I tried DIM (Diindolylmethane) for estrogen balance....it's supposed to increase the good ratio of estrogen and decrease the bad estrogen metabolites. I have read some women felt great on it but when I was on it although I did lose some weight, had increased energy and less pain mentally I felt very sick having depression mixed with anxiety and depersonalization. I'm trying to figure out if others had this experience and if it could be due to it decreasing estradiol too much or increasing estrogen too much that made me feel so bad on it? I even decreased to a minimal dose and though the side effects were less they were still persistent. I also had extreme increase in thirst, sweats and blurry vision. Could anyone offer any ideas on this?
I also had a similar experience with Brevail which can decrease estradiol. It is a ligan formula and read some others had heightened anxiety feeling unwell on flaxseed which contains ligans. I just don't understand why so many feel so good on these and touted as miracles for balance and I felt so worse. I'm hoping to hear from others speaking up with similar experiences or if anyone might know the reasons behind it.
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Hi shar
I have been following your posts. First I want to send you my support and although we will likely never meet or speak in person please know that I am thinking of you in your struggle and sending you compassionate and gentle thoughts.
You can read my past posts to see where I've been in this journey and let me say to you something which you have heard many times - you are not alone!
To address your post I think its impossible for us to determine exactly "why" some us of respond to treatments so well and others don't. In my opinion it is just a case of a vast differences in our body chemistries and where we are in any point in time depending on our hormones and/or other issues.
It is awful to try and try new remedies with the hope that there might be a panacea for the pain many of us experience only to be dissapointed but try we must. Many PS sisters find the answer by just letting time pass, others investigate each potential remedy and find their answer or at least one that gives them enough comfort to retain a quality of life.
I do not have specific answers for you about DIM and Flax but was encouraged to see you post about potential remedies/conflicts. I did try DIM breifly at the beginning of my peri issues 3 years ago at the suggestion of a nutritionist but abandoned it quickly. I truthfully cant even remember why so I'll be interested in other responses to this thread.
You're still in the fight babe and supported by all of us. Eventually you will win!
xo pooks
I have been following your posts. First I want to send you my support and although we will likely never meet or speak in person please know that I am thinking of you in your struggle and sending you compassionate and gentle thoughts.
You can read my past posts to see where I've been in this journey and let me say to you something which you have heard many times - you are not alone!
To address your post I think its impossible for us to determine exactly "why" some us of respond to treatments so well and others don't. In my opinion it is just a case of a vast differences in our body chemistries and where we are in any point in time depending on our hormones and/or other issues.
It is awful to try and try new remedies with the hope that there might be a panacea for the pain many of us experience only to be dissapointed but try we must. Many PS sisters find the answer by just letting time pass, others investigate each potential remedy and find their answer or at least one that gives them enough comfort to retain a quality of life.
I do not have specific answers for you about DIM and Flax but was encouraged to see you post about potential remedies/conflicts. I did try DIM breifly at the beginning of my peri issues 3 years ago at the suggestion of a nutritionist but abandoned it quickly. I truthfully cant even remember why so I'll be interested in other responses to this thread.
You're still in the fight babe and supported by all of us. Eventually you will win!
xo pooks
Good morning!
I take DIM. It's one of the ingredients in a supplement I take called EstroSense. There are a number of other things in this supplement that (also) supports the liver (milk thistle).
It really is a great all round supplement for women our age.
I've been taking it (when I remember) for years now and have never felt any negative side effects from it. I actually don't FEEL any effects from it at all and don't believe I'm supposed to.
A daily dose should give me 100 mgs. of DIM. I don't know how that compares to what dose you are taking.
I take DIM. It's one of the ingredients in a supplement I take called EstroSense. There are a number of other things in this supplement that (also) supports the liver (milk thistle).
It really is a great all round supplement for women our age.
I've been taking it (when I remember) for years now and have never felt any negative side effects from it. I actually don't FEEL any effects from it at all and don't believe I'm supposed to.
A daily dose should give me 100 mgs. of DIM. I don't know how that compares to what dose you are taking.
Goodness, I wish I would have scrolled far enough to see your post. I had just searched for posts about DIM and none were found, so I started another one asking about DIM.
Do you think your side effects were caused by DIM? When reading about it on the web, I read something about negative side effects like you experienced but I haven't been able to find that article anymore.
Do you think your side effects were caused by DIM? When reading about it on the web, I read something about negative side effects like you experienced but I haven't been able to find that article anymore.
QUOTE (manyboys @ Jul 9 2009, 07:39 AM) 
Good morning!
I take DIM. It's one of the ingredients in a supplement I take called EstroSense. There are a number of other things in this supplement that (also) supports the liver (milk thistle).
It really is a great all round supplement for women our age.
I've been taking it (when I remember) for years now and have never felt any negative side effects from it. I actually don't FEEL any effects from it at all and don't believe I'm supposed to.
A daily dose should give me 100 mgs. of DIM. I don't know how that compares to what dose you are taking.
I take DIM. It's one of the ingredients in a supplement I take called EstroSense. There are a number of other things in this supplement that (also) supports the liver (milk thistle).
It really is a great all round supplement for women our age.
I've been taking it (when I remember) for years now and have never felt any negative side effects from it. I actually don't FEEL any effects from it at all and don't believe I'm supposed to.
A daily dose should give me 100 mgs. of DIM. I don't know how that compares to what dose you are taking.
I just bought today, EstroSense, but I also research it before, and listen to ppl like manyboys... The thing that is truly different about Estrosense, is that it does have the other properties to deal w/estrogen and the body getting rid of it... One of the things that I had read, is that it is better when taken w/Calcium D Glucate, and also Milk Thistle helps the liver to get rid of it.... As for my self, I can't sit here and say, yep Estrosense has help, cuz I just started, but it does have the other properties that support the management of the body getting rid of it...
And yes, everyone is different. And for me, I don't know, is all this stuff going to work, my gosh, I am on supplements, coq10 (which my BP has been great lately), Omega 3's, now I have added this, will help, only time tell. Are our bodies being over loaded w/toxins, and estrogen in both our enviroment and esp in our food supply, well yes, that has been proven, so I can only hope that what I am doing is helping....
My point is this... I hear alot of ppl have bowel problems w/magnesium, welll I use to as well, unti I learned that we need good supply of calcium w/the magnisum, and guess what no more bowel problems. In other words, if DIM does work, then are there other things that we need to take w/it to help the body rid itself of the excess estrogen. Certain vitiamins go hand and hand w/other, and I think DIM is one of them.
Just my opinion....
Hey Becca,
Thought I'd check in to see how your shopping trip went.....I'm glad to see that you were able to find the Estrosense. You've pretty much nailed it with the ingredients and that they work synergistically. It is definitely an excellent supplement.
Did Whole Foods have any of her other products?
I hear that Menosense works great too, although I've never used it.
I started with Estrosense in peri when I was very estrogen dominant and that worried me.
Now I take it because I supplement with estrogen and feel it's good protection.
Thought I'd check in to see how your shopping trip went.....I'm glad to see that you were able to find the Estrosense. You've pretty much nailed it with the ingredients and that they work synergistically. It is definitely an excellent supplement.
Did Whole Foods have any of her other products?
I hear that Menosense works great too, although I've never used it.
I started with Estrosense in peri when I was very estrogen dominant and that worried me.
Now I take it because I supplement with estrogen and feel it's good protection.
So the Estrosense (and Menosense) can be purchased at Whole Foods? If so, that's wonderful! I'm always very leary when something has to be ordered off of the web.
I researched these products before I bought them. Here in Canada they're available in most health food stores and our Whole Foods also. I didn't even know about the web site until recently.....
So, if you have any questions about them you can ask at your health food store.
I never buy anything like this without doing my due diligence......;-)
Happy shopping....!
So, if you have any questions about them you can ask at your health food store.
I never buy anything like this without doing my due diligence......;-)
Happy shopping....!
QUOTE (K2sad @ Jul 23 2009, 06:56 AM)
So the Estrosense (and Menosense) can be purchased at Whole Foods? If so, that's wonderful! I'm always very leary when something has to be ordered off of the web.
Yes I checked while I was there, and Whole Foods had both Estrosense and Menosense. I did not see her FemmeEssentials, for which I was considering a vitamin supplement.
I did feel a little crappy last night, night sweets Big Time... Any one ever have their night sweets come w/the palpitations.. I notice that last night. I do not think this was related to supplement, cuz I am coming up on my period within next few days, and ahhhh these are always the worst days.... Had one of those nights where you sleep good for about 4 hours, only to wake up sweeting, heart pounding, kicking the sheets off the bed, running the hubby out of the room. I had even taken the Ativan before I went to bed, which usually keeps me sleeping all night, and nothing... I am sure it lessen my anxiety through the night, boy I do a lot of talking to God that at night...LOL
I am going to continue though, cuz what I experienced last night is very typical before my period, for about a week... lovely... Love the rollercoaster of hormones...
Manyboys.... How long have you been taking it? How soon did you start to notice the effects? Are you still in peri? And how would you rate your symptoms today, verse say when you started w/all this.... (I know so many questions, but other ppls experience helpful...)
Why can we fix our typos after we typed... LOL sweats, not sweets... nothing sweet about night sweats.... peri brain...
QUOTE (shar14 @ Jul 9 2009, 04:31 AM)
I also had a similar experience with Brevail which can decrease estradiol. It is a ligan formula and read some others had heightened anxiety feeling unwell on flaxseed which contains ligans. I just don't understand why so many feel so good on these and touted as miracles for balance and I felt so worse. I'm hoping to hear from others speaking up with similar experiences or if anyone might know the reasons behind it.
Dearest Shar,
I havent heard from you on aol, so I am really praying that you are OK.
I just wanted to say that I had my WORST episode of PANIC/ANXIETY after taking mega doses of a very potent brand of Flaxseed oil combined with black cohosh pills (remifemin to be exact) combined with Revival Soy. I didnt know what I was doing, or why I would have ever combined 3 powerful phytoestrogens like that, but I was so desperate and I thought it would help me. Prior to doing that I had missed a period, then had very light ones, had lost my sex drive completely, vaginal dryness, depression, brain fog, fatigure, joint pain, blurry vision, dizzyness, tremors, and terrible anxiety before my period. I thought all those were symptoms of Estrogen deficieny and that by taking all that stuff I was doing a GOOD thing. Well, I was about a week into it when I felt like I went into the worst DR I ever had along with a total psychotic breakdown (with near hallucinations and became completely debilitated). That was at the end of April and I am still not myself at all, as you know. I have heard of DIM also and was very interested in trying it, but the thing that stopped me was reading on the web about some of the side effects, like the ones you mentioned that might happen when taking it. At this point, I have messed up my already messed up body chemistry that I really dont know what to do anymore. I can tell you though, my DR/DP was never as bad as it got to until I took that combination of phytoestrogens at the same time. I feel like I actually induced brain damage in myself. So what I want to know is when we feel this peri-related anxiety. Is it from our E levels dropping or rising???? I am so confused and not sure what to do/try anymore.
Hugs,
Dee
QUOTE (Becca233 @ Jul 23 2009, 08:54 AM)
Yes I checked while I was there, and Whole Foods had both Estrosense and Menosense. I did not see her FemmeEssentials, for which I was considering a vitamin supplement.
I did feel a little crappy last night, night sweets Big Time... Any one ever have their night sweets come w/the palpitations.. I notice that last night. I do not think this was related to supplement, cuz I am coming up on my period within next few days, and ahhhh these are always the worst days.... Had one of those nights where you sleep good for about 4 hours, only to wake up sweeting, heart pounding, kicking the sheets off the bed, running the hubby out of the room. I had even taken the Ativan before I went to bed, which usually keeps me sleeping all night, and nothing... I am sure it lessen my anxiety through the night, boy I do a lot of talking to God that at night...LOL
I am going to continue though, cuz what I experienced last night is very typical before my period, for about a week... lovely... Love the rollercoaster of hormones...
Manyboys.... How long have you been taking it? How soon did you start to notice the effects? Are you still in peri? And how would you rate your symptoms today, verse say when you started w/all this.... (I know so many questions, but other ppls experience helpful...)
I did feel a little crappy last night, night sweets Big Time... Any one ever have their night sweets come w/the palpitations.. I notice that last night. I do not think this was related to supplement, cuz I am coming up on my period within next few days, and ahhhh these are always the worst days.... Had one of those nights where you sleep good for about 4 hours, only to wake up sweeting, heart pounding, kicking the sheets off the bed, running the hubby out of the room. I had even taken the Ativan before I went to bed, which usually keeps me sleeping all night, and nothing... I am sure it lessen my anxiety through the night, boy I do a lot of talking to God that at night...LOL
I am going to continue though, cuz what I experienced last night is very typical before my period, for about a week... lovely... Love the rollercoaster of hormones...
Manyboys.... How long have you been taking it? How soon did you start to notice the effects? Are you still in peri? And how would you rate your symptoms today, verse say when you started w/all this.... (I know so many questions, but other ppls experience helpful...)
Becca,
Please keep us posted on your progress with the Estrosense. It seems interesting, and hoping it really helps you! Though I just stated in another post to Shar, at this point, Im scared out of my mind to try anything else after what has happened to me.
Love,
Dee
QUOTE (Becca233 @ Jul 23 2009, 08:54 AM)
Yes I checked while I was there, and Whole Foods had both Estrosense and Menosense. I did not see her FemmeEssentials, for which I was considering a vitamin supplement.
I did feel a little crappy last night, night sweets Big Time... Any one ever have their night sweets come w/the palpitations.. I notice that last night. I do not think this was related to supplement, cuz I am coming up on my period within next few days, and ahhhh these are always the worst days.... Had one of those nights where you sleep good for about 4 hours, only to wake up sweeting, heart pounding, kicking the sheets off the bed, running the hubby out of the room. I had even taken the Ativan before I went to bed, which usually keeps me sleeping all night, and nothing... I am sure it lessen my anxiety through the night, boy I do a lot of talking to God that at night...LOL
I am going to continue though, cuz what I experienced last night is very typical before my period, for about a week... lovely... Love the rollercoaster of hormones...
Manyboys.... How long have you been taking it? How soon did you start to notice the effects? Are you still in peri? And how would you rate your symptoms today, verse say when you started w/all this.... (I know so many questions, but other ppls experience helpful...)
I did feel a little crappy last night, night sweets Big Time... Any one ever have their night sweets come w/the palpitations.. I notice that last night. I do not think this was related to supplement, cuz I am coming up on my period within next few days, and ahhhh these are always the worst days.... Had one of those nights where you sleep good for about 4 hours, only to wake up sweeting, heart pounding, kicking the sheets off the bed, running the hubby out of the room. I had even taken the Ativan before I went to bed, which usually keeps me sleeping all night, and nothing... I am sure it lessen my anxiety through the night, boy I do a lot of talking to God that at night...LOL
I am going to continue though, cuz what I experienced last night is very typical before my period, for about a week... lovely... Love the rollercoaster of hormones...
Manyboys.... How long have you been taking it? How soon did you start to notice the effects? Are you still in peri? And how would you rate your symptoms today, verse say when you started w/all this.... (I know so many questions, but other ppls experience helpful...)
Hey,
I've been using Estrosense for about 4 years now. My last period was May 08 so I may be done???
I started using bios in October 08 and they have taken care of a good portion of peri/meno symptoms but when I was in peri and not taking anything, the one symptom of peri that I found Estrosense worked great for was breast tenderness. I have FBD and at that time my boobs were so swollen and painful. This really helped with that.
But, the reason I take it is for the protective qualities of the ingredients. Not so much for symptom relief.
The milk thistle cleanses the liver (among other things) and that in itself can sometimes cause a slight feeling of malaise and headache but that's just toxins being flushed from your system. And, it subsides after using it for a while. If you're toxic and you cleanse, you'll feel it.
That's about the only side effect I've ever felt from using it.
Stay with it and be patient!!!!
QUOTE (DollieDee @ Jul 23 2009, 10:01 AM)
Becca,
Please keep us posted on your progress with the Estrosense. It seems interesting, and hoping it really helps you! Though I just stated in another post to Shar, at this point, Im scared out of my mind to try anything else after what has happened to me.
Love,
Dee
Please keep us posted on your progress with the Estrosense. It seems interesting, and hoping it really helps you! Though I just stated in another post to Shar, at this point, Im scared out of my mind to try anything else after what has happened to me.
Love,
Dee
Oh I hear you... Like last night when the night sweats started, and the not being able to sleep, I wanted to immediately blame it on the Estrosense, but literally that's how I feel prior to my cycle too. I was thinking though, I may stop the EstroSense until my period starts. Meaning, I start it on day one, instead right towards the end of my cycle, bcz if this stuff does work at balancing out the hormones, perhaps starting them right before my period may not be the best thing....
What happen to you? please share if you don't mind...
Cuz trust me, I am a chicken when it comes to adding anything.. For example, I bought a new multi yesterday, cuz mine is almost out, and do you know I am now scared to try, namely cuz it has 300% of niacin (dont like that - and didn't notice that in the store
).... The joys of looking for a supplement, in the women's section w/a curious 10 year old boy... Hey mom, what estrogren, whats menopause, whats hot flas, what what what what... I was like never mind son, mommy's ready to go now... OMGish what a trip...QUOTE (manyboys @ Jul 23 2009, 10:28 AM)
Hey,
I've been using Estrosense for about 4 years now. My last period was May 08 so I may be done???
I started using bios in October 08 and they have taken care of a good portion of peri/meno symptoms but when I was in peri and not taking anything, the one symptom of peri that I found Estrosense worked great for was breast tenderness. I have FBD and at that time my boobs were so swollen and painful. This really helped with that.
But, the reason I take it is for the protective qualities of the ingredients. Not so much for symptom relief.
The milk thistle cleanses the liver (among other things) and that in itself can sometimes cause a slight feeling of malaise and headache but that's just toxins being flushed from your system. And, it subsides after using it for a while. If you're toxic and you cleanse, you'll feel it.
That's about the only side effect I've ever felt from using it.
Stay with it and be patient!!!!
I've been using Estrosense for about 4 years now. My last period was May 08 so I may be done???
I started using bios in October 08 and they have taken care of a good portion of peri/meno symptoms but when I was in peri and not taking anything, the one symptom of peri that I found Estrosense worked great for was breast tenderness. I have FBD and at that time my boobs were so swollen and painful. This really helped with that.
But, the reason I take it is for the protective qualities of the ingredients. Not so much for symptom relief.
The milk thistle cleanses the liver (among other things) and that in itself can sometimes cause a slight feeling of malaise and headache but that's just toxins being flushed from your system. And, it subsides after using it for a while. If you're toxic and you cleanse, you'll feel it.
That's about the only side effect I've ever felt from using it.
Stay with it and be patient!!!!
Hey thanks for that, cuz I was wonder the exact same thing, i do feel a little nausea this morning, but I also know Milk Thistle is great for the liver. I friend of mine husband was dx w/cirrhosis of the liver. The doctor put him on a lot of meds of course, but he also told him to take the Milk Thistle, that studies have shown it helps the liver in many ways. Well he is find, and grant it he was on other meds, but to overcome cirrhosis is huge, and he said that the dr said patients that Milk thistle during treatment always respond better. Now that he is fine, the doctor tells him to take the Milk Thistle everyday...
Becca- I wish we could edit our posts too. Maybe there's a way, but I never figured it out here on PS.
DollieDee-Sometimes the more I learn about all of this stuff, the more confused I get. So, you are not alone in that respect! What always gets me thinking is this: if our hormones go up and down so much day to day, (or even hour to hour!) during peri and after, how can anything ever help??
Manyboys-thanks for mentioning that the Estrosense helped you with breast tenderness. That's my latest "killer" symptom. It used to be that it lasted for just a few days. Lately, though, it can last up to two weeks a month. I have to have two different bra sizes. Aleve takes care of it, but I don't like taking that for more than a few days at a time. I like to save Aleve for the days that I get horrible menstrual cramps . I'm wondering how the Menosense and Estrosense differ. I will have to research that.
DollieDee-Sometimes the more I learn about all of this stuff, the more confused I get. So, you are not alone in that respect! What always gets me thinking is this: if our hormones go up and down so much day to day, (or even hour to hour!) during peri and after, how can anything ever help??
Manyboys-thanks for mentioning that the Estrosense helped you with breast tenderness. That's my latest "killer" symptom. It used to be that it lasted for just a few days. Lately, though, it can last up to two weeks a month. I have to have two different bra sizes. Aleve takes care of it, but I don't like taking that for more than a few days at a time. I like to save Aleve for the days that I get horrible menstrual cramps . I'm wondering how the Menosense and Estrosense differ. I will have to research that.
I meant to add that I've read good things about milk thistle. There's a yummy tea from Celestial Seasonings that comes out around the holiday-Sugar Cookie Sleigh Ride. It's milk thistle tea and tastes just like cookies when you add in a little sugar. 
Thought I would mention (and not sure if it makes any difference to everyone), but I take my supplements in the morning. I NEVER take anything but magnesium and P cream at night. I am pretty sensitive to anything that goes in my system and there have been a few instances where I've forgotten to take my multi until dinner time and it's kept me up all night.....
I don't think there is anything in the Estrosense that should effect you adversely (but never say never, right?) but I would suggest taking it in the AM anyway.
I believe Menosense has more of the herbs for menopause like black cohosh, chasteberry and dong quai.
I don't think there is anything in the Estrosense that should effect you adversely (but never say never, right?) but I would suggest taking it in the AM anyway.
I believe Menosense has more of the herbs for menopause like black cohosh, chasteberry and dong quai.
Manyboys- That's so interesting about your multi keeping you up at night. I take my multi at night...hmmm.... maybe that contributes to my insomnia.
The reason I take my multi at night is because it has calcium in it. I read that only so much calcium can be absorbed at one time and I have yogurt and skim milk every am, thus the multi in the pm. Maybe I will try switiching times. You gave me something to think about!
Black cohosh is something I want to stay away from. I was warned from a dr. friend to stay away from it because of breast cancer running in my family. Pretty much this is why I'm chicken to try most things, though.
The reason I take my multi at night is because it has calcium in it. I read that only so much calcium can be absorbed at one time and I have yogurt and skim milk every am, thus the multi in the pm. Maybe I will try switiching times. You gave me something to think about!
Black cohosh is something I want to stay away from. I was warned from a dr. friend to stay away from it because of breast cancer running in my family. Pretty much this is why I'm chicken to try most things, though.
QUOTE (K2sad @ Jul 23 2009, 06:28 PM)
Manyboys- That's so interesting about your multi keeping you up at night. I take my multi at night...hmmm.... maybe that contributes to my insomnia.
The reason I take my multi at night is because it has calcium in it. I read that only so much calcium can be absorbed at one time and I have yogurt and skim milk every am, thus the multi in the pm. Maybe I will try switiching times. You gave me something to think about!
Black cohosh is something I want to stay away from. I was warned from a dr. friend to stay away from it because of breast cancer running in my family. Pretty much this is why I'm chicken to try most things, though.
The reason I take my multi at night is because it has calcium in it. I read that only so much calcium can be absorbed at one time and I have yogurt and skim milk every am, thus the multi in the pm. Maybe I will try switiching times. You gave me something to think about!
Black cohosh is something I want to stay away from. I was warned from a dr. friend to stay away from it because of breast cancer running in my family. Pretty much this is why I'm chicken to try most things, though.
Hi there,
I think the B vitamins in my multi along with a couple of other things kind of energize me so I take them in the morning.
I agree with you about black cohosh. It doesn't agree with me.....:-)
c
Milk thistle is great for helping to rebuild cells and to help protect the liver from toxins. Ive been taking it since diagnosed with Hep C, a little over 5 years now.
I would love to be able to try some of the things mentioned here but always have to do mega research before I ingest anything. Black Cohash is a big no no for me .
gets really annoying but I certainly want to stay as far away from cirhossis as possible. Ive never had any side effects from the Milk Thistle and most people dont have any reaction from taking it. Anything that helps the liver function well is a good thing.
Becca, sounds like your friends hubby also had hep and the treatment may have cleared him but he will never be clear of
cirhossis, its a permanant scarring of the liver and cant be cured, treatment can slow it down or stop it completely and reduce the chances of liver complications if it works. But many people live perfectly normal lives with it in alot of cases especially if cleared of the hepatitis if in fact thats what it was.
Manyboys, I have to agree about the multi, though I dont take a multi ( take all my suppliments individually ) I never take my B complex after like 3:00 cuz Im always afraid it will keep me awake and I have enough problems with that.
It can all be so confusing trying to figure out what to take and whats safe. Tomorrow I start a low dose of Prozac and hoping that will help with my flashes.
Helen
I would love to be able to try some of the things mentioned here but always have to do mega research before I ingest anything. Black Cohash is a big no no for me .
gets really annoying but I certainly want to stay as far away from cirhossis as possible. Ive never had any side effects from the Milk Thistle and most people dont have any reaction from taking it. Anything that helps the liver function well is a good thing. Becca, sounds like your friends hubby also had hep and the treatment may have cleared him but he will never be clear of
cirhossis, its a permanant scarring of the liver and cant be cured, treatment can slow it down or stop it completely and reduce the chances of liver complications if it works. But many people live perfectly normal lives with it in alot of cases especially if cleared of the hepatitis if in fact thats what it was.
Manyboys, I have to agree about the multi, though I dont take a multi ( take all my suppliments individually ) I never take my B complex after like 3:00 cuz Im always afraid it will keep me awake and I have enough problems with that.
It can all be so confusing trying to figure out what to take and whats safe. Tomorrow I start a low dose of Prozac and hoping that will help with my flashes.
Helen
Shar-
I was in Walmart yesterday looking at what they offered for menopause supplements. I started a conversation with a customer who was doing the very same thing same thing! Anyway, she told me that she had tried so DIM and she thought it made her depressed and anxious. She also mentioned about blurry vision! It was the only thing she was taking at the time, so she was sure it was the DIM.
I was in Walmart yesterday looking at what they offered for menopause supplements. I started a conversation with a customer who was doing the very same thing same thing! Anyway, she told me that she had tried so DIM and she thought it made her depressed and anxious. She also mentioned about blurry vision! It was the only thing she was taking at the time, so she was sure it was the DIM.
Shar-
I meant to add that I'm like that too about things not working for me when they work for so many others. When I tried adding a tablespoon of ground flax to the yogurt I eat every morning my I got acne all over my face and a big increase in breast tenderness and menstrual cramps. That was the only thing I was trying at the time too.
Same thing when I tried just progesterone cream I bought off the shelf at Walmart. In just two days of use I got yucky side effects.
Please email me in the future if you find anything that helps you at all. It sounds as if we have similar body chemistry.
I meant to add that I'm like that too about things not working for me when they work for so many others. When I tried adding a tablespoon of ground flax to the yogurt I eat every morning my I got acne all over my face and a big increase in breast tenderness and menstrual cramps. That was the only thing I was trying at the time too.
Same thing when I tried just progesterone cream I bought off the shelf at Walmart. In just two days of use I got yucky side effects.
Please email me in the future if you find anything that helps you at all. It sounds as if we have similar body chemistry.
DollieDee- I re-read all the posts in this thread and I just wanted to say that's just horrible what happened to you. Reminds me of when I took Ambien. Horrible, just horrible side effects.
I wish there as some chart on here that we could follow. Something like: if you are experiencing" x" it usually means "y". To help this "x" symptom, here are some things to try from the most gentle to the most potent. I know nothing works for everyone, but surely some things are close to tried and true for a certain majority.
Everything I read just confuses me more. I wind up too chicken to try anything.
I wish there as some chart on here that we could follow. Something like: if you are experiencing" x" it usually means "y". To help this "x" symptom, here are some things to try from the most gentle to the most potent. I know nothing works for everyone, but surely some things are close to tried and true for a certain majority.
Everything I read just confuses me more. I wind up too chicken to try anything.
K2sad,
Im the same way, I HATE trying anything new in fear of what side effects I may get. I had such a terrible reaction to eurythamiacin (sp?) years ago and ended up in the ER, it made me afraid of trying anything new.
And its funny how everyone is so different, I have no problem whatsoever with ambien. Today Im supposed to take my 1st
dose of Prozac to see if it will help with the flashes and of course Im a little weirded out by it. Im gonna run a few errands this morning first and then when I get back just take it.
I think......
Im the same way, I HATE trying anything new in fear of what side effects I may get. I had such a terrible reaction to eurythamiacin (sp?) years ago and ended up in the ER, it made me afraid of trying anything new.
And its funny how everyone is so different, I have no problem whatsoever with ambien. Today Im supposed to take my 1st
dose of Prozac to see if it will help with the flashes and of course Im a little weirded out by it. Im gonna run a few errands this morning first and then when I get back just take it.
I think......
QUOTE (manyboys @ Jul 22 2009, 09:36 PM)
Hey Becca,
Thought I'd check in to see how your shopping trip went.....I'm glad to see that you were able to find the Estrosense. You've pretty much nailed it with the ingredients and that they work synergistically. It is definitely an excellent supplement.
Did Whole Foods have any of her other products?
I hear that Menosense works great too, although I've never used it.
I started with Estrosense in peri when I was very estrogen dominant and that worried me.
Now I take it because I supplement with estrogen and feel it's good protection.
Thought I'd check in to see how your shopping trip went.....I'm glad to see that you were able to find the Estrosense. You've pretty much nailed it with the ingredients and that they work synergistically. It is definitely an excellent supplement.
Did Whole Foods have any of her other products?
I hear that Menosense works great too, although I've never used it.
I started with Estrosense in peri when I was very estrogen dominant and that worried me.
Now I take it because I supplement with estrogen and feel it's good protection.
So I'm completely confused at this stage, knowing a couple of months ago that all my levels were showing loudly that I was extremely low in estrogen, so I balanced (for a while) by upping the soy big time, as well as all my supplements. Now could I be estrogen dominant now that all my flashes are back and insomnia worse than ever? I thought the hot flashes and everything else were due to low levels of estrogen... can EstroSense help me?
QUOTE (DollieDee @ Jul 23 2009, 08:58 AM)
Dearest Shar,
I havent heard from you on aol, so I am really praying that you are OK.
I just wanted to say that I had my WORST episode of PANIC/ANXIETY after taking mega doses of a very potent brand of Flaxseed oil combined with black cohosh pills (remifemin to be exact) combined with Revival Soy. I didnt know what I was doing, or why I would have ever combined 3 powerful phytoestrogens like that, but I was so desperate and I thought it would help me. Prior to doing that I had missed a period, then had very light ones, had lost my sex drive completely, vaginal dryness, depression, brain fog, fatigure, joint pain, blurry vision, dizzyness, tremors, and terrible anxiety before my period. I thought all those were symptoms of Estrogen deficieny and that by taking all that stuff I was doing a GOOD thing. Well, I was about a week into it when I felt like I went into the worst DR I ever had along with a total psychotic breakdown (with near hallucinations and became completely debilitated). That was at the end of April and I am still not myself at all, as you know. I have heard of DIM also and was very interested in trying it, but the thing that stopped me was reading on the web about some of the side effects, like the ones you mentioned that might happen when taking it. At this point, I have messed up my already messed up body chemistry that I really don't know what to do anymore. I can tell you though, my DR/DP was never as bad as it got to until I took that combination of phytoestrogens at the same time. I feel like I actually induced brain damage in myself. So what I want to know is when we feel this peri-related anxiety. Is it from our E levels dropping or rising???? I am so confused and not sure what to do/try anymore.
Hugs,
Dee
I havent heard from you on aol, so I am really praying that you are OK.
I just wanted to say that I had my WORST episode of PANIC/ANXIETY after taking mega doses of a very potent brand of Flaxseed oil combined with black cohosh pills (remifemin to be exact) combined with Revival Soy. I didnt know what I was doing, or why I would have ever combined 3 powerful phytoestrogens like that, but I was so desperate and I thought it would help me. Prior to doing that I had missed a period, then had very light ones, had lost my sex drive completely, vaginal dryness, depression, brain fog, fatigure, joint pain, blurry vision, dizzyness, tremors, and terrible anxiety before my period. I thought all those were symptoms of Estrogen deficieny and that by taking all that stuff I was doing a GOOD thing. Well, I was about a week into it when I felt like I went into the worst DR I ever had along with a total psychotic breakdown (with near hallucinations and became completely debilitated). That was at the end of April and I am still not myself at all, as you know. I have heard of DIM also and was very interested in trying it, but the thing that stopped me was reading on the web about some of the side effects, like the ones you mentioned that might happen when taking it. At this point, I have messed up my already messed up body chemistry that I really don't know what to do anymore. I can tell you though, my DR/DP was never as bad as it got to until I took that combination of phytoestrogens at the same time. I feel like I actually induced brain damage in myself. So what I want to know is when we feel this peri-related anxiety. Is it from our E levels dropping or rising???? I am so confused and not sure what to do/try anymore.
Hugs,
Dee
Oh Dee, you communicated exactly what I've been wondering for months! I get tested and my estrogen levels are uber low, so instead of taking the BHRT as prescribed, I opt for upping my soy intake, use phytoestrogen creams, massive supplements etc., and I thought it was working, but now its all come back in a rage and I don't know if I'm estrogen low or too high... I don't know how much I can or can't increase certain supplements (like they say to stop taking black cohos after 6 months and I've been on it for a year) - there has to be better information on all this - too confusing to know what to do or how to feel better!
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