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surreallife
Did anyone else read the 'Introduce Yourself' from Indespair? How could she have gotten so much of a negative reaction and not seen anything positive from this site? It just made me cry that someone is so far in the dumps that they can't see the help and comfort they could get from this site. Am I overreacting?


Note: This is Dearest. I really don't want Indispair's message on the "Introduce Yourself" forum. It's not necessary for newcomers to see her post because it's not an accurate view of PS. I've moved the responses from there into this topic surreal started, seeing as how you seem to want to discuss it and have also copied and pasted her original message here below. I'll post my feelings about it later in my "placeholder" (thanks for the explanation, Lee... giggle).


Original message posted in Introduce Yourself!

Indispair
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post Yesterday, 08:55 PM (Aug. 3, 2009) | Post #4104 |

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After the worst year - I have had this site recommended to me.

It has made me feel worse.... I am sorry I came here. And I wanted to just say this.

Having been a vibrant, active, busy mum to five and happy wife I fell into a deep hole a year ago. I have been struggling desperately everyday to try and get my head above the water try and get me back. And I mean everyday... I never get a break from the anxiety, panic attacks, headaches, shakes, nausea, tears, fears, and endless symptoms. I had almost completely lost me.....I have been reduced to a mere shadow of me. Hiding at home, afraid, exausted, tired, angry, grieving and distraught. I cant work, I cant think, and its endless.

I was so grateful when I found natural hormones because I though I found the answer and have been on prog cream for a month. But after reading peoples stories of even natural hormones making them worse and not the answer. Now I am filled with doubt and instead of looking forward to some relief I am now just filled with fear that any day the rug will be ripped from me again as too much or too little or its all wrong for me as I am plunged into suicidal depression - and reading I may have another 14 years of this destroyed life I am close to just giving up. I cant and wont do this anymore. I cant do 14 years of hell everyday.

This site has ripped my hope away - just torn my heart out... Thanks for crushing my hopes. This is a natural process you cant cure and most dont survive unscathed. When the prog cream which doesn't work, or barely takes the edge off with my body fluctuating with too much and too little and with the symptoms apparently getting worse there is nothing left to try really - or I am tossing up between eating organic nuts or fry my brain SSRI's I cant do that, who lives like that? Day to day madness living in a horror nightmare clinging to sanity by their fingernails?

I was hoping there might be some help and solutions here. I'd rather be dead that do this for another 14 years. And what exactly is on the other side? - a dried up, frazzled, wizzened old woman perhaps no longer riding the hormonal rollercoaster but looking forward only to strokes, cancer or dementia etc? Whatever is on the other side of hell isn't worth dragging myself bodily to the others side with what fragmented remains of my family are left. I wasn't ready to have my life shattered at 35, but at least I can warn my daughters genetically they only have a few years of life to enjoy before its as good as over and the misery fear and horror kick in. If I had known this was going to happen I'd not have had them and saved 4 humans the cruel joke to be played out on them in a short space of time.

You can of course delete this message its its offensive I wont be back to this place - it didnt help or reassure - it drove a final nail driven into my miserable coffin. I would have been better off ignorantly scrabbling about hopeful that the nightmare was fixable and curable than learning its not.


Indispair.
nc53215
you know the ole saying.. you cant please all the people all the time....she didnt like the answers to some of her questions !!! i see that alot on here , its either my way or the high way for some on here and if you dont agree with them they piss and whine.... all we can do is pray for her !!! to find some solace in this crazy world, she is searching so at least thats a start.....
nc53215
QUOTE (Indispair @ Aug 3 2009, 09:55 PM) *
After the worst year - I have had this site recommended to me.

It has made me feel worse.... I am sorry I came here. And I wanted to just say this.

Having been a vibrant, active, busy mum to five and happy wife I fell into a deep hole a year ago. I have been struggling desperately everyday to try and get my head above the water try and get me back. And I mean everyday... I never get a break from the anxiety, panic attacks, headaches, shakes, nausea, tears, fears, and endless symptoms. I had almost completely lost me.....I have been reduced to a mere shadow of me. Hiding at home, afraid, exausted, tired, angry, grieving and distraught. I cant work, I cant think, and its endless.

I was so grateful when I found natural hormones because I though I found the answer and have been on prog cream for a month. But after reading peoples stories of even natural hormones making them worse and not the answer. Now I am filled with doubt and instead of looking forward to some relief I am now just filled with fear that any day the rug will be ripped from me again as too much or too little or its all wrong for me as I am plunged into suicidal depression - and reading I may have another 14 years of this destroyed life I am close to just giving up. I cant and wont do this anymore. I cant do 14 years of hell everyday.

This site has ripped my hope hello and welcome ,please know that just cause the proges. cream didnt work for some on here it wont for you, ive been using it for 3 mo now and im doing better, its not for every one but it might just be for you.... every women is gonna have a different reaction and every woman is gonna have a different time at menopause, dont ever try and compare your self to others ... i have had a hard time, was committed to the hospital without my consent for 3 days completly out of it, major deppression, after 3 days came out of it slowly but still have hard days- i blame all my early peri on having my tubes tied, it screwed me all up, my major deppression was 2 yrs ago, today im on prog, and test. cream and feel great, please dont give up , i will pray for you tonite, and know that life really is worth living...... away - just torn my heart out... Thanks for crushing my hopes. This is a natural process you cant cure and most dont survive unscathed. When the prog cream which doesn't work, or barely takes the edge off with my body fluctuating with too much and too little and with the symptoms apparently getting worse there is nothing left to try really - or I am tossing up between eating organic nuts or fry my brain SSRI's I cant do that, who lives like that? Day to day madness living in a horror nightmare clinging to sanity by their fingernails?

I was hoping there might be some help and solutions here. I'd rather be dead that do this for another 14 years. And what exactly is on the other side? - a dried up, frazzled, wizzened old woman perhaps no longer riding the hormonal rollercoaster but looking forward only to strokes, cancer or dementia etc? Whatever is on the other side of hell isn't worth dragging myself bodily to the others side with what fragmented remains of my family are left. I wasn't ready to have my life shattered at 35, but at least I can warn my daughters genetically they only have a few years of life to enjoy before its as good as over and the misery fear and horror kick in. If I had known this was going to happen I'd not have had them and saved 4 humans the cruel joke to be played out on them in a short space of time.

You can of course delete this message its its offensive I wont be back to this place - it didnt help or reassure - it drove a final nail driven into my miserable coffin. I would have been better off ignorantly scrabbling about hopeful that the nightmare was fixable and curable than learning its not.


Indispair.


hello and welcome ,please know that just cause the proges. cream didnt work for some on here it wont for you, ive been using it for 3 mo now and im doing better, its not for every one but it might just be for you.... every women is gonna have a different reaction and every woman is gonna have a different time at menopause, dont ever try and compare your self to others ... i have had a hard time, was committed to the hospital without my consent for 3 days completly out of it, major deppression, after 3 days came out of it slowly but still have hard days- i blame all my early peri on having my tubes tied, it screwed me all up, my major deppression was 2 yrs ago, today im on prog, and test. cream and feel great, please dont give up , i will pray for you tonite, and know that life really is worth living......
Lara47
QUOTE (Indispair @ Aug 3 2009, 07:55 PM) *
After the worst year - I have had this site recommended to me.

It has made me feel worse.... I am sorry I came here. And I wanted to just say this.

Having been a vibrant, active, busy mum to five and happy wife I fell into a deep hole a year ago. I have been struggling desperately everyday to try and get my head above the water try and get me back. And I mean everyday... I never get a break from the anxiety, panic attacks, headaches, shakes, nausea, tears, fears, and endless symptoms. I had almost completely lost me.....I have been reduced to a mere shadow of me. Hiding at home, afraid, exausted, tired, angry, grieving and distraught. I cant work, I cant think, and its endless.

I was so grateful when I found natural hormones because I though I found the answer and have been on prog cream for a month. But after reading peoples stories of even natural hormones making them worse and not the answer. Now I am filled with doubt and instead of looking forward to some relief I am now just filled with fear that any day the rug will be ripped from me again as too much or too little or its all wrong for me as I am plunged into suicidal depression - and reading I may have another 14 years of this destroyed life I am close to just giving up. I cant and wont do this anymore. I cant do 14 years of hell everyday.

This site has ripped my hope away - just torn my heart out... Thanks for crushing my hopes. This is a natural process you cant cure and most dont survive unscathed. When the prog cream which doesn't work, or barely takes the edge off with my body fluctuating with too much and too little and with the symptoms apparently getting worse there is nothing left to try really - or I am tossing up between eating organic nuts or fry my brain SSRI's I cant do that, who lives like that? Day to day madness living in a horror nightmare clinging to sanity by their fingernails?

I was hoping there might be some help and solutions here. I'd rather be dead that do this for another 14 years. And what exactly is on the other side? - a dried up, frazzled, wizzened old woman perhaps no longer riding the hormonal rollercoaster but looking forward only to strokes, cancer or dementia etc? Whatever is on the other side of hell isn't worth dragging myself bodily to the others side with what fragmented remains of my family are left. I wasn't ready to have my life shattered at 35, but at least I can warn my daughters genetically they only have a few years of life to enjoy before its as good as over and the misery fear and horror kick in. If I had known this was going to happen I'd not have had them and saved 4 humans the cruel joke to be played out on them in a short space of time.

You can of course delete this message its its offensive I wont be back to this place - it didnt help or reassure - it drove a final nail driven into my miserable coffin. I would have been better off ignorantly scrabbling about hopeful that the nightmare was fixable and curable than learning its not.


Indispair.



Hi ladies!
Had to respond to this. Obviously this woman is at a very bad place and can't recieve all the gifts that are here. There are no easy fixes but there still alot of hope alot love and support and some of the nicest most genuine woman that I'm proud to be among. I feel us all pulling each other through even when were at our own bottom. I feel all of your pain and I know you feel mine and that is how we l perservere through this. I am grateful for you all.

Indispair, I'm sorry that your experience here didnt help. I hope you find what you need. I wish you the best.

Lara
surreallife
QUOTE (Lara47 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:52 PM) *
Hi ladies!
Had to respond to this. Obviously this woman is at a very bad place and can't recieve all the gifts that are here. There are no easy fixes but there still alot of hope alot love and support and some of the nicest most genuine woman that I'm proud to be among. I feel us all pulling each other through even when were at our own bottom. I feel all of your pain and I know you feel mine and that is how we l perservere through this. I am grateful for you all.

Indispair, I'm sorry that your experience here didnt help. I hope you find what you need. I wish you the best.

Lara



Lara,
Thanks for your words. I was upset when I read this, I started a topic.
Robin
surreallife
QUOTE (nc53215 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:38 PM) *
you know the ole saying.. you cant please all the people all the time....she didnt like the answers to some of her questions !!! i see that alot on here , its either my way or the high way for some on here and if you dont agree with them they piss and whine.... all we can do is pray for her !!! to find some solace in this crazy world, she is searching so at least thats a start.....



I guess it just threw me. I figured if someone didn't like this site they just wouldn't come back and not bother to post anything.
michuganna
QUOTE (Indispair @ Aug 3 2009, 09:55 PM) *
[color="#000080"]After the worst year - I have had this site recommended to me.

It has made me feel worse.... I am sorry I came here. And I wanted to just say this.

Having been a vibrant, active, busy mum to five and happy wife I fell into a deep hole a year ago. I have been struggling desperately everyday to try and get my head above the water try and get me back. And I mean everyday... I never get a break from the anxiety, panic attacks, headaches, shakes, nausea, tears, fears, and endless symptoms. I had almost completely lost me.....I have been reduced to a mere shadow of me. Hiding at home, afraid, exausted, tired, angry, grieving and distraught. I cant work, I cant think, and its endless.

I was so grateful when I found natural hormones because I though I found the answer and have been on prog cream for a month. But after reading peoples stories of even natural hormones making them worse and not the answer. Now I am filled with doubt and instead of looking forward to some relief I am now just filled with fear that any day the rug will be ripped from me again as too much or too little or its all wrong for me as I am plunged into suicidal depression - and reading I may have another 14 years of this destroyed life I am close to just giving up. I cant and wont do this anymore. I cant do 14 years of hell everyday.

This site has ripped my hope away - just torn my heart out... Thanks for crushing my hopes. This is a natural process you cant cure and most dont survive unscathed. When the prog cream which doesn't work, or barely takes the edge off with my body fluctuating with too much and too little and with the symptoms apparently getting worse there is nothing left to try really - or I am tossing up between eating organic nuts or fry my brain SSRI's I cant do that, who lives like that? Day to day madness living in a horror nightmare clinging to sanity by their fingernails?

I was hoping there might be some help and solutions here. I'd rather be dead that do this for another 14 years. And what exactly is on the other side? - a dried up, frazzled, wizzened old woman perhaps no longer riding the hormonal rollercoaster but looking forward only to strokes, cancer or dementia etc? Whatever is on the other side of hell isn't worth dragging myself bodily to the others side with what fragmented remains of my family are left. I wasn't ready to have my life shattered at 35, but at least I can warn my daughters genetically they only have a few years of life to enjoy before its as good as over and the misery fear and horror kick in. If I had known this was going to happen I'd not have had them and saved 4 humans the cruel joke to be played out on them in a short space of time.

You can of course delete this message its its offensive I wont be back to this place - it didnt help or reassure - it drove a final nail driven into my miserable coffin. I would have been better off ignorantly scrabbling about hopeful that the nightmare was fixable and curable than learning its not.


Indispair.
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There is a saying take what you need and leave the rest. This is a place with different experiences shared by different women. You will never get a one size fits all answer. None of us will experience this in the same way, we may have similarities but we are different. Sometimes there are posts that I will skip over because I know I am not in a place to interpret everything with a rational mind. You are struggling terribly right now and you have nowhere to vent your anger or fears and this was a safe place for you to rage and rage you did. This is a scary time for me as well and I don't know how I will survive this but I have to have faith i will. The women here are full of wisdom, truths (some that we don't always want to hear) and advice. You need to try and open up and avail yourself of what is offered here free of charge and with compassion. However, if we will not see you again then you will not read this and all this will be mute. But, in the event you choose to lurk out of curiosity, maybe you will realize that there is much of value here. I hope you get to that place whether it is here or else where. Your journey has been difficult, I can see that. I myself (just today) wailed at the universe asking no begging for relief from this hell I live in most days. But, that hell is not because of this board and when I feel like giving up it's not because of this board and these women. In fact, sometimes it is the only place that brings me back to earth (well that and a xanax). Take care of yourself and try and find your calm in this crazy storm we are all thrown into.
XIII
QUOTE (surreallife @ Aug 4 2009, 06:06 AM) *
I guess it just threw me. I figured if someone didn't like this site they just wouldn't come back and not bother to post anything.


I would guess that her post is an example of someone with very severe depressive illness. She desperately needs professional help but is so far down in the bottom of the pit that she cannot access it. I hope that she can find help soon.

Like so many that turn up at our doors, she wanted to come on here and find an immediate solution to the mayhem that has consumed her life but as we all know, it is not quite as simple as that. The value of PowerSurge is that we can be honest and say what does or doesn't work. What value would this site be if we all danced around with a sort of, crazed Jack Nicholson type grin, pretending that everything in the garden were rosy. The medical profession sometimes tells us porkies, the pharmaceutical giants want our money but at PS we tell the truth, even if that is sometimes unpalatable. It is an unwritten rule at PS that when someone has success or good news we rejoice and when things are not going so well, support becomes the name of the game. That, is the reality of life.


XIII
kath S
QUOTE (surreallife @ Aug 3 2009, 11:24 PM) *
Did anyone else read the 'Introduce Yourself' from Indespair? How could she have gotten so much of a negative reaction and not seen anything positive from this site? It just made me cry that someone is so far in the dumps that they can't see the help and comfort they could get from this site. Am I overreacting?


Aaaah don,t be upset surrealife,no you are not overreacting,just being a kind,sensitive woman,as are soooo many ladies on here.

It is a shame and seems a little negative,that she couldn,t find comfort in any of the posts.

I think the site is fab,it,s a mix of every emotion,whether good or bad,it is as it is,and that is life, warts and all.

I don,t know where I would have been right now if i hadn,t found this site,but then we are all different.

But speaking for myself I feel much privellidge(oops sp?) to be amongst such fine women

Have a lovely day ladies

Kath
Jan677
QUOTE (surreallife @ Aug 3 2009, 11:24 PM) *
Did anyone else read the 'Introduce Yourself' from Indespair? How could she have gotten so much of a negative reaction and not seen anything positive from this site? It just made me cry that someone is so far in the dumps that they can't see the help and comfort they could get from this site. Am I overreacting?



Wow, I just read it myself. I so FEEL for this woman. I hope she will be alright but she sounds downright suicidal at the moment of her post. She clearly needs help. What I don't understand is why did she "join" just to post this message? She could have looked things over and come to the same conclusion and just left. I am very concerned for her safety but I suppose if she doesn't come back there is nothing we can do to help her. I hope she gets the help she needs.

I have to say that the wonderful ladies of PS have helped me get through the most difficult time in my life. If it weren't for the kindness and loving support I have recieved here, I wouldn't be around right now. I owe an enormous debt of gratitude to the women of PS.
Love you all!
xoxo
Jan
gizzie
Oh what can I say on this.. I think it has floored us..This lady was looking for answers.. Unfortunately she did not not find them here on PS..
I do hope she can seek what ever help is a available to her...
moonlight
I just read her intro....i feel sorry for the woman...but,it may have just been her hormones talking,maybe she was just in a bad place at the time.I am guilty of writing negative posts when i'm not myself.....so maybe she will come back when things settle down some for her.
Becca233
Wow, I read it too. The strange thing is that she made this conclusion w/o asking for help, cuz as we all know ladies, she would of asked, we surely would of been more than happy to at least give her some incouragement...

I think that some ppl may not realize the purpose of this site, that although it is a place to try and find the answers to what were are going thru, it also a place where we come to vent our frustration and our fears. You know when you are in such a negative place as this poor woman is, it is so hard to see the positive side, many of us had our days of been there and done that...

I only wish that she would of first asked for some kind of help, instead of just reading a few post and making that determination. And yes, this is not a quick fix, like anything else in life, it is a process, and process that we must endure, and endure we will...

At any rate, my thoughts and prayers do go out to this poor woman, for she is in such a lonely place right now, and how truly scarey that can be.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I didn't even see her post in there....
dmar
Indespair,

I know you said you wouldn't be back here, but I'm hoping you will be.

Whether you can see it right now or not, many of us understand your physical/emotional feelings, even if we don't agree about this site. I can tell how miserable you are and I will be praying for you, hon. Please don't give up.

Peri/meno is definitely a scary, scary time for most of us. We also learn so much about our bodies that we never had a clue about before. The ladies on here have been through what you're going through, some to a lesser extent, some more. You're right that it sometimes seems like "hell on Earth" when we're suffering so many of the symptoms we suffer. Do any of us feel like giving up? Yes. It's in having faith and coming here for the genuine support I've had over the last three years that have gotten me through so far. I'm having one of my most difficult times right now, and I've been on this wonderful site every day, sometimes more than once. I can see how others have endured what I'm facing right now, and how they've gotten past it.

I hate peri/meno. It's so hard and scary. This site has been a lifesaver for me so many times that I couldn't begin to tell you. The ladies here aren't saying it's a "fix all" for peri/meno. It IS, however, a lifeline. God bless Dearest for her work and dedication to make this a site of information, hope, and encouragement for us.

My faith in God has kept me from "losing it" so many times, and I feel I have been doubly blessed to also have this wonderful site as another anchor in this "storm".

Hugs to you,
Deb
surreallife
QUOTE (surreallife @ Aug 4 2009, 12:08 AM) *
Lara,
Thanks for your words. I was upset when I read this, I started a topic.
Robin



Just wanted to say I was upset because someone who is in so much pain didn't get any comfort from this site and all the wonderful ladies here.
Indespair--hope you feel better soon. If you read this give us a chance!
Dearest
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08-06: I added the information to the original post of this topic -- just so my "placeholder" doesn't sit here for ages feeling neglected smile.gif

Dearest
Snowmoon56
Not everyone has had a bad reaction to hrt’s! I have read many positive stories over the years!

First of all you must put P-S into prospective, or any discussion board!!!!!

I remember when I was pregnant and heard the scary giving birth stores! yet I had no problems what so ever!

Not only does misery loves company BUT Peri can be downright scary! It messes not just with your body but your mind too!
So of course you are going to hear more negative stuff here than positive!

That's life!
Snowmoon56
(((((Dearest)))))!!!!!!!!
leanne0721
QUOTE (Snowmoon56 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:05 AM) *
Not everyone has had a bad reaction to hrt’s! I have read many positive stories over the years!

First of all you must put P-S into prospective, or any discussion board!!!!!

I remember when I was pregnant and heard the scary giving birth stores! yet I had no problems what so ever!

Not only does misery loves company BUT Peri can be downright scary! It messes not just with your body but your mind too!
So of course you are going to hear more negative stuff here than positive!

That's life!


I 100% agree.

I'd like to also add that we all take away from something what we want to. She's not ready to help herself IMHO. I'd bet money that she'll be back. She's looking for a definitive answer, and of course, there isn't one. There is not one answer for all women.

I feel sorry for her. Too bad she couldn't stick around awhile longer, she would have found support here that she wont find many other places.
Fried
I just read her post. Wow.
kath S


Lovely to see Dearest about the boards

What does Placeholder mean??
leanne0721
QUOTE (kath S @ Aug 4 2009, 11:42 AM) *
Lovely to see Dearest about the boards

What does Placeholder mean??



She's just reserving that spot to post... it means she'll be baccckkk LOL laugh.gif
kath S
QUOTE (leanne0721 @ Aug 4 2009, 02:45 PM) *
She's just reserving that spot to post... it means she'll be baccckkk LOL laugh.gif



Doh...... senior moment or peri moment not sure which laugh.gif
dmar
(((((Dearest))))),

It's wonderful to see you back!!

Blessings to you,
Deb


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