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EveningPrimrose
Less stamina than others
Less energy than others
Long recovery period after any activity
Inability to hold children for very long
Arms feeling like dead weights after activity
Chronic Low Grade Depression
Suicidal Thoughts
Often feeling cold
Cold hands and feet
High or rising cholesterol
Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise
Hard stools
Constipation
No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows
Dry Hair
Hair Loss
White hairs growing in
No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows
Dry cracking skin
Nodding off easily
Requires naps in the afternoon
Sleep Apnea (which can also be associated with low cortisol)
Air Hunger (feeling like you can’t get enough air)
Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time
Forgetfulness
Foggy thinking
Inability to lose weight
Always gaining weight
Inability to function in a relationship with anyone
NO sex drive
Moody periods
PMS
Inability to get pregnant; miscarriages
Excruciating pain during period
Nausea
Swelling/edema/puffiness
Aching bones/muscles
Osteoporosis
Bumps on legs
Acne on face and in hair
Breakout on chest and arms
Hives
Exhaustion in every dimension–physical, mental, spiritual, emotional
Inability to work full-time
Inability to stand on feet for long periods
Complete lack of motivation
Slowing to a snail’s pace when walking up slight grade
Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others
Handwriting nearly illegible
Internal itching of ears
Broken/peeling fingernails
Dry skin or snake skin
Major anxiety/worry
Ringing in ears
Lactose Intolerance
Inability to eat in the mornings
Joint pain
Carpal tunnel symptoms
No Appetite
Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure
Swollen legs that prevented walking
Blood Pressure problems
Varicose Veins
Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear
Low body temperature
Raised temperature
Tightness in throat; sore throat
Swollen lymph glands
Allergies (which can also be a result of low cortisol–common with hypothyroid patients)
Headaches and Migraines
Sore feet (plantar fascitis); painful soles of feet
now how do I put this one politely….a cold bum, butt, derriere, fanny, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, and/or cheeks. Yup, really exists.

As you read the above list and see some of the symptoms as your own, you have to now make a paradigm shift in the way society and doctors have taught you to ascertain whether you have hypothyroid or not, or whether you are adequately treated or not. Namely, you have to make SYMPTOMS your primary clue, NOT labwork like the TSH. Labwork should only serve as additional information, NOT as the initial force of reality. If you continue to look at labwork as THE answer, you are no better than hundreds of thousands of doctors around the world who have kept thyroid patients SICK! That is especially true for the TSH, besides the total T4.

Next, you find a doctor who’s ahead of the game, because he understands that SYMPTOMS are the horse that pulls the cart, not labs, and that desiccated thyroid is the treatment of choice, not Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, etc. You may have to drive farther to a good doc than any doctor you’ve ever had. But it’s worth it.

Additionally…no matter how excellent of a doctor you find, you need to become educated about what patients ahead of you have learned, and what mistakes you do not want to make. NO DOCTOR IS PERFECT, so YOU are your own best advocate.

caz-art
Hi EP

That list is interesting....I do have or have had quite a few of them...I do believe I may be hypo, that is one test I haven't got to yet...next on my list
(see my list for anxiety/depression....causes etc., thread)...

I too believe in the herbal type route of treatment, so if I do test hypo then the dessicated thyroid stuff is the way to go.

Caz
SKEEWEEAKA
QUOTE (EveningPrimrose @ Mar 7 2009, 05:58 PM) *
Less stamina than others
Less energy than others
Long recovery period after any activity
Inability to hold children for very long
Arms feeling like dead weights after activity
Chronic Low Grade Depression
Suicidal Thoughts
Often feeling cold
Cold hands and feet
High or rising cholesterol
Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise
Hard stools
Constipation
No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows
Dry Hair
Hair Loss
White hairs growing in
No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows
Dry cracking skin
Nodding off easily
Requires naps in the afternoon
Sleep Apnea (which can also be associated with low cortisol)
Air Hunger (feeling like you can't get enough air)
Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time
Forgetfulness
Foggy thinking
Inability to lose weight
Always gaining weight
Inability to function in a relationship with anyone
NO sex drive
Moody periods
PMS
Inability to get pregnant; miscarriages
Excruciating pain during period
Nausea
Swelling/edema/puffiness
Aching bones/muscles
Osteoporosis
Bumps on legs
Acne on face and in hair
Breakout on chest and arms
Hives
Exhaustion in every dimension–physical, mental, spiritual, emotional
Inability to work full-time
Inability to stand on feet for long periods
Complete lack of motivation
Slowing to a snail's pace when walking up slight grade
Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others
Handwriting nearly illegible
Internal itching of ears
Broken/peeling fingernails
Dry skin or snake skin
Major anxiety/worry
Ringing in ears
Lactose Intolerance
Inability to eat in the mornings
Joint pain
Carpal tunnel symptoms
No Appetite
Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure
Swollen legs that prevented walking
Blood Pressure problems
Varicose Veins
Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear
Low body temperature
Raised temperature
Tightness in throat; sore throat
Swollen lymph glands
Allergies (which can also be a result of low cortisol–common with hypothyroid patients)
Headaches and Migraines
Sore feet (plantar fascitis); painful soles of feet
now how do I put this one politely….a cold bum, butt, derriere, fanny, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, and/or cheeks. Yup, really exists.

As you read the above list and see some of the symptoms as your own, you have to now make a paradigm shift in the way society and doctors have taught you to ascertain whether you have hypothyroid or not, or whether you are adequately treated or not. Namely, you have to make SYMPTOMS your primary clue, NOT labwork like the TSH. Labwork should only serve as additional information, NOT as the initial force of reality. If you continue to look at labwork as THE answer, you are no better than hundreds of thousands of doctors around the world who have kept thyroid patients SICK! That is especially true for the TSH, besides the total T4.

Next, you find a doctor who's ahead of the game, because he understands that SYMPTOMS are the horse that pulls the cart, not labs, and that desiccated thyroid is the treatment of choice, not Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, etc. You may have to drive farther to a good doc than any doctor you've ever had. But it's worth it.

Additionally…no matter how excellent of a doctor you find, you need to become educated about what patients ahead of you have learned, and what mistakes you do not want to make. NO DOCTOR IS PERFECT, so YOU are your own best advocate.



You've said it all!

YOU are your BEST ADVOCATE! biggrin.gif

TJ wub.gif
SKEEWEEAKA
QUOTE (EveningPrimrose @ Mar 7 2009, 05:58 PM) *
Less stamina than others
Less energy than others
Long recovery period after any activity
Inability to hold children for very long
Arms feeling like dead weights after activity
Chronic Low Grade Depression
Suicidal Thoughts
Often feeling cold
Cold hands and feet
High or rising cholesterol
Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise
Hard stools
Constipation
No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows
Dry Hair
Hair Loss
White hairs growing in
No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows
Dry cracking skin
Nodding off easily
Requires naps in the afternoon
Sleep Apnea (which can also be associated with low cortisol)
Air Hunger (feeling like you can't get enough air)
Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time
Forgetfulness
Foggy thinking
Inability to lose weight
Always gaining weight
Inability to function in a relationship with anyone
NO sex drive
Moody periods
PMS
Inability to get pregnant; miscarriages
Excruciating pain during period
Nausea
Swelling/edema/puffiness
Aching bones/muscles
Osteoporosis
Bumps on legs
Acne on face and in hair
Breakout on chest and arms
Hives
Exhaustion in every dimension–physical, mental, spiritual, emotional
Inability to work full-time
Inability to stand on feet for long periods
Complete lack of motivation
Slowing to a snail's pace when walking up slight grade
Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others
Handwriting nearly illegible
Internal itching of ears
Broken/peeling fingernails
Dry skin or snake skin
Major anxiety/worry
Ringing in ears
Lactose Intolerance
Inability to eat in the mornings
Joint pain
Carpal tunnel symptoms
No Appetite
Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure
Swollen legs that prevented walking
Blood Pressure problems
Varicose Veins
Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear
Low body temperature
Raised temperature
Tightness in throat; sore throat
Swollen lymph glands
Allergies (which can also be a result of low cortisol–common with hypothyroid patients)
Headaches and Migraines
Sore feet (plantar fascitis); painful soles of feet
now how do I put this one politely….a cold bum, butt, derriere, fanny, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, and/or cheeks. Yup, really exists.

As you read the above list and see some of the symptoms as your own, you have to now make a paradigm shift in the way society and doctors have taught you to ascertain whether you have hypothyroid or not, or whether you are adequately treated or not. Namely, you have to make SYMPTOMS your primary clue, NOT labwork like the TSH. Labwork should only serve as additional information, NOT as the initial force of reality. If you continue to look at labwork as THE answer, you are no better than hundreds of thousands of doctors around the world who have kept thyroid patients SICK! That is especially true for the TSH, besides the total T4.

Next, you find a doctor who's ahead of the game, because he understands that SYMPTOMS are the horse that pulls the cart, not labs, and that desiccated thyroid is the treatment of choice, not Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, etc. You may have to drive farther to a good doc than any doctor you've ever had. But it's worth it.

Additionally…no matter how excellent of a doctor you find, you need to become educated about what patients ahead of you have learned, and what mistakes you do not want to make. NO DOCTOR IS PERFECT, so YOU are your own best advocate.



You've said it all!

YOU are your BEST ADVOCATE! biggrin.gif

TJ wub.gif
SKEEWEEAKA
QUOTE (EveningPrimrose @ Mar 7 2009, 05:58 PM) *
Less stamina than others
Less energy than others
Long recovery period after any activity
Inability to hold children for very long
Arms feeling like dead weights after activity
Chronic Low Grade Depression
Suicidal Thoughts
Often feeling cold
Cold hands and feet
High or rising cholesterol
Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise
Hard stools
Constipation
No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows
Dry Hair
Hair Loss
White hairs growing in
No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows
Dry cracking skin
Nodding off easily
Requires naps in the afternoon
Sleep Apnea (which can also be associated with low cortisol)
Air Hunger (feeling like you can't get enough air)
Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time
Forgetfulness
Foggy thinking
Inability to lose weight
Always gaining weight
Inability to function in a relationship with anyone
NO sex drive
Moody periods
PMS
Inability to get pregnant; miscarriages
Excruciating pain during period
Nausea
Swelling/edema/puffiness
Aching bones/muscles
Osteoporosis
Bumps on legs
Acne on face and in hair
Breakout on chest and arms
Hives
Exhaustion in every dimension–physical, mental, spiritual, emotional
Inability to work full-time
Inability to stand on feet for long periods
Complete lack of motivation
Slowing to a snail's pace when walking up slight grade
Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others
Handwriting nearly illegible
Internal itching of ears
Broken/peeling fingernails
Dry skin or snake skin
Major anxiety/worry
Ringing in ears
Lactose Intolerance
Inability to eat in the mornings
Joint pain
Carpal tunnel symptoms
No Appetite
Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure
Swollen legs that prevented walking
Blood Pressure problems
Varicose Veins
Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear
Low body temperature
Raised temperature
Tightness in throat; sore throat
Swollen lymph glands
Allergies (which can also be a result of low cortisol–common with hypothyroid patients)
Headaches and Migraines
Sore feet (plantar fascitis); painful soles of feet
now how do I put this one politely….a cold bum, butt, derriere, fanny, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, and/or cheeks. Yup, really exists.

As you read the above list and see some of the symptoms as your own, you have to now make a paradigm shift in the way society and doctors have taught you to ascertain whether you have hypothyroid or not, or whether you are adequately treated or not. Namely, you have to make SYMPTOMS your primary clue, NOT labwork like the TSH. Labwork should only serve as additional information, NOT as the initial force of reality. If you continue to look at labwork as THE answer, you are no better than hundreds of thousands of doctors around the world who have kept thyroid patients SICK! That is especially true for the TSH, besides the total T4.

Next, you find a doctor who's ahead of the game, because he understands that SYMPTOMS are the horse that pulls the cart, not labs, and that desiccated thyroid is the treatment of choice, not Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, etc. You may have to drive farther to a good doc than any doctor you've ever had. But it's worth it.

Additionally…no matter how excellent of a doctor you find, you need to become educated about what patients ahead of you have learned, and what mistakes you do not want to make. NO DOCTOR IS PERFECT, so YOU are your own best advocate.



You've said it all!

YOU are your BEST ADVOCATE! biggrin.gif

TJ wub.gif
CarolH
You are right. We are our best advocate but I have a problem with a diagnosis that has a shopping list of symptoms. I think we would be hard pressed NOT to have some of these symptoms.

I am also beginning to see a lot of general practitioners going into the 'hormone/anti-aging' business. Anti-aging is a very lucrative business right now and a lot of doctors are jumping into it just for the money. That's not to say that some of them aren't any good, only that we need to be careful who we put our trust in.

Just my thoughts,


Floater
How can we know whether it is hypothyroidism, or menopause?? An awful lot of those symptoms cross over!! I can't decide if I have low T, hypothyroid, intolerance to prometrium or anti depressant! Whatever the case, I am more tired than I should be and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!
CarolH
QUOTE (Floater @ Mar 7 2009, 08:41 PM) *
How can we know whether it is hypothyroidism, or menopause?? An awful lot of those symptoms cross over!! I can't decide if I have low T, hypothyroid, intolerance to prometrium or anti depressant! Whatever the case, I am more tired than I should be and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!


Floater, You need to get some Testosterone... I have been jumping for joy this past week I have felt so good. Once you get the right dose it works wonders. I confess I'm scared to death I might mess this up somehow and you guys may see me posting for help next week but for this week.. I feel great. it has been awesome.
SKEEWEEAKA
QUOTE (CarolH @ Mar 7 2009, 07:47 PM) *
You are right. We are our best advocate but I have a problem with a diagnosis that has a shopping list of symptoms. I think we would be hard pressed NOT to have some of these symptoms.

I am also beginning to see a lot of general practitioners going into the 'hormone/anti-aging' business. Anti-aging is a very lucrative business right now and a lot of doctors are jumping into it just for the money. That's not to say that some of them aren't any good, only that we need to be careful who we put our trust in.

Just my thoughts,


Yep they are jumping on the bandwagon...and they probably just took a class! CASH AND CARRY PELLET THERAPY! ohmy.gif



Best Wishes..

TJ wub.gif
Floater
QUOTE (CarolH @ Mar 7 2009, 06:45 PM) *
Floater, You need to get some Testosterone... I have been jumping for joy this past week I have felt so good. Once you get the right dose it works wonders. I confess I'm scared to death I might mess this up somehow and you guys may see me posting for help next week but for this week.. I feel great. it has been awesome.


So how much Estrogel/Progesterone are you using in relation to your T? My doc has no clue about T, so I have to figure it out myself.
CarolH
QUOTE (Floater @ Mar 8 2009, 01:19 AM) *
So how much Estrogel/Progesterone are you using in relation to your T? My doc has no clue about T, so I have to figure it out myself.


Right now I'm double dosing the Estrogel. One dose on each arm in the am. Then 1 ml of 2% Testosterone and Progesterone... I have had only 1 dose of the 4% Procheive in a month. I'm not having any problems falling to sleep and I sleep well but I wake up about 5 hours later and I'm energized to get going.. of course the first thing I do in the am is to dose up. I then wait at least 2 hours before showering.

It's not all good news... it looks like I have gained another 5 lbs. mad.gif But I'm hoping with the renewed energy I can run it off. biggrin.gif

Good luck.. it really does make a difference. Oh... and I feel twinges of a revved up libido. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
Floater
Carol,

I asked in another thread....but here goes again.

Like you I am using 1.5 mgs of Estrogel, funny in Canada that IS the recommended dose whereas in the US it is half that. I am taking 100mgs of Prometrium daily, but wondering if that is what is causing some of my tiredness. I haven't taken it for a couple of days and don't feel as fatigued. I am considering switching back and forth between vaginal and oral. I am afraid to not take it orally at least some of the time.

I found some T cream for women from Australia called Andro-Feme. It is a 1% testosterone cream made for women, but they recommend 10mgs a day. Doesn't that seem like a LOT??? I haven't ordered it yet, but seriously considering it. I know too much T will make you feel like crap, it is not a case of more is better.

Any thoughts?

Oh and I am glad you are feeling better and having those "twinges"!! laugh.gif tongue.gif wink.gif
caz-art
QUOTE (CarolH @ Mar 8 2009, 08:38 AM) *
Right now I'm double dosing the Estrogel. One dose on each arm in the am. Then 1 ml of 2% Testosterone and Progesterone... I have had only 1 dose of the 4% Procheive in a month. I'm not having any problems falling to sleep and I sleep well but I wake up about 5 hours later and I'm energized to get going.. of course the first thing I do in the am is to dose up. I then wait at least 2 hours before showering.

It's not all good news... it looks like I have gained another 5 lbs. mad.gif But I'm hoping with the renewed energy I can run it off. biggrin.gif

Good luck.. it really does make a difference. Oh... and I feel twinges of a revved up libido. tongue.gif biggrin.gif



Maybe I should get some...I haven't had those 'twinges' in years!!!!

Caz
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