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princessgod
my doc just told me to make sure that I am taking 2,000 [size="2"][/size]iu's for depression. I was only taking 800. Anybody else taking this much and do you feel better? hugs-from, 'The princessgod 'of menopause! rolleyes.gif
Aviano
How does your doc know that low vitamin D is what is causing your depression?
Angie

QUOTE (princessgod @ Jul 27 2009, 01:05 PM) *
my doc just told me to make sure that I am taking 2,000 [size="2"][/size]iu's for depression. I was only taking 800. Anybody else taking this much and do you feel better? hugs-from, 'The princessgod 'of menopause! rolleyes.gif

davinci817
IF you are talking about D3 I take 5000iu a day.
princessgod
QUOTE (Aviano @ Jul 27 2009, 06:38 PM) *
How does your doc know that low vitamin D is what is causing your depression?
Angie
hi angie -i've tried just about everything that there is to try.it's all actually starting to come together a little. with other sup. like magnesium,b complex,omega 3's, vit e and now he is saying that they are doing a lot of research on vit d and that even without the testing -most people are deficient, so we are going to try this for a couple of months and i have to 'chart' my moods. We live in a VERY DREARY climate and have not seen much sunshine in 2 years! everyone in our community is depressed right now (all ages!) So -what have I got to lose? Are you taking it? Hugs to all! rolleyes.gif
princessgod
I did all the researcha nd I have been taking 4,000 iu's a day.Could be in my head - but I am felling MUCH BETTER this week! i will continue to post and tell you how I am feeling. Gave up sugar. Eating protein, lots of veggies and fruit. also lost a couple of pounds. YAY ME!! HUGS TO EVERYONE! rolleyes.gif
Jan677
QUOTE (princessgod @ Aug 3 2009, 08:22 PM) *
I did all the researcha nd I have been taking 4,000 iu's a day.Could be in my head - but I am felling MUCH BETTER this week! i will continue to post and tell you how I am feeling. Gave up sugar. Eating protein, lots of veggies and fruit. also lost a couple of pounds. YAY ME!! HUGS TO EVERYONE! rolleyes.gif



I don't know about the depression aspect but I started taking D3 back in January/February (2000 IU/day) and within a short period of time (week or two) I felt better. By Vit. D level went from 18 to 56 in about 3 months so I'm on 800 per day now. Started Vit. E, Super B complex w/ zinc and C plus a multivitamin a few months ago and I feel even better. Even my finger nails are growing faster than they ever have in my life. I'm still down in the dumps but it's situational for me so I doubt the D will do much for that. Just have to get over this hump.

Trudysmom
You can get a blood test to make sure you have enough. Some sunlight is really good. Not a ton, but a few minutes will make Vit D. It is important for a lot of reasons.
jones
QUOTE (davinci817 @ Jul 27 2009, 04:51 PM) *
IF you are talking about D3 I take 5000iu a day.


Ditto!
henrysmom
When my peri symptoms were at their worst about a year ago, my Vit D level was checked and it was 13, seriously low. I live in sunny So Cal and spend a lot of time outside, but I wear heavy duty sunscreen all the time. I started on 2,000 units a day and went up to 5,000 when my level didn't rise much. Recently it was up to 33, so doc put me on 10,000units, and will recheck in 1-2 mos..she said she wanted it up to at least 50. I did notice a big decrease in aches and pains when I started taking it. kim
Becca233
QUOTE (henrysmom @ Aug 7 2009, 12:36 AM) *
When my peri symptoms were at their worst about a year ago, my Vit D level was checked and it was 13, seriously low. I live in sunny So Cal and spend a lot of time outside, but I wear heavy duty sunscreen all the time. I started on 2,000 units a day and went up to 5,000 when my level didn't rise much. Recently it was up to 33, so doc put me on 10,000units, and will recheck in 1-2 mos..she said she wanted it up to at least 50. I did notice a big decrease in aches and pains when I started taking it. kim



I think that it is really great that Doctors are finally taking this seriously w/vit def, think about it, just 5 years ago you would go in the dr's office, tell him how you feel, and there would of been no explaination of it. They would either dx us w/fibromyalgia or worse yet call us a hypochondriac. I wonder how many ppl had and have to suffer for something as simple as a vit deficiency...

Let us know how it goes.. and how you continue to do.... Could give so hope to some ladies on here... thanks... cool.gif
EveningPrimrose
QUOTE (princessgod @ Jul 27 2009, 06:05 PM) *
my doc just told me to make sure that I am taking 2,000 [size="2"][/size]iu's for depression. I was only taking 800. Anybody else taking this much and do you feel better? hugs-from, 'The princessgod 'of menopause! rolleyes.gif



I've been taking 20,000iu's every other day for 3 months and due to have blood tests to check the levels. I think the level that doctors aim for is 70. My range was 11 so pretty low. I do feel better - much less depression and very little body aches except for when I'm due on a period.

Good luck girls - I hope you feel better soon.
princessgod
hi girlfriends! i have been taking 4000 iu's of vitamin D for almost 2 weeks and I DEFINITELY find a change of attitude! I am sleeping like a baby. i also am taking 2000 mgs omega 3 and 400 magnesium and b complex with 100 extra b6. Wow - could this have been the missing link? (and I thought 400 was enough!) god bless you girls and good luck! biggrin.gif love fron - The princessgod of Menopause p.s. i also am drinking a big glass of 'greens' in the morn.
michuganna
QUOTE (princessgod @ Aug 7 2009, 08:43 PM) *
hi girlfriends! i have been taking 4000 iu's of vitamin D for almost 2 weeks and I DEFINITELY find a change of attitude! I am sleeping like a baby. i also am taking 2000 mgs omega 3 and 400 magnesium and b complex with 100 extra b6. Wow - could this have been the missing link? (and I thought 400 was enough!) god bless you girls and good luck! biggrin.gif love fron - The princessgod of Menopause p.s. i also am drinking a big glass of 'greens' in the morn.


My Vit D came in low on my blood work. I was doing about 15 min in the sun and taking 1000 IU's of Vit D. I think I'm gonna up it a bit and see if that helps with the yummy Lexapro I'm taking. Glad whatever you are doing is helping you feel better. It does a girl good to get some positive results when she is trying to help herself.
Jann
In case you are not aware....The Vitamin D Council has TONS of information about vitamin D. Quite a few articles about depression and vitamin D deficiency too. There is information on the site to help you understand whether you are deficient or not.

I've been taking 5,000iu D3 for a number years -- not necessarily for any specific symptom -- I was just deficient. It's recommended by the vitamin D experts to keep your level between 50-80ng/ml -- especially with all the flu season coming.

Best wishes,
Jann
Ms. Anxiety
My levels were at 26 and now at 34. I've been taking 5,000 IU per day for about a month. Hard to say if there is an improvement. I have bad days and good days. Maybe once my levels go above 50 I'll notice a real difference. I hope so.
corky21
My level was 28 in November 2008. I was taking 1000iu a day and then a little more in multis and I also spend a lot of time in sun in the summer and in winter I'm in my car in the sun quite a bit. But my level was low. I upped it to 2000iu D3 but by April it only edged up to 33. I then upped it to 4000 iu a day and in 4 months it got up to 46, so it is taking a long time. I'm now taking 6000iu a day and will retest and may even take 8000.

Also check ferritin levels. Low ferritin levels also cause depression and a host of other symptoms that mimic low thyroid. And, thyroid problem can occur because of low D and ferritin. The ferritin level is needed to properly convert the hormones to be active in the body. Ferritin should also be around 70-100 just like D levels.
RS
QUOTE (corky21 @ Sep 1 2009, 02:23 PM) *
My level was 28 in November 2008. I was taking 1000iu a day and then a little more in multis and I also spend a lot of time in sun in the summer and in winter I'm in my car in the sun quite a bit. But my level was low. I upped it to 2000iu D3 but by April it only edged up to 33. I then upped it to 4000 iu a day and in 4 months it got up to 46, so it is taking a long time. I'm now taking 6000iu a day and will retest and may even take 8000.

Also check ferritin levels. Low ferritin levels also cause depression and a host of other symptoms that mimic low thyroid. And, thyroid problem can occur because of low D and ferritin. The ferritin level is needed to properly convert the hormones to be active in the body. Ferritin should also be around 70-100 just like D levels.

Beingpatient
My wife takes oodles of Vitamin D and she is still one cranky Mama...
slo66
Wow, I just found this thread. I was diagosed with low vitamin D this past friday. NP said my level was at <4. What the heck? Doesn't even sound right, it's so low. Anyways, she just called a prescription in and I picked it up. It's 50,000 IU once a week for a month, of vita D! Sounds a bit excessive?! has anyone out there been on that high of a doseage, and if so, any side effects. I don't like to take anything, tho I do take a multi vitamin, vita E, C and garlic daily.
O and before you were told you had low Vita D levels..what were the symptoms? thanks for any and all help!
Jann
Hi Slo...

Wow -- that IS low. I know several folks that have taken 50,000iu D3. I think they just did that for a short time...then they went to a maintenance dose.

I been taking D3 for about 4yrs. My level started out at 26. I've been struggling to get my level higher than 50ng/ml. I've taken as much as 10,000iu daily for over a month...and I still couldn't get my level as high as I wanted. Since I have autoimmune issues [vitiligo, Hashi's] -- I want to maintain a higher level to help support my immune system.

I finally tried the liquid D3 from Life Extension. They describe it as being SUPER absorbable. One drop is 2,000iu D3. I took between 5,000-8,000iu D3. Well.... I can report that they are right. I finally got my level to 82 !!

I will continue with my dosing at this schedule through this flu season -- especially since I didn't get any flu vaccines.

Getting back to your deficiency. I wouldn't worry about the high dose...or any side effects. I would think that the only side effect you will notice is a big difference in how you feel...given that your level was so low. Did you have muscle aches..?? ....depression...?? Do you know what lab they used for the testing..??.. I've never heard anyone have a level THAT low before.

ANYWAY... I do hope that you do well.

Best wishes,
Jann
Shebee
QUOTE (princessgod @ Jul 27 2009, 11:05 AM) *
my doc just told me to make sure that I am taking 2,000 [size="2"][/size]iu's for depression. I was only taking 800. Anybody else taking this much and do you feel better? hugs-from, 'The princessgod 'of menopause! rolleyes.gif



My doc insisted on 1000 twice a day. If I feel a cold or etc. coming on, I up it to 5000.

Shebee
slo66
QUOTE (Jann @ Nov 21 2009, 11:22 PM) *
Hi Slo...

Wow -- that IS low. I know several folks that have taken 50,000iu D3. I think they just did that for a short time...then they went to a maintenance dose.

I been taking D3 for about 4yrs. My level started out at 26. I've been struggling to get my level higher than 50ng/ml. I've taken as much as 10,000iu daily for over a month...and I still couldn't get my level as high as I wanted. Since I have autoimmune issues [vitiligo, Hashi's] -- I want to maintain a higher level to help support my immune system.

I finally tried the liquid D3 from Life Extension. They describe it as being SUPER absorbable. One drop is 2,000iu D3. I took between 5,000-8,000iu D3. Well.... I can report that they are right. I finally got my level to 82 !!

I will continue with my dosing at this schedule through this flu season -- especially since I didn't get any flu vaccines.

Getting back to your deficiency. I wouldn't worry about the high dose...or any side effects. I would think that the only side effect you will notice is a big difference in how you feel...given that your level was so low. Did you have muscle aches..?? ....depression...?? Do you know what lab they used for the testing..??.. I've never heard anyone have a level THAT low before.

ANYWAY... I do hope that you do well.

Best wishes,
Jann

Hi there..
I would get bad pains in my bones at times, like my legs. Sometimes, tho rarely, I would get calf muscle cramps or weakness. I always have low back issues, pain, aches, etc. and my neck. I was told after an MRI a few years back that I have some bone spurs and starting of osteoarthritis. Im 43 now and was 40 when they told me that. Both my parents have osteoporosis, so I am trying to nip that in the bud before it's too late. Getting a bone density scan next month. Depression...yes, I have had off and on depression and it was worse after my mom passed away, to be expected. But sometimes I will get in a funk and just be blue for no reason! I was laying it on the peri..Im sure the combo of both the lack of vita D and peri, isn't helping. The biggest thing for me was the fatigue..UGH. i am always SOOO tired and lack of energy. And I was told that can be caused by low D too.
the lab they used is ARUP labs in Utah. I am almost tempted to get a re-test it seems so low! But on the results it's says they tested twice. I think they were shocked too! Thanks so much for your help!
chaotichar
I also take the liquid form of vit D3. It's by Carlson. I get it at the vitamin store. One drop is 2,000 IU. My level is ok but with winter coming and living in the midwest my doc says to take this. I only use one drop. A little more expensive but I have enough of horse pills I'm taking now.
boohoo
i started taking vit.d3 1,000 i.u.'s a day for about 2 months now, my fingernails were so fragile that i really never had any, know they are strong and growing fast, i'm quite amazed.
karenwest1961
My nurse practitioner recommended 2000 IU per day. I ordered them and will start as soon as they get here. It couldn't hurt to find out if this helps me.

I just got my 3rd confirmation today that I am not cleared for HRT...EVER. Blood clot scares. I have a-fib, so that only makes sense. Geez Louise.
1hotmess
I was on 5,000 IU for 13 weeks I felt great !!! I now take 6,000 lq. drops a day I say vitiam D is the BEST
caz-art
my level was at 36 and after 6 months of supplementation of around 8,000-10,000mg I went up to 73 after retesting, so it really does work.......have gone to a 2,000mg daily dose now.
Shebee
QUOTE (princessgod @ Jul 27 2009, 11:05 AM) *
my doc just told me to make sure that I am taking 2,000 [size="2"][/size]iu's for depression. I was only taking 800. Anybody else taking this much and do you feel better? hugs-from, 'The princessgod 'of menopause! rolleyes.gif



Yes...my doc recommended that amount. Last time I saw him, he told me to double it. Many women take much more up to 50,000. Out of all the supplements that I have ever taken, I think that the D-3 has been most helpful. It really does many wonderful things for your body.

Shebee
caz-art
although I do still get depressed!
wildflower
I'm on 6,000 iu a day. My level was only 23 almost 4 months ago. I'll be tested again in Feb.
slo66
hey,
I have a question. I was diagnosed with low low low vita D beginning of Nov. It was 4. The doc gave me a prescription for a mega dose of vita D at 50,000 IU. I took one and felt so dizzy, nauseated, etc. I stopped taking it and bought 1,000 Vita D. and have been taking that. I tried the D3 and it also made me super dizzy. So I got the regular Vita D at 1,000 and don't seem to have an issue.
Anyone else have dizziness with the mega dose of vita D or D3? And does anyone know what causes the vita D to go so low? Besides not enough sun exposure. It seems a lot of women have the same issue and I am wondering if it's meno related.
wildflower
QUOTE (slo66 @ Jan 6 2010, 12:12 PM) *
hey,
I have a question. I was diagnosed with low low low vita D beginning of Nov. It was 4. The doc gave me a prescription for a mega dose of vita D at 50,000 IU. I took one and felt so dizzy, nauseated, etc. I stopped taking it and bought 1,000 Vita D. and have been taking that. I tried the D3 and it also made me super dizzy. So I got the regular Vita D at 1,000 and don't seem to have an issue.
Anyone else have dizziness with the mega dose of vita D or D3? And does anyone know what causes the vita D to go so low? Besides not enough sun exposure. It seems a lot of women have the same issue and I am wondering if it's meno related.


I would say "age related", not "meno related", as men also have lowered vitamin D as they age. The skin isn't as efficient at converting the sunlight to vitamin D as it was when we were young which can cause the deficiency.

I don't think I have dizziness with my 6,000 units of D-3. I am having a bout of vertigo but since I started the D-3 months ago and this just happened Sunday I don't think it's D-3 related.

By the way, the D-3 is supposed to be the version of D that our body makes, which is supposedly superior to the most commonly used D supplements. Have you tried 1,000 or 2,000 mg of D-3 rather than super mega doses? It might not hurt to try.
slo66
QUOTE (wildflower @ Jan 6 2010, 01:32 PM) *
I would say "age related", not "meno related", as men also have lowered vitamin D as they age. The skin isn't as efficient at converting the sunlight to vitamin D as it was when we were young which can cause the deficiency.

I don't think I have dizziness with my 6,000 units of D-3. I am having a bout of vertigo but since I started the D-3 months ago and this just happened Sunday I don't think it's D-3 related.

By the way, the D-3 is supposed to be the version of D that our body makes, which is supposedly superior to the most commonly used D supplements. Have you tried 1,000 or 2,000 mg of D-3 rather than super mega doses? It might not hurt to try.

I tried just 400 mg of Vita D3 and I was dizzy. So I am taking just regular vita D at 1000 mg. I asked the pharmacist about the difference about Vita D3 and regular D and he said, "there is none really. It's all hype and trend, for some reason the pharmaceutical companies think D3 is better for you but in reality any vita D if you're deficient, is helpful."

I walked out more confused then when I walked in there....
MaryBeth
QUOTE (Trudysmom @ Aug 6 2009, 02:39 PM) *
You can get a blood test to make sure you have enough. Some sunlight is really good. Not a ton, but a few minutes will make Vit D. It is important for a lot of reasons.


Hi, Trudysmom.

My Dr. said this, too!


Mary Beth




karenwest1961
Clearly that pharmacist has it in for any new study that makes news. I heard the same comments from a couple of folks (who drink like fish and smoke like freight trains): "The Vitamin of the week club", "fad", "trend". I don't put a lot of sweat into their thoughts. It's just opinion.

As far as all Vitamin D being alike, I don't think so. Even the Mayo Clinic, NIH and WebMD says there's a difference. The pharmacist probably doesn't put much thought or faith in integrative medicine anyway. Isn't that the competition for him? LOL.
malkachava
After my depression resolved with the Synthroid, I was still crushingly tired. My internist checked my vitamin D level, and it was almost 50% lower than normal. The doctor prescribed 50,000 IU twice a week for 12 weeks. I have not felt so wonderful in years. We check my level every 6 months, now that I am on a maintenance dosage.

Vitamin D deficiency can cause depression, lethargy, and a host of other "mental health" symptoms.

LYNNIEG
QUOTE (slo66 @ Jan 6 2010, 12:12 PM) *
hey,
I have a question. I was diagnosed with low low low vita D beginning of Nov. It was 4. The doc gave me a prescription for a mega dose of vita D at 50,000 IU. I took one and felt so dizzy, nauseated, etc. I stopped taking it and bought 1,000 Vita D. and have been taking that. I tried the D3 and it also made me super dizzy. So I got the regular Vita D at 1,000 and don't seem to have an issue.
Anyone else have dizziness with the mega dose of vita D or D3? And does anyone know what causes the vita D to go so low? Besides not enough sun exposure. It seems a lot of women have the same issue and I am wondering if it's meno related.


When my low Vit.D level was found, I also wondered how that happens. I heard it was a fat-soluble vitamin so I couldn't figure out why an overweight person like myself could be low! Then I read something that said because it's fat-soluble, it gets stuck in fat instead of moving through the bloodstream where it can be utilized. Another interesting tidbit I read is that it functions like a hormone in our bodies and can be affected by other hormones like the sex hormones, thyroid, etc. So, I'm not expert, just repeating what I read that made sense to me.
Jann
The pharmacist that told you that there is no difference between "regular D" [which I'm presuming to be "D2" ergocalciferol] and D3 (cholecalciferol) is wrong. There is a difference. There are so many references for why the optimal form to be taking is D3. Here's just one that I found:

Vitamin D3, also known as cholecalciferol, is the natural form of vitamin D for humans. Vitamin D3 is produced in the skin with sunlight exposure. Vitamin D2, known as ergocalciferol, is a compound produced by irradiating yeast with ultraviolet light.

A substantial body of new research documents that vitamin D3 is the preferable form and researchers clearly recommend its use. Vitamin D3 has been found to be at least three times as potent as vitamin D2, and is more stable, safe, and useful in the body.
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The less desirable vitamin D2 has been generally used in prescription vitamin preparations and in food fortification, while the nutritional and health food industries generally use the superior, natural vitamin D form, D3. Dr. John Cannell, vitamin D advocate and founder of the nonprofit Vitamin D Council, speaks of vitamin D3 in the following manner:

"If you take ergocalciferol, or "vegetarian" vitamin D, be warned. Ergocalciferol is not vitamin D, but a vitamin D-like patent drug whose patent has expired. It does not normally occur in the human body and is probably a weak agonist at the receptor site, meaning it may actually partially block vitamin D actions. Ergocalciferol is the villain in most of the reported cases of toxicity in the world's literature. All bets are off in terms of measuring blood levels if you take ergocalciferol. Some of the labs can pick it up, and some can't. Don't take ergocalciferol; it is not vitamin D." For more details, see Dr. Alan Gaby's summary of the research comparing vitamin D2 and D3.


As for WHY you become deficient: Dr Michael Holick -- one of the leading vitamin D researchers -- explained it to me this way when I asked whether an autoimmune disease was the cause of a D deficiency or did a D deficiency cause autoimmunity. He said..." Both are correct. D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D." So this is why it's important to keep our levels high -- especially if you have any immune system issues.

As for WHY you become dizzy when taking your D3 supplementation..??... I haven't a clue...I've never experienced anything like that. My suggestion would be to try a liquid form of D3. The one I use from Life Extension has 2,000iu in one drop...and it's tasteless. I take around 6,000-8,000iu D3.

Best wishes,
Jann



MaryBeth
QUOTE (Jann @ Jan 6 2010, 04:49 PM) *
The pharmacist that told you that there is no difference between "regular D" [which I'm presuming to be "D2" ergocalciferol] and D3 (cholecalciferol) is wrong. There is a difference. There are so many references for why the optimal form to be taking is D3. Here's just one that I found:

Vitamin D3, also known as cholecalciferol, is the natural form of vitamin D for humans. Vitamin D3 is produced in the skin with sunlight exposure. Vitamin D2, known as ergocalciferol, is a compound produced by irradiating yeast with ultraviolet light.

A substantial body of new research documents that vitamin D3 is the preferable form and researchers clearly recommend its use. Vitamin D3 has been found to be at least three times as potent as vitamin D2, and is more stable, safe, and useful in the body.


As for WHY you become deficient: Dr Michael Holick -- one of the leading vitamin D researchers -- explained it to me this way when I asked whether an autoimmune disease was the cause of a D deficiency or did a D deficiency cause autoimmunity. He said..." Both are correct. D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D." So this is why it's important to keep our levels high -- especially if you have any immune system issues.

As for WHY you become dizzy when taking your D3 supplementation..??... I haven't a clue...I've never experienced anything like that. My suggestion would be to try a liquid form of D3. The one I use from Life Extension has 2,000iu in one drop...and it's tasteless. I take around 6,000-8,000iu D3.

Best wishes,
Jann



Jann - This is an excellent posting, Thank you.

I did this searching years ago too - I have a friend I have known since we were each around 15 ish. He worked in a tiny Health Food
Store. Then he opened his own when he turned about 35 ish. For the last 15 years or so, he has moved it a few times with the economy,
but still hanging in there. He always had this innate sense....like my friend Wendy went to him with a rash on her cheek, he said,
ohhhh, you have been eating TOO much sugar, it's yeast overgrowth, add some probiotics, Sure enough, she'd say yes, I had several
Starbux with caramel topping. He knows Dr. Mercola, who I sometimes agree with, and sometimes wonder, but I have bought his
juicer and it was totally worth it. My friend is who I turn to when I can't solve a medical issue, or need advice from a Homeopath, not an MD, too.
My Friend has been talking about morning Sun and how we need it for our immune systems since the mid 70's. He always said, it's NOT Vitamin
D - it's D3. He was the one who talked me into asking to have mine checked.
That being, my D3 - Cholecalciferol levels. On a scale of 1-40, with 20 being deficient, I was at the 2nd lowest the hugest lab around
had seen. I asked why, is it that I don't do dairy? No - they said, it's your latitude. Near Boston, you will never make enough by exposing your skin.
I said what are the risks? I asked every Dr. I knew, just sorta curious - they ALL were taking liquid Cholecalciferol at 6,000 -10,000 and suggested I do the same. Ok - 1-40, 20 is bad. Mine was 8. I have checked - it has never ever gone to a toxic level for me personally.
Nor for my husband, who also take the liquid - Jenn - we use the 2,000 drops and put them in beverage until a few times into it,
I tried it plan on my finger and you are right - no taste!!! No capsules, no endless bottles, a HUGE reduction in Cost.
Except for job lay off here, I noticed no previous problems with depression or anything, but my husband mentioned today he had
been forgetting...and he says he had been feeling pretty low. I just figured it was his ER and Pneumonia making him not smile the last few weeks.
( I just this sec asked him - he said "Oh yeah isn't D3 supposed to be good for Seasonal Affective Disorder? And I have not taken D3 in a few weeks?
so we shall see - I will report back in there ;-) My husband has always had some SAD, and especially here VT/NH - Nestled in the Mountains and Trees.
Yesterday I thought I was OFF - Sunset? Check clock - it was 2:37pm!!!

But for me the whole thing about Immune System. If I take it, I do not catch colds and flu. Before I used it, I was always catching a cold every few weeks.
Jenn - this is just awesome and I am so glad you wrote. Absolutely Awesome.
Thank you!!
Mary Beth
mrsbuff
very interesting and informative two last posts. Thanks so much. I believe I am most probably deficient. I only take 1000 D3 per day. Do you know if too much has side effects. I live in Toronto so quite North and lately I have not seen much light. I have been sick now for the past 3 weeks and my main issue right now is hives. I have always had a sensitive skin but lately it is getting worse and I think it is related to stress and a deficient immune system. Any suggestions? do you think it might be connected to lack of D3?
Thanks
MRs buff
karenwest1961
QUOTE (mrsbuff @ Jan 6 2010, 05:40 PM) *
very interesting and informative two last posts. Thanks so much. I believe I am most probably deficient. I only take 1000 D3 per day. Do you know if too much has side effects. I live in Toronto so quite North and lately I have not seen much light. I have been sick now for the past 3 weeks and my main issue right now is hives. I have always had a sensitive skin but lately it is getting worse and I think it is related to stress and a deficient immune system. Any suggestions? do you think it might be connected to lack of D3?
Thanks
MRs buff


I wasn't checked to see if I were deficient, but doc told me to take 2000 IU a day. That amount doesn't see so high compared to what others are taking here. You could ask your pharmacist if it's safe for you to double your dose. On another note, Dr. Weil (drweil.com) recommends that everyone take 1000 a day.

As far as the hives, you should get your doc to check those really quick. You could have taken on a new allergy to something...at least rule it out anyway.
mrsbuff
thanks Karen. Was reading your other post. Hope you are feelign better today. I went to my doctor but she did not seem to want to look after my hives issue. She pretty much think it is stress related. WEll with my story of anxiety, I am dealt like a hypochondriac!
Mrs Buff really cold in Toronto
Jann
Hello Everyone,

I thought I would share this info from Dr Cannell from The Vitamin D Council [website]: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/defi...deficient.shtml

QUOTE
Am I Vitamin D Deficient?

There is no way to know for certain until you get a 25-hydroxyvitamin D test, also called a 25(OH)D. Levels should be above 50 ng/ml year-round, in both children and adults.Thanks to Bruce Hollis, Robert Heaney, Neil Binkley, and others, we now know the minimal acceptable level. It is 50 ng/ml. In a recent study, Heaney, et al expanded on Bruce Hollis's seminal work by analyzing five studies in which both the parent compound (cholecalciferol) and 25(OH)D levels were measured. They found that the body does not reliably begin storing cholecalciferol in fat and muscle tissue until 25(OH)D levels get above 50 ng/ml. The average person starts to store cholecalciferol at 40 ng/ml, but at 50 ng/ml virtually everyone begins to store it for future use. That is, at levels below 50 ng/ml, the body uses up vitamin D as fast as you can make it, or take it, indicating chronic substrate starvation—not a good thing. 25(OH)D levels should be between 50–80 ng/ml, year-round.

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What We Recommend

If you use suntan parlors once a week or if you live in Florida and sunbathe once a week, year-round, do nothing. However, if you have little UVB exposure, my advice is as follows: healthy children under the age of 1 years should take 1,000 IU per day—over the age of 1, 1,000 IU per every 25 pounds of body weight per day. Well adults and adolescents should take 5,000 IU per day. Around 2–3 months later have a 25-hydroxyvitamin D blood test, either through ZRT or your doctor.

Start supplementing with the vitamin D before you have the blood test. Then adjust your dose so your 25(OH)D level is between 50–80 ng/ml, summer and winter. But remember, these are conservative dosage recommendations. Most people who avoid the sun—and virtually all dark-skinned people—will have to increase their dose once they find their blood level is still low, even after two months of the above dosage, especially in the winter. Some people may feel more comfortable ordering the blood test before they start adequate doses of vitamin D. We understand. Test as often as you feel the need to, just remember, no one can get toxic on the doses recommended above and some people will need even more.



For those that are nervous about taking more than a 1,000iu D3 -- I would trust the advice given at the Vitamin D Council. The best thing to do is to have the '25,hydroxy' blood test. You don't have to go to a doctor to get the lab request. You can order it online at places like Life Extension. You won't be able to use your insurance but sometimes your co-pay would be higher. Life Extension members pay $47 - non-members pay $67 (I think?). Also Life Extension has 'sales' on their blood testing. I ordered several vitamin D tests at once and then used them when I needed to. There are other online sites that offer this service too. ie; HealthCheck USA. AT the Vitamin D Council's website they offer a home-kit testing kit. I never used this one but thought I would mention it. Once you know your level then you can determine whether the amount of D3 you are taking is enough -- you can adjust your dose based on your results. I feel very confident that having higher levels of D3 will improve immunity / health. I know it's helped mine.

My grandchildren take more than 1,000iu and some are toddlers. In fact three of my grandchildren had been taking a chewable D3 product -- 2,000-3,000iu D3. We had their levels tested. Two of them were at 32 and one at 27. Waaaay too low -- especially with this H1N1 flu spike about to hit again. Now this makes me question the quality of the chewable but I also have to consider their ability to ABSORB the chewable. We're switching them to the liquid D3 that I get at Life Extension. I'm going to pay to have their level retested again. I think it is THAT important.

ANYWAY....just wanted to point out how important it is to test because there are multiple factors to consider.

Best wishes,
Jann



RE: Hives -- I think your body is trying to tell you something if you have hives...and there could be many reasons. Here's a link to a website that I like reference when I have health issues / questions so you can give it some consideration. I was surprised to see that hives may be an indicator for a thyroid issue.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C219472.html

Also, if you don't feel comfortable that your doctor BELIEVES your symptoms ie; they think you're a hypochondriac -- then I think you need to find a more caring doctor....one that really listens.


mrsbuff
Dear Jann,
thank you very much for all this info. VEry interesting as 1.5 ago my thyroid results were low but when the test was redone it came back normal. I had an ultrasound of my thyroid which showed small size (i am having a brain fog moment 'things' on it). I suspect my thyroid is off but my doctor don't see the point is doing more than the regular test. I will follow your advice and have the test done through a private clinic (I am in Canada) so can't go past my doctor to get the tests done.
thank you again, your caring is appreciated
Mrs Buff
Jann
Hi Mrs Buff,

Ah....Canada...hopefully you can get the testing you want done on your own somehow...both the vitamin D AND some thyroid testing. I have Hashi's and the tests that I use to monitor and maintain my thyroid are --> TSH, Free T3, Free T4, and TPO...which measure thyroid antibodies.

Let me know if I can help you further...because I think I understand what your feeling / experiencing. One of my first symptoms of thyroid disease was unexplained ANXIETY -- that went on for years. I just did NOT have any reason to feel that 'weird anxiety'. When I brought it up to the doctors they asked if I felt depressed (which I didn't). The only thing offered to me was antidepressants which thankfully I knew much better than to go down that road. I just knew that there had to be an explanation....that I must be deficient in something.

At the same time as this anxiety was happening I would have yearly big-deal physicals at a pretty well known clinic and my thyroid screening test results came back borderline...which I didn't know about at the time. The doctors just told me that my tests were 'normal'. I didn't know back then about OPTIMAL thyroid levels. I didn't even know back then to pay attention to anything thyroid related. It wasn't until a few years into this anxiety state that I went to an 'alternative / integrated medicine' doctor and she ran several hundred dollars worth of tests that included the TSH and TPO & the FT3 FT4 tests too. Up until this point I only had the TSH test done. Well, she was the one that explained it all to me. So then I started to research about [autoimmune] thyroid disease and I read where one of the first symptoms is "ANXIETY". It made me really mad because if anxiety goes on too long you can develop phobias...which I had. ie; flying...driving on the freeway. Things that I had done for years without a thought -- it now bothered me to the point that I avoided them.

ANYWAY...just wanted to share that when we [our bodies] are NOT feeling like they should...ie. there's a change that you don't have an explanation for -- then you need to do some exploring. The thyroid function is involved in almost every other body function so when it is NOT operating OPTIMALLY then there is a cascading effect to other functions. The thyroid function should be one of the first things doctors should check for when a patient says they are experiencing unexplained anxiety. And the test results should be OPTIMAL thyroid levels before they rule out any thyroid issues. To be clear -- you don't want to be one point away from a disease state...you want to have OPTIMAL levels.

Good luck...and best wishes,
Jann
mrsbuff
wow Jann,
I can recognize myself in what you are writing. Worse part about it is that my mom, brother and sister have thyroid disease and I did mention it to my doctor. Anyway, I will keep you posted and I appreciate the time you took to help me. I don't want to keep up this post on this topic as it is supposed to be about Vitamin D so I apologize for hoarding the thread.
take care and thank yo again I learned so much today just by reading your 2 posts
Mrs Buff
caz-art
I did my testing through *** and it was very quick, very easy and you get the results via e-mail within about 36-48hrs and it is $59.99...right now they have a 15% off offer if you do it before end of Jan. (they issue an order and you take it to Labcorp or Quest to get the blood drawn).

caz
karenwest1961
QUOTE (caz-art @ Jan 9 2010, 03:55 PM) *
I did my testing through *** and it was very quick, very easy and you get the results via e-mail within about 36-48hrs and it is $59.99...right now they have a 15% off offer if you do it before end of Jan. (they issue an order and you take it to Labcorp or Quest to get the blood drawn).

caz


That's a great source of info caz. Thanks! I just ordered the Vitamin D screening. With the discount, it comes out to $50 bucks and some change. Thanks!
MaryBeth
QUOTE (mrsbuff @ Jan 6 2010, 05:40 PM) *
very interesting and informative two last posts. Thanks so much. I believe I am most probably deficient. I only take 1000 D3 per day. Do you know if too much has side effects. I live in Toronto so quite North and lately I have not seen much light. I have been sick now for the past 3 weeks and my main issue right now is hives. I have always had a sensitive skin but lately it is getting worse and I think it is related to stress and a deficient immune system. Any suggestions? do you think it might be connected to lack of D3?
Thanks
MRs buff



Mrs. Buff, I have been so busy the last few weeks, I missed your post - I do not know about how much is too much -
I had heard some people get depressed with D deficiency. But Mrs. Buff, now that you mention it, I had hives off and on before I started on D3 for
defiency years ago. I had mine treated so long ago, I don't recall everything smile.gif
But as far as mood or feel, I never noticed a shift with sudden high doses.
The only thing I experienced was less being sick colds and things like that. But stress all by itself would mess with your immune system.
We all have stressors - but if unaddressed, then that constant undercurrent is what I think of as "stress".
ANother one is today is full of changes, newness, and those 2 alone stress the body, even like in my situtation, I have some wonderful things in my life and am under it all a very grateful and happy person, I still have health stuff that adds stressors. My Dr. said anyone at my lattitude ( Boston area roughly)
never can get enough D3 from the sun even in summer. I asked some Dr. Friends in my area, they all said the same, but I really don't know.

Is there somewhere you could go, my Primary Care Dr suggested it for me, as my Mom has Osteoporosis and had all the risk factors.
But this was years ago. I just know how much keeps me straight on level blood wise so that is what I take - about 8000 IU a day, or 4 drops.

Mary Beth
CarolH
I've had two separate doctors tell me my Vit D was low and to start taking vit d. I began taking it and thought it made me feel better but then stopped because I thought it was giving me diarrhea. Recently I've tried to start taking it again and each time I do, I feel miserable. I wonder if it's not affecting my hormones. It's only 1000 of D3. Any idea why it would make me feel so miserable? Depressed, irritated, tired. We're talking about an hour after taking it. I can feel great and energetic, take D3 and an hour later I'm snapping at DH and just want to be left alone. This is the 3rd time recently when I've tied these emotions to D3 so I'm pretty sure it's not just a fluke.

Any ideas?

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