Another nutty development. I started using the Olay Regenerist microsculpting and the night cream on my hands and forearems (sun damage) and the pesky hot flashes that used to start the minute I would lay down have faded off into the sunset. I would stop the cream and see if they returned but I'm not that nuts.

And I sympathize because I would get the night roasts rather than the night sweats and would feel like one of those hot dogs left too long on the cooker that spins them round and round and round.

kim

Hmmm....interesting. I wonder if the manufacturer is aware of that? You may have stumbled onto an added benefit. I don't have a lot of flashes so I can't test it for you. How about it, hot flashing ladies? Anybody up for an experiment?

How interesting..I wonder if it has Estrogenic properties?!

Sounds like estrogen some where....or phytoestrogens...

I checked the label and this is what I found...Water, Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Niacinamide*, Isopropyl Isostearate, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Nylon-12, Dimethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate**, Panthenol***, Sodium Hyaluronate, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-4^, Carnosine^, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract^^, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf^^^, Soluble Collagen, Elastin, Allantoin, Stearyl Alcohol, Polyethylene, Cetyl Alcohol, Sodium Acrylates Copolymer, Behenyl Alcohol, Benzyl Alcohol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Polyacrylamide, Dimethiconol, Peg-100 Stearate, Stearic Acid, Disodium Edta, Cetearyl Glucoside, Cetearyl Alcohol, Citric Acid, C12-13 Pareth-3, Laureth-7, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Sodium Hydroxide, Ammonium Polyacrylate, Phenoxyethanol, Sorbic Acid, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Sodium Benzoate, Mica, Tin Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Fragrance.*Vitamin B3, **Vitamin E, ***Pro-Vitamin B5, ^Amino-Peptide, ^^Green Tea, ^^^Aloe Vera



Then I found this...

Animal experiments have shown that parabens have weak estrogenic activity, acting as xenoestrogens.[16] In an in vivo study, the effect of butylparaben was determined to be approximately 100,000 times weaker than estradiol, although this effect was only observed when employing a dose level which was 25,000 times higher than is actually used to preserve products.[17] As the estrogenic effect is dose-related, it may be calculated that the estrogenic effect at normal use concentrations of butylparaben is 100,000 x 25,000, i.e. 2,500,000,000 times weaker than estradiol. In the same study it was shown that the in vivo estrogenic activity of parabens is reduced by about three orders of magnitude compared to in vitro activity probably through the rapid metabolism of the parabens to the non-estrogenic metabolites. In vivo data are accepted as being more relevant than in vitro data.

The estrogenic activity of parabens increase with the length of the alkyl group. It is believed that propylparaben is estrogenic to a certain degree as well,[18] though this is expected to be less than butylparaben by virtue of its less lipophilic nature.

And we women wonder why we have higher amounts of estrogen in our bodies...it's because of products like these.... Interesting!


TJ

P.S. That list of parabens on the second from the bottom line explains it all!

TJ

So I have basically been estrogenating myself. Well, I don't know. I'm sleeping. I think I'll wean off rather than just stop cold because I really hate to start the sleepless nights again.

Parabens huh. I thought it was bad that I had to give up all the OTC shampoos because the sodium Laurel whatevers made my hair fall out and my skin itch. Just me and Dr Bronner. Now no more lotions and potions.

kim

Why would you stop using it when you like the effects? It can't be a very significant amount of the "estrogenating" properties. Or do you think you're getting too much e from other sources?

I've heard about these parabens before, but NEVER had the nerve to look at the products that I am using... This is why they say our children are having their periods earlier, etc...growing boobs earlier, etc...

I'm not sure about them but thought I'd post what I found... You probably can google them and see what else comes up....

I'm not sure I have the nerve after what I found before...


TJ

Just perfect! I just googled it and the first article I read talked about finding parabens in breast cancer tumors. When will the maddness stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Concern about parabens is a variation on the myth that antiperspirants (which also contain parabens) cause breast cancer. The Mayo Clinic website lists that -- and by extension all of the paraben scares I would imagine -- as one of the "popular myths about the causes of cancer." There are a lot of sites hawking so called "organic" products that try to hype up these myths in order to sell products they claim are safe.

With all due respect Wit...there's plenty of research out there..this is not a myth... If they didn't have estrogenic properties, why then would her symptoms abate with usage of this product. I made the post to provide information, what we do with that information is a personal choice!

Parabens

Parabens are a group of compounds widely used as anti-microbial preservatives in food, pharmaceuticals and cosmetics products, including underarm deodorants. Parabens are absorbed through intact skin and from the gastrointestinal tract and blood. Measurable concentrations of six different parabens have been identified in biopsy samples from breast tumors. The particular parabens were found in relative concentrations that closely parallel their use in the synthesis of cosmetic products. Parabens have also been found in almost all urine samples examined from a demographically diverse sample of U.S. adults.

Parabens have been shown to be weak estrogen mimickers, binding to the cellular estrogen receptor (ER). They also increase the expression of genes that are usually regulated by estradiol and cause human breast tumor cells (MCF-7 cells) to grow and proliferate in vitro.

TJ

TJ,
I totally agree with you about parabens. I've avoided them for a few years due to those concerns.

We also need to be careful about lavender, tea tree oil, and grapefruit seed extract. There have been studies showing that they all have estrogenic effects and they advised moms to not use any products on their children (lotions, etc) that contained lavender and TTO. Kids were developing breasts.

I found a post by a guy who was using TTO shampoo every day and started getting gynomastia (breasts). At first he had no idea why it was happening but after doing research realized it was the TTO shampoo. He posted photos before and after and it was amazing.

My own experience with these has been enlightening. I was using a great TTO deodorant, free of parabens, and could not understand why my breast were feeling sore and swollen. Then I did the research, stopped using it, and never had the problem again UNTIL . . . . .I switched to a natural deodorant with grapefruit seed extract (GSE) which is excellent at killing bacteria, and the same thing happened! At first I did not think the GSE could be the cause since it wasn't one of those mentioned, but then I did find only one tiny piece of info that said it could have estrogenic properties.

So now I'm using the spray Crystal deodorant that is supposed to be safe, but who the heck knows. I don't know what else to do. I've used baking soda and it does work to some extent, but is messy.

Thanks for this... I checked out my deodorants and they the TTO in them so I need to switch... Thats odd about the lavendar....my mother uses this DAILY and swears that it makes her feel better... Now I thoroughly understand. Tea tree oil I use as well....OMG! I try to use natural products but its difficult finding good brands! Now to know that the "natural" products also have these estrogenic properties....geez!


TJ

I am sticking with my Trader Joe's Tea Tree Oil Soap. It is the only thing that keeps me from getting yeastie beasties in hot humid weather!!

I've been using my Olay Regenerist on my wrists and inside my elbows for the last 6 nights. I also use tea tree oil on my feet at night. I am not on HRT nor B/HRT and never have been. I am waking up anxiety free for the first time in many years. I would wake up with such dread most days and have awful thoughts. I am 9 years post!! Yes, I know about parabens but I feel like I am in heaven now and have had enough of the anxiety. It can be debilitating as some of you know!!

CG

This is so interesting. I work in a pharmacy, & I can tell you Olay regenerist products sell better than any other one we have. I use the eye serum, day lotion, & night cream. I haven't notice any difference in hot flashes, though..I just happen to love the product. It has received rave reviews in many magazines. I'm not afraid of many of the products on the market any more. Somethings gonna get me anyway.

Oh I agree Bin; there is absolutely no proof that parabens cause problems. Just because they are present in a tumor does not mean that they CAUSED the tumor, which is why paraben fears have been classed as junk science. It's like if you gained weight after eating chocolate croissants on the subway every day for a month, blamed the weight gain on the subway, and then started a website warning people that subways lead to weight gain. lol

LOL If regenerist is going to help to keep me younger looking, at a reasonable price, I'm buying!

Well just in case I am NOT riding the subway!!!

Hilarious!!!! Again, it is a personal choice! I simply try to keep the parabens and other estrogenic products away from my 12 year old...you are all adults!

TJ

Interesting! I would like t try it. I am so darn cheap. That is why I have not tried it so far. Spending over a few bucks for cream is hard for me.

Could I have avoided an AD????

I've been using regenerist on my wrists for the last week and I haven't had a panic attack LOL!! Probably mind over matter...but hey Ill take anything I can to keep the panic away.

I have been using Olay regenerist night cream (the purple pot) faithfully for about 3 years. I have only just noticed that this is the actual one that had been mentioned in relation to hot flashes.
Sorry ladies but I have not found absolutely any benefit at all in regard to hot flashes. I wish I had! I haven't found much benefit on my skin yet either but I live in hope

I really don't worry about all these chemical scares by the way. I truly believe that if something is gonna happen then it will-whatever you do. I had endometrial cancer 3 years ago. The doctors said I did not have one risk factor for it. I was not overweight, had a good diet, and I had had three children all of which I had breastfed etc etc.

Actually that experience has set me free from all the petty health worrying that goes on -usually caused by the media. Of course I wouldn't use anything really harmful if really proven to be- but everything in life carries a risk. The one harmful thing I did which probably caused my cancer was to use Vagifem for about 6 months. Now many women are using it with absoluely no problem, but if you look at the leaflets, the warnings about cancer are all there. It is up to you which things you choose to worry about. My view would be it is probably more of a risk using HRT than using a deodorant with parabens in. Others may decide to look the other way about the HRT risks and worry about something else.

There are so many things to be afraid of. I have decided not to worry about every little thing. There is no way you would get me to stop using my chemical- full deodorant because frankly those other ones don't work for me and I smell!

Just my view

janet c

Janet! Just wanted to chime in here. If you look at the first post, you will see that it is Olay Regenerist Microsculpting that has made a difference for the poster. There is a difference in the ingredients of "Regenerist microsculpting cream" in the red jar and the "Regenerist night cream" in the purple jar!!! I have been using microsculpting for over a month now. I can truthfully say it has pretty much eliminated my morning anxiety if I rub it into my wrists and inner elbows every evening. I am 9 years post and my one lingering symptom has been anxiety in the morning. I can't take HRT nor BHRT so the microsculpting cream has truly been a miracle for me!! But, as far as taking hot flashes away, I couldn't make that claim as mine went away many years ago.

CG

One more thing to add. The microsculpting cream has made a huge difference in my skin's appearance. The Regenerist night cream did absolutely nothing to improve the appearance of my facial and neck skin. I used it for over a year.

The first poster natesnonni said this -


"Another nutty development. I started using the Olay Regenerist microsculpting and the night cream on my hands and forearems"

Presume she meant Regenerist Night cream???
So-she said she uses both. Maybe it's the red one that is the miracle, then?

janet c

I can only go from my testing of both creams and finding the miracle in the little red jar ...micro-sculpting is the operative word!!

Its taken me a while to find this because here in UK it's just called "3 point cream"
It jolly expensive. Apart from the flash reduction does it do anything for the face?
janet c

Oh yes Careergrl I see you say it has
sorry
janet c

Sorry everyone-I am on a roll here! I have just finished my last pot of Regenerist night so I thought I would try this miracle cream
I just looked at the price in Boots and it is on offer at the moment for £29.35 or $43 71
I have just grabbed one from Ebay for £14.35 or $20.93 including carriage!
I dont know what it costs in US but I believe it is quite expensive so I think I have got myself a little bargain.
I will let you know if it works on the meno symptoms for me (or the wrinkles )
janet c

Janet: I use the microsculpting one too (red jar) and it's a nice product. I pay about 28 dollars for it where I live (midwestern US), but I think in the UK the price goes way up because of the VAT.

Did anyone notice that Olay now has a "professional" line out that is pretty pricey (like 46 dollars per product)? Anyone try it? I saw the "starter kit" on offer for 61.99.

This is a fascinating post.

Just another theory to interpose....


The second ingredient in the cream you mention is NIACINAMIDE, A B VITAMIN, heavy hitter for anxiety and used to help reduce cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. It may be reducing your hot flashes and its cheap CHEAP cheap to buy at any drugstore or pharmacy.


What if the parabens had nothing positive to do with it whatsoever? They are in absolutely everything you put on your skin that is non organic.

What if you just took NIACINIMIDE (no flush niacin) orally or created your own night cream by grinding the niacinamide and adding it yo whatever you use now? (You might try straight olive, avocado or almond oil.) The only thing it needs to do is ABSORB. Would be interesting to contact Olay and ask them how many MG Niacinamide are in EACH suggested useage amount or dose of the cream.

To be the second ingredient, it has to be relatively significant.

shalom

OOPS, sorry, fourth ingredient not second.

Also, please be aware that anything transdermal will get into your system more efficiently than orally because it has to go through the liver pass. Thats why we get megaMG orally and much less transdermally.

I would seriously check out that aluminum ingredient...aluminum builds in the brain and is nearly impossible to detox out...it is linked with alzheimers.

OKAY then!

heres the poop on it for ya....

Nicotinamide
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicotinamide
Nicotinamide, also known as niacinamide and nicotinic acid amide, is the amide of nicotinic acid (vitamin B3). Nicotinamide is a water-soluble vitamin and is part of the vitamin B group. Nicotinic acid, also known as niacin, is converted to niacinamide in vivo, and though the two are identical in their vitamin functions, niacinamide does not have the same pharmacologic and toxic effects of niacin, which occur incidental to niacin's conversion. Thus niacinamide does not reduce cholesterol or cause flushing,[1] although nicotinamide may be toxic to the liver at doses exceeding 3 g/day for adults.[2] In cells, niacin is incorporated into nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP), although the pathways for nicotinamide and nicotinic acid are very similar. NAD+ and NADP+ are coenzymes in a wide variety of enzymatic oxidation-reduction reactions.[3]

Contents [hide]
1 Use in medicine
2 See also
3 References
4 External links



[edit] Use in medicine
Nicotinamide has demonstrated anti-inflammatory actions which may be of benefit in patients with inflammatory skin conditions.[4] These conditions include acne vulgaris, and the compound can suppress antigen induced-lymphocytic transformation and inhibit of 3'-5' cyclic AMP phosphodiesterase. Nicotinamide has demonstrated the ability to block the inflammatory actions of iodides known to precipitate or exacerbate inflammatory acne.

Animal studies show that nicotinamide has anti-anxiety (anxiolytic) properties. It may work in a way similar to benzodiazepines.[5]
Nicomide (take note the naming similarity), is an acne medication, and in its vitamin supplement form, the most predominant ingredient is 750 mg of nicotinamide, based on this area of research.

Nicotinamide lacks the vasodilator, gastrointestinal, hepatic, and hypolipemic actions of nicotinic acid. As such nicotinamide has not been shown to produce the flushing, itching and burning sensations of the skin as is commonly seen when large doses of nicotinic acid are administered orally. However, nicotinamide can produce liver toxicity at doses above 3 grams per day.[6] In overall, it rarely causes side effects, and is considered generally safe as a food additive, component in cosmetics and medication.[7]

Nicotinamide is produced by the aqueous ammonolysis of 3-cyanopyridine (nicotinonitrile) and subsequent crystallisation.

Nicotinamide has been reported to restore cognition in Alzheimer's Disease transgenic mice.[8]

Nicotinamide has been reported to increase the endurance of mice.[9]

Nicotinamide, or Vitamin B3, prevents immunosuppression caused by UVA and UVB radiation, and could be added to sunscreen.[10]

Nicotinamide has been reported to be an effective skin whitener in topical application. [11]

Today I ran out of lotion that I usually get at the health food store, and went in my daughter's bathroom to get hers. I noticed that her father's lotion was on her counter and I couldn't find her lotion so I used it... Instantly, I felt odd, like something was going on with my body...a couple of miniutes later a hot flash... I couldn't figure out what was going on, but I needed to finish lotioning so I went back in the bathroom and picked up the lotion and finished lotioning my body... More odd sensations... As I sat down on the bed, something said look at the ingredients...to my surprise it contained two different parabens...

Now, I'm not so concerned about what my exhusband uses on his body, as I have stated before it is what my dd (12) puts on her body that is important! He moved in with us six months ago, that lotion has been in her bathroom all this time and I discovered today that she has been using it consistently. In the last 3 months her cycles come every 23 days instead of every 28 days, she also now gets headaches during her menstrual cycle. Her moods lately have been very irratic! Is there a connection, are these ingredients insignficant? Given my reaction to the lotion, I think so. The lotion in question is Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry Skin Moisturizer. I'm sure it's much cheaper than the Oil of Olay products....and BHRT.

After contacting my dd's pediatrician, she suggested that I make sure that she doesn't use these anymore, since she did begin puberty very early..age six when she started getting pubic hair at which point I started getting rid of products that contained these types of estrogens!

Just food for thought...or not!

TJ

VERY INTERESTING!!! I've been using Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry for years. Ive used this stuff by the buckets full. I have to wonder if this contributed to going into full menopause at 45.

Wow, TJ, these connections with parabens to overt estrogenic effects are very troubling. While I've always known parabens had this property and were to be avoided, I just never knew how potent they could be, and that they so quickly have endocrine effects. That is amazing that it could affect you so quickly, I'm stunned actually.

Now with you DD's symptoms, it makes me wonder if this is the answer to why so many women are having such awful PMS and menopause symptoms, far worse than the generations before us.

And Tea Tree Oil is in everything, as is lavender, and who knows what other things lurk in our lotions, shampoos, conditioners, soaps, etc. Just think, if you use any of those things that not only have parabens, but TTO or lavender also, then it's a double whammy.

Be careful with you DD's shampoos and conditioners since they often have parabens and phytoestogenic substances.

Check out these posts: http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/forums/threa...909&page=-1

You know, I hate to think about it! It could actually be making menopause worse for you or better since some have suggested they have positive effects from them. My exhusband swears by it but I generally use organic products.

I usually control what comes into the house, but since my exhusband moved back in to help me take care of my dd he has been buying various products and since they are in her bathroom she uses them...heavy sigh! Up until now I didn't really need to have the discussion about which products were bad, etc. but today I sat her down and gave her a list of ingredients that we are just not going to use which obviously means checking the ingredients on everything...which I usually do!

TJ

Sariah, I swear to you that I couldn't figure it out and it took me about 10 minutes to realize what was happening! Normally, I would not have even noticed because I would have been in such a fog. However, I took my first dose of Armour today and took a nap and after I got up I felt strangely "sane" (had even exercised ) so I was feeling good when I put on the lotion...clear mind...knock on wood!!!

I put those oils on my dd's list as well...and the shampoos that I buy are the only ones that she is using...he uses dandruff shampoo so that is not a problem. I couldn't understand her moods of late, because usually she is very calm and happy but she has been having angry outbursts since around thanksgiving but I chaulked it up to hormones....I'm guessing I was right!

I'll definitely check out the posts...

Thanks for your help!!!


TJ

As far as the products that I use, most of them are from the Burt's Bee line... When I catch them on sale I usually stock up and so I thought my dd was still using hers but apparently had run out months ago!

Sariah, I noticed they discontinued that shampoo the guy was using who developed the huge gut and lost his libido because of the high estrogen levels in his body. Those before and after photos were something!

TJ

OK. So after reading through all the posts, I am so very confused. Can anyone kind of recap all this info? Is the cream yes,ok to use....or no and which one is it? And the deoderant thing. OH my.......alot of info

If you look back at the first post, you will see that the poster was saying she had good luck getting rid of her hot flashes using Olay Regenerist micro-sculpting and night cream by rubbing it into her inner elbows and wrists. That was the original intent of the thread. I have been on the P-S Forum for 13 years and I have often seen a post hyjacked and go off the original topic. It seems that there always has to be some sort of debate going on, i.e. natural vs. un-natural, B-Hrt Vs. HRT...In this case, parabens vs. no parabens.

Using Regenerist Microsculpting cream has dramatically lessened my morning anxiety. I am NOT able to take any kind of hormone, so for me, finding this thread has been a miracle. There are many of us on here who are always on the look-out for something over the counter that we can use for meno symptoms. I can't use soy as I am allergic to it. I can't use B-HRT because of high blood pressure.

I am nine years post.

CG

Okay so glad it is working for some of the gals. I am curious though if this couldn't be doing some gals harm though, as in getting more E than needed. Shouldn't these products be labeled or controlled some how too? The more I read and farther I go into my journey, I am becoming quite ticked at the fact we have so many hormones coming at us from so many directions. It seems obvious that it is really messing with our systems as women.

I stick with Burt's Bee or Arbonne for my skin care, sick of getting crap I don't need into my body.

Getting more E than needed is not actually a problem for some of us here who cannot use HRT. I do not have my ovaries and I am happy for anything to help with the meno symptoms! If they are bad enough and you can't take HRT you just don't care-trust me!
I agree with Careergirl-the whole point of this thread has been hijacked. I don't care about the parabens aspect and I am not particularly bothered about all the in depth discussions about it. Sorry-don't mean to be rude
I have bought some Olay cream from Ebay and can't wait to try it-so thanks to natesnonni for pointing it out

HOnestly not questioning the women here, we all know we have issues. More referring to all the others out there that have no idea they are adding extra hormones into their system that they don't need. A little bit from this, a little bit from that, next thing you know you are in your 30's with breast cancer or other female issues and can't understand why. My problem/question is if it is truly healthy for us (women as a whole) to be getting all of this added junk?

Saying this thread was hijacked presumes it went into a discussion totally unrelated to the original post. Getting into a discussion about why the Regenerist would have that effect, and then discussing the pros and cons of that is directly related to the original post, IMHO.

I refer you to our seasoned poster -Careergirl's -message.
I think she is saying the post has been hijacked, because the original post was about treatment for hot flashes.
If people wish to discuss the effect of parabens and other xenoestrogens then they should start another thread to do so.

Nothing wrong with discussing it but maybe start a new thread?


janet c

Janet,
This sort of thing happens all the time without anyone commenting and nothing is said. Are there specific guidelines about exactly what constitutes hijacking so that we all can be clear about this?

Its not me who originally said it so ask careergirl.
janet c

Hey Janet ... If Olay really had that effect on breasts .... plastic surgeons would never allow it to be sold. lol