever went from a Sunday night to Thursday morning. It was rampant in the school systems here (in CT), it seemed way more contagious than the usual flu, and it was here before anyone could get the vaccine. I think this flu favored youngsters and young adults, some of the schools here had a 30% absentee rate, but the plan was to keep schools open, as they do with any virus that's going around, UNLESS there wasn't enough staff to run the school. I heard that one of our 5th grade classes only had 8 kids in it one day LOL.

So the flu certainly WAS around, but it was no worse than most viruses. If all the hoopla about swine flu wasn't being broadcast, no one would have thought much of it, other than that it was a virus going around that was very contagious.

I think I had swine flu last summer (I didn't consult my doctor as I didn't see the point in possibly infecting him) but although the vaccine is being aggressively promoted in the Uk I choose not to have it. I know someone who had confirmed swine flu and they stil tried to get him to have the vaccine. He didn't see any point as he had already had the virus.
I found swine flu unpleasant but have experienced wose things. I think that the vaccine has made the drug company a huge amount of money and now Governments don't want to admit that they got it wrong.
Jacks

Ladies ....

I just read this...

$10,000 reward offered for Scientific Proof of H1N1 vaccine safety and effectiveness.
This is for real!



and, I read that the Swiss Warning on Flu Vaccine... They advise that you should not take it if you have an type Autoimmune Disease.


Now this was very interesting....Why did Americans get the "no Squalene" and our Canadian Friends get mercury & squalene??? This article was not anti or pro vaccine but it did point out that nobody has studied the long term effects, especially on children. The article concluded that Americans had more options than Canadians.

What's in the H1N1 Vaccine? A Comparison Between Canada and the United States of America.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2...comparison.html

These fool doctors have already moved on to the next epidemic - I read about dengue fever yesterday and that is supposed to the next world epidemic. And (drum roll please) there is a vaccine in the works!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont you just love our country and the media!

LOL! Stitch, They haven't finished with this one yet. By the way, has anyone every looked into when the swine flu (not the vaccine) was patented? Interesting reading if you have to time to sift through it.

As for the the dengue fever vax...I don't want to take it first. Earlier this month I read about another failed clinical trial involving a new HIV vaccine. It seems that is has left 46 Zambian women infected with the virus. Opps!

This is a good argument for animal testing, instead of people testing. (Gosh, I hate stepping on toes!) LOL! On tv, local places advertise to test out a "new" drug. You get paid $2000.-$3000., depending on the drug. The very poor go there and are used as test subjects. How do you think that they come up with all of the stats for adverse reactions (including death, kidney failure, heart malfunctions, & etc. and the worst diarrhea)?

Doctors do no Harm...

Shebee

those side effects sounds close to what we feel like going through our peri-meno crapitude. LOL and we don't get any financial compensation for it. What gives!!!!! (hope I used the expression correctly, don't even know how to translate it in French LOL)

i guess that i am in the minority here in thinking that the world health organizations & governments really were trying to do their best in averting a worst case pandemic flu scenario.

i am not naive enough to think that drug companies have no impact on medical policy/legislation/decisions. that is a reality that i think everyone needs to be wary about. but from a public safety stance, expecting the worst from an unpredictable virus is not a horrible stance in my opinion. & i know more than a few people who became quite ill as a result of this virus, including a healthy young man who later died. if this virus had tracked severely & the govt & associated organizations had not done enough to offer prevention/treatment/education, the public would for sure be very upset.

it's everyone's individual decision as to whether or not they felt/feel like getting vaccinated is a good thing. my dh decided to do it since he works in a hospital setting. some of his colleagues choice not to.

viewing this through a big pharma prism is only one angle. we could do the same with hormones if we chose to (& some do). & the cost/benefit ratio/analysis exists in both cases as well.

as to finding traces of anything in our water - that's a huge concern in many ways, not just from dumping things, but even from what is excreted. & that includes both drugs & hormones.

i haven't exactly been a big fan of doctors since starting this peri journey, but as imperfect as our science & medicine is, it still helps us in many ways. i have a friend currently working in the congo who is protected by anti-malaria medications. i have another friend who nearly died from dengue fever while working in india. the mosquito borne illnesses are huge problems that continue to spread & that hopefully science/medicine will help us to deal with.

I agree with you. Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Had the worst case scenario happened, and we weren't warned, can you imagine?

I agree completely. I get fed up with people who see conspiracy theories everywhere. Hind sight is the clearest vision of all.
Predicting a pandemic is like predicting the weather. I am happy that the world tried to brace itself for a disaster and I am even more happy that the worst did not happen.
People forget that we are not out of the woods yet, as the virus can mutate at anytime.

PS I think that I have Swine Flu at the moment. I certainly have some sort of influenza. This is day 8 of the infection and I feel awful. oink oink!


XIII