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didgens
I am interested in Xanex's possible effects on the joint/muscle pain ,, if anyone has tried it for the bodya aches please let me know if you have been successful with it ? thanks
kimdnov
[quote name='didgens' date='May 20 2009, 08:17 AM' post='285498']
I am interested in Xanex's possible effects on the joint/muscle pain ,, if anyone has tried it for the bodya aches please let me know if you have been successful with it ? thanks


Hello,
I have not heard anyone talk about xanax being a pain reliever. Mostly it is just a mind reliever!!!! But if it takes your mind off your pain so be it!!! I have to take xanax for my anxiety and jump out of skin feeling.

Hugs, Kim
nc53215
if any dr gave you that for pain he is telling you its all in your head, dam doctors, curse them all !!!
Iradan
QUOTE (didgens @ May 20 2009, 10:17 AM) *
I am interested in Xanex's possible effects on the joint/muscle pain ,, if anyone has tried it for the bodya aches please let me know if you have been successful with it ? thanks

Yes, xanax works as muscle relaxant, as menopausal muscle ache caused mostly by muscle tension, especially in back, neck, shoulder, chest, xanax helps.
I believe xanax helps for pretty much everything except hot flashes and vaginal dryness, as most symptoms caused by anxiety/adrenalin excess, and xanax works pretty good for these.
I won't say it works for joint pain, as this is of different origin, perhaps, not for fibromyalgia pain, but for tense and aching muscles, certainly does.
Since I take xanax, my digestive issues are all history, as most were caused by crampy smooth muscles, so, yes, it helps, at least, it helps me.
QUOTE
Xanax is in the group of drugs known as benzodiazepines, a class of antidepressants, anti-panic agents, and muscle relaxants.

I was Rx another medication for muscle pain prior to xanax and it put me in deep sleep coma like condition for almost 48 hours, i could not keep my eyes open.
Xanax works on GABA receptors, relaxing body and mind, and in my case, most pain caused by muscle spasm, so xanax works quite weill.
I have also noticed the pain is cyclical or when I am under stress, so there is a strong mind-body connection, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_relaxant
HTH,
I.
didgens
QUOTE (Iradan @ May 20 2009, 01:21 PM) *
Yes, xanax works as muscle relaxant, as menopausal muscle ache caused mostly by muscle tension, especially in back, neck, shoulder, chest, xanax helps.
I believe xanax helps for pretty much everything except hot flashes and vaginal dryness, as most symptoms caused by anxiety/adrenalin excess, and xanax works pretty good for these.
I won't say it works for joint pain, as this is of different origin, perhaps, not for fibromyalgia pain, but for tense and aching muscles, certainly does.
Since I take xanax, my digestive issues are all history, as most were caused by crampy smooth muscles, so, yes, it helps, at least, it helps me.

I was Rx another medication for muscle pain prior to xanax and it put me in deep sleep coma like condition for almost 48 hours, i could not keep my eyes open.
Xanax works on GABA receptors, relaxing body and mind, and in my case, most pain caused by muscle spasm, so xanax works quite weill.
I have also noticed the pain is cyclical or when I am under stress, so there is a strong mind-body connection, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_relaxant
HTH,
I.



You guys just hit the nail on the head for me .. I have been doing TONS of research on GABA and believed that xanex would improve many conditions caused by Progesterones disruption of this neurotransmitter. Since I have the proof now thanks to you ladies I am going to proceed to my doc and ask her for the prescription for this .. thanks !!
didgens
I just wanted to add this I just found also,, mine to is cyclical ,, apparently when my progestrone is low. I think xanex will solve all of my worst problems at present .. thanks all !

Progesterone deficiency also causes increased electrical current (anxiety and pain) throughout the body:
GABA is our major inhibitory or relaxing chemical. GABA "turns down" electrical voltage and therefore deficiency causes anxiety and increased physical pain.
GABA deficiency is often seen in patients with severe chronic stress and nutritional deficiencies. The most common cause of GABA deficiency seen in patients is the female who suffers from underactive ovarian production of progesterone. Progesterone - through three chemical reactions- becomes a hormone with strong GABA activity.
enough
This is good to know. I know that on days when my stomach is tied up in knots, if I take a xanax it calms it down. It does help the neck muscles too. I guess it relaxes everything along with the mind. I never really made much of a connection though. As far as joint pain, I never thought of this at all and will test it out on a really bad day.

Good luck to you all.
didgens
someone else on another post mentioned green tea which has L-Theanine (also acts on the GABA in the brain) she mentioned that it helps her. So I will try this as well !! Feels good knowing whats going on instead of just being on the rollar coaster without a way off !!
kath S
What an interesting post,learned alot thankyou everyone.

As someone said its great to understand WHY. it takes some of the anxiety out of this crazy time
Thanks again

Have a lovely day
oarsinsailsup
Would GABA supplements help with this? I try and take the xanax for the really bad times with anxiety or panic attacks....lately my body hurts all the time. My joints on my fingers, elbows.....chest is the worst.....shoulder, neck.....I feel like an old lady. I started going to the gym and taking classes....yoga, weights etc....at first I felt great! Now I'm hurting so bad I'm afraid to go back not knowing if it was the classes or if this is just a flare up thing....it's so frustrating when you know exercise is so good for the other peri symptoms but with this one it's a double edged sword!
didgens
have you tried the xanex for the pain ? curious .. I dont know about a GABA suppliment, because I dont know if the GABA sold on the markets will cross the blood-brain barrier ,, but I have my suspicions that L-theanine will. This is a substance found in Green Tea, but I believe can be purchased by itself in health food markets .. I also noticed that it is found in all places "Vitamin Water" ,, the one with the b-complex and theanine,, Im going to try that for body aches when next they hit !! let me know if you try the GABA suppliment and you get relief, and we can compare notes !! I research every day, and learn more all the time ,, we have the time to research our issues that doctors dont !! hang in there !!

QUOTE (didgens @ May 21 2009, 01:51 PM) *
have you tried the xanex for the pain ? curious .. I dont know about a GABA suppliment, because I dont know if the GABA sold on the markets will cross the blood-brain barrier ,, but I have my suspicions that L-theanine will. This is a substance found in Green Tea, but I believe can be purchased by itself in health food markets .. I also noticed that it is found in all places "Vitamin Water" ,, the one with the b-complex and theanine,, Im going to try that for body aches when next they hit !! let me know if you try the GABA suppliment and you get relief, and we can compare notes !! I research every day, and learn more all the time ,, we have the time to research our issues that doctors dont !! hang in there !!


check out this article ,, very eye opeaning

http://www.web-us.com/l-theanine_anxiety_reducer.htm
Iradan
QUOTE (didgens @ May 20 2009, 03:26 PM) *
You guys just hit the nail on the head for me .. I have been doing TONS of research on GABA and believed that xanex would improve many conditions caused by Progesterones disruption of this neurotransmitter. Since I have the proof now thanks to you ladies I am going to proceed to my doc and ask her for the prescription for this .. thanks !!

You are right, xanax works as progesterone, without nasty side effects, at the low dose. On the days when my progesteron is high, I barely use xanax.
Any BZD work the same way, xanax has short 1/2 life, other BZD linger longer in your body, so they may have some depressive effect, I prefer xanax, although most physicians would insist on switching to ADs. Xanax can ba taken on as needed basis, while ADs must be taken daily to maintain.
I been taking xanax for almost 4 years now, on and off, and it helped with many issues, physical and emotional.
Iradan
QUOTE (oarsinsailsup @ May 21 2009, 11:57 AM) *
Would GABA supplements help with this? I try and take the xanax for the really bad times with anxiety or panic attacks....lately my body hurts all the time. My joints on my fingers, elbows.....chest is the worst.....shoulder, neck.....I feel like an old lady. I started going to the gym and taking classes....yoga, weights etc....at first I felt great! Now I'm hurting so bad I'm afraid to go back not knowing if it was the classes or if this is just a flare up thing....it's so frustrating when you know exercise is so good for the other peri symptoms but with this one it's a double edged sword!

I would rather go with xanax, GABA must be processed by liver first, and it hard to know if it can cross brain blood barrier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA
I know bodyu builders take GABA as it sought to increase human growth hormones and help with muscle gain.

I went though period when I hurted soo badly, I did not exercise at all for 1.5 years, except walking. I then eased into exericise by starting swimming, and I used steam room after swim. This helped me tremendously, so now I can do some weights and cardio, however, not on the scale I did before.
I think progesterone and estrogen really work like brain analgetic, as they block pain centers, progesterone is mind and muscle relaxant, estrogen is mood lifter, and testosterone helps to keep muscles and joints strong and pain free.
Since all three drop at menopause, we get aches and pains, and anxiety/depression.

Take it easy in the gym, your muscles no longer recover as fast as they used to, do gentle exercises and take break in between.
Take care of your body now, we are no longer spring chickens, even in our mind we are still in our early 30s, LOL.
corky21
QUOTE (Iradan @ May 21 2009, 02:29 PM) *
I would rather go with xanax, GABA must be processed by liver first, and it hard to know if it can cross brain blood barrier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA
I know bodyu builders take GABA as it sought to increase human growth hormones and help with muscle gain.

I went though period when I hurted soo badly, I did not exercise at all for 1.5 years, except walking. I then eased into exericise by starting swimming, and I used steam room after swim. This helped me tremendously, so now I can do some weights and cardio, however, not on the scale I did before.
I think progesterone and estrogen really work like brain analgetic, as they block pain centers, progesterone is mind and muscle relaxant, estrogen is mood lifter, and testosterone helps to keep muscles and joints strong and pain free.
Since all three drop at menopause, we get aches and pains, and anxiety/depression.

Take it easy in the gym, your muscles no longer recover as fast as they used to, do gentle exercises and take break in between.
Take care of your body now, we are no longer spring chickens, even in our mind we are still in our early 30s, LOL.


I have been taking estrogen daily and 200mg of prometrium 14 days (which is about the same as a low dose taken daily) and also 2.5mg of Testosterone for almost a year. I still have daily muscle pain from triggers in my glute area and muscle spasms that come out of the blue. Today I have another spasm. I was reading with interest on the Xanax. I never wanted to take any pharmaceutical drugs and in the past when I felt a bit panicky, I would take a product called Serafem (passion flower, l-theanine, and niacin). I thought once one took the bios, then anxiety, and pain would go away. I haven't used the herbals in awhile. I also used the l-theanine on its own but I still had pain. I think much of my pain is in my head now b/c I have suffered so long that I think about it daily. Would Xanax be the way to go now instead of the herbals? I also started Armour thyroid b/c I have complex cysts, nodules, and some antibodies. I started to read up a lot on that gland and anxiety and depression and almost all menopausal problems are linked to low thyroid function. I'm still on a low dose of Armour and feel I could move up but my holistic MD is very conservative. I still get anxious about certain things and mostly thinking about pain.

The Prometrium didn't help with any muscle tension at all for me. The testosterone didn't help me either. I could hardly exercise most times with this daily muscle pain. I'm now onto my third massage therapist and this one seems to know a bit about the triggers/knots in the muscle tissue that I have. I believe these triggers formed from a few muscle spasms over the years and some problems I have had dealing with low tolerance for stressful situations. I think the low tolerance and emotional problems may all be from that thyroid and low sex hormones. I never had these problems when I was 20's 30's and even the early part of my 40's. I started having these around 44 and then even worse at 45 after the loss of an ovary; and it got steadily worse. The last 2 years have been the worst for pain.

I believe much of it is now in my brain. I can't not think about some type of spasm coming on when I walk around every day with some pain somewhere in my low back/hips. Then when my son or husband starts to annoy me, I know the pain will intensify and it does.

So, even though I'm taking low doses of Armour and the bios would it help to take the Xanax? I was trying to find a hypnotherapist b/c I know my brain is hard wired now towards pain and I can't stop it. Maybe the Xanax would help for awhile? Or maybe I just need to get to a better dosage of Armour.
Iradan
QUOTE (corky21 @ May 24 2009, 10:37 AM) *
I have been taking estrogen daily and 200mg of prometrium 14 days (which is about the same as a low dose taken daily) and also 2.5mg of Testosterone for almost a year. I still have daily muscle pain from triggers in my glute area and muscle spasms that come out of the blue. Today I have another spasm. I was reading with interest on the Xanax. I never wanted to take any pharmaceutical drugs and in the past when I felt a bit panicky, I would take a product called Serafem (passion flower, l-theanine, and niacin). I thought once one took the bios, then anxiety, and pain would go away. I haven't used the herbals in awhile. I also used the l-theanine on its own but I still had pain. I think much of my pain is in my head now b/c I have suffered so long that I think about it daily. Would Xanax be the way to go now instead of the herbals? I also started Armour thyroid b/c I have complex cysts, nodules, and some antibodies. I started to read up a lot on that gland and anxiety and depression and almost all menopausal problems are linked to low thyroid function. I'm still on a low dose of Armour and feel I could move up but my holistic MD is very conservative. I still get anxious about certain things and mostly thinking about pain.

The Prometrium didn't help with any muscle tension at all for me. The testosterone didn't help me either. I could hardly exercise most times with this daily muscle pain. I'm now onto my third massage therapist and this one seems to know a bit about the triggers/knots in the muscle tissue that I have. I believe these triggers formed from a few muscle spasms over the years and some problems I have had dealing with low tolerance for stressful situations. I think the low tolerance and emotional problems may all be from that thyroid and low sex hormones. I never had these problems when I was 20's 30's and even the early part of my 40's. I started having these around 44 and then even worse at 45 after the loss of an ovary; and it got steadily worse. The last 2 years have been the worst for pain.

I believe much of it is now in my brain. I can't not think about some type of spasm coming on when I walk around every day with some pain somewhere in my low back/hips. Then when my son or husband starts to annoy me, I know the pain will intensify and it does.

So, even though I'm taking low doses of Armour and the bios would it help to take the Xanax? I was trying to find a hypnotherapist b/c I know my brain is hard wired now towards pain and I can't stop it. Maybe the Xanax would help for awhile? Or maybe I just need to get to a better dosage of Armour.

Corky,
I think body aches and pains not only from unbalanced hormones but also from tear and wear. Having said this, I am certain that stress induced muscle pain is not in your head, although it is caused by the stress/anxiety.
I had excruciating upper back, shoulder, neck pain after my mother died, nothing helped but xanax.
I am not a great believer in Armour, as it is tricky and if the dose is not right, you may have more symptoms.
But unless you are suffer from panic and anxiety, ask your doctor before you start xanax, as it can be habit forming.
All medication, pharmaceutical or "natural" have some side effects, to the extend.
I have tired BHRT and did not get much relief in terms of anxiety/muscle tension, moodiness. Xanax helps me much better, and I worry less about things that I was paranoid about.
I also have small nodules on my thyroid, but my FT3 and FT4, and TSH are fine, no antibodies, and I know that before one starts on armour, you need to make sure adrenals are working fine. I believe unresolved adrenal problems is the root cause of thyroid issues.
I sort of gave up on trying to balance my hormones, every time I try it, I cause more issues, so I just take xanax when needed, it greatly reduced my obsessive thoughts, unwarranted worries, and pain has lessen now.
I too get muscle cramps out of blue, but I guess, I am getting used to it by now, I am not getting younger and it is also cyclical for me.
You can give xanax a try for 2 weeks, at a very low dose, 0.25 mg and see if this helps, if not, just discontinue and it won't cause addiction in such a short term.
HTH.
I. smile.gif
kackle
QUOTE (Iradan @ May 21 2009, 02:17 PM) *
You are right, xanax works as progesterone, without nasty side effects, at the low dose. On the days when my progesteron is high, I barely use xanax.
Any BZD work the same way, xanax has short 1/2 life, other BZD linger longer in your body, so they may have some depressive effect, I prefer xanax, although most physicians would insist on switching to ADs. Xanax can ba taken on as needed basis, while ADs must be taken daily to maintain.
I been taking xanax for almost 4 years now, on and off, and it helped with many issues, physical and emotional.

Same here.
corky21
QUOTE (Iradan @ May 24 2009, 05:52 PM) *
Corky,
I think body aches and pains not only from unbalanced hormones but also from tear and wear. Having said this, I am certain that stress induced muscle pain is not in your head, although it is caused by the stress/anxiety.
I had excruciating upper back, shoulder, neck pain after my mother died, nothing helped but xanax.
I am not a great believer in Armour, as it is tricky and if the dose is not right, you may have more symptoms.
But unless you are suffer from panic and anxiety, ask your doctor before you start xanax, as it can be habit forming.
All medication, pharmaceutical or "natural" have some side effects, to the extend.
I have tired BHRT and did not get much relief in terms of anxiety/muscle tension, moodiness. Xanax helps me much better, and I worry less about things that I was paranoid about.
I also have small nodules on my thyroid, but my FT3 and FT4, and TSH are fine, no antibodies, and I know that before one starts on armour, you need to make sure adrenals are working fine. I believe unresolved adrenal problems is the root cause of thyroid issues.
I sort of gave up on trying to balance my hormones, every time I try it, I cause more issues, so I just take xanax when needed, it greatly reduced my obsessive thoughts, unwarranted worries, and pain has lessen now.
I too get muscle cramps out of blue, but I guess, I am getting used to it by now, I am not getting younger and it is also cyclical for me.
You can give xanax a try for 2 weeks, at a very low dose, 0.25 mg and see if this helps, if not, just discontinue and it won't cause addiction in such a short term.
HTH.
I. smile.gif


TY Iradan,

I am also taking hydrocortisone for adrenals (very low dose) and extra vitamin C. I think that since most of my symptoms: very dry skin, nails, loss of hair, muscle pain/tightness, low body temperatures (basal 97.4 every day), cold hands/feet, chills, and cold/heat sensitivity, anxiety, sex hormone unbalances, weight problems, depression, low energy, worry, stiffness are the main low thyroid symptoms. And since there is something eating away at the gland and I have some antibodies now, but a very low number, I feel the need to use the Armour. I have noticed a little improvement, but I think I need to go higher in the dose.

But I am thinking of giving the Xanax a try. I never wanted to take any big pharm drugs, but at this point, I need to give something else a try.

This morning I got up okay and made my breakfast. I sat down and ate it, then I got up walked and I am now having pains near the disc bulge. This pain I haven't felt in a long time. Mostly I feel pain in buttocks/hips and I get a spasms every now and then where I need to rest on ice. Now this pain is weird. I can't take this anymore. So I think I have to get some doctor to prescribe that. I may have to ask the endo when I go back, but he'll probably say not to that too.

Today I'm off to the massage therapist and of course I'm worried now that he may make it worse. So anxiety is here.
didgens
I am experimenting with L-Theanine .. a "xanex" like substance that can be gotten from green tea, you can purchase it at health food stores or GNC. I tried some on saturday for the pain but my period had come so some of the pain actually was physical so not all of it went away. I should have tried it 4 days before my period when I believe the pain was low projesterone/gaba induced. Anyway if you want to try a non-prescription mething give the L-theanine a try. I went back and did a search on this web site for Theanine and found posts going back to 2004 about women who had great success with it. please let me know .. also this is something you could go pick up today and try. good luck !
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