Dearest
Oct 23 2001, 11:35 AM
Due to the volume of messages in the original
Internal Shaking / Tremors topic, we will continue the discussion in this new topic (you can read the previous topic at the above link.
Internal shaking or a feeling of tremors inside, often described as an internal earthquake is a common symptom of menopause. Some attribute it to vasomotor symptoms and even call it a form of palpitations, while other say it's the result of estrogen deficiency or fluctuating hormone levels. Oftentimes, doctors will tell you it's your nerves, panic attacks and prescribe a tranquilizer. Post here about your experience with internal shaking.
Dearest
fiona
Oct 26 2001, 08:34 AM
Wow, we have really used up seven pages on this topic, mind you, I reckon I could use up seven just talking about all the weird things that happen. Susan T, you wrote about going nutso and singing your way out of it. That made me laugh - I have tried it but I must not be as brave as you, I just say positive things to myself over and over. Sometimes it works. When I have been really bad (not so much these days), I cant understand my own thoughts - I get stuck on a strange thing and it just stays there in my head, repeating itself. I can really relate to the cold thing. I have been so cold that I will have a very hot shower and my husband has come into the bathroom worried that I am bright red all over from having the water so hot to try and warm up. I am so lucky with my husband - he has endless tolerance and patience.
I want to tell you all what happened to my daughter last week. She is only 12 and has had her period since she was 10. She is now regular and doesnt seem to have many cramps or problems BUT she started having panic attacks with the onset of her period last week. She couldnt go to school or out to the shops or anything - her biggest complaint, her eyes. She said she felt pressure and shaking behind the eyes and felt she couldnt see properly. I took her straight to the doc and also had her eyes tested. They both said the same thing - panic attacks. She seems to be better now but then, her period is finished. My poor little girl, I cant bear the thought of her going through this all the time. We have explored all the possible things in her life that could create enough stress to bring this on and we cant come up with anything???? This thing cant be catching - but is it a hereditary hormonal thing. Its a worry.
I hope you are all well, I could go on for ages about all sorts of things as I havnt posted for awhile but wont bore you with my successful holiday details!!!!! I was so proud of myself - no shakes and no panic attacks the whole time I was away!!!! There is hope, it does and can pass. I know it.
Love and hugs to all,Fiona
Mystique
Oct 26 2001, 10:19 AM
Hi, Fiona
I couldn't help but respond to your post, as it brought back memories, of my childhood.I had a rough puberty. My periods started, when I was about the same age as your daughter, and I had a tough time for 4-5 years. It took that long for my periods to regulate, but what caught my attention with your story, is the panic attacks.I had them too, and they were bad! My poor mother, thought, I was loosing it! She took me to different doctors, and they said the same thing. My body was going through puberty and adjusting to the periods! This was causing all sorts of strange symptoms. Almost menopausal-like:(The good news is, it did pass and I was fine. Now, I'm perimenopausal and starting to experience them again!! Sigh. Sometimes, it gets so frustrating. I'm just so thankful for this site that has helped me understand my body more and not to be afraid.
I hope your daughter feels better soon. I'm sure she'll be okay. It just may take a little time.
Godspeed,
Dearest
Oct 27 2001, 12:15 PM
This topic can be used for ALL messages having to do with internal shaking / tremor-like, earthquaky feelings internally.
Dearest
juju
Oct 28 2001, 09:57 PM
These awful feelings were the main reason I could never tolerate the Pill in the past,but these peri-menopause years are causing the same feelings,and I can't do anything as simple as `binning` the pills!Love,juju
Yankeegal
Dec 18 2001, 07:32 AM
My main problem is suddenly waking up in the morning feeling internally shaky and having my heart palpitating. It's that "fight or flight" response, gone out of control! I've also been awakened from sleep at night with the same thing...that feeling of, "Oh, NO!", and feeling as if I was late for something or forgot something or SOMETHING! LOL I do the deep beathing to try to bring control, but I wish I could stop it from happening, in the first place.
sweetface
Dec 19 2001, 12:25 PM
Yankee....that has happened to me at one time or another.....What I've done is to get up and start walking the foor....It does help, anyway it helped me.....Anything to get my mind off of me......It is a scary feeling!...But if you stress about it, it only makes things worse....It in other words magnifies the anxiety....So try getting up and walking....see if it helps....while you're doing that think of something wonderful that you'd really like to be doing....just ponder that thought while walking....you'll find that the anxiety will release, and you'll feel much better......It has always worked for me, so I hope it will you.....remember, only you can make it work......Take Care,Sweetface
HippieHeron
Dec 29 2001, 08:27 PM
Fiona, I sympathize with your daughter on the panic attacks. That must be the hardest hormone change symptom to go through! It does seem that meno and puberty hormone changes can produce the same symptoms. My daughter has just started her period a few months ago (not regular yet) and I swear she must be having hot flashes! She's keeping a good attitude about it. Another chance for bonding, I guess!
wildflowers
Dec 29 2001, 09:35 PM
Hippie..i've never asked you..how old is your daughter? Just today my daughter says..(she has her period right now).."i''ve just figured out..calculations..if a girl has a period for 7 days (she does), every month (she does) for 12 months..then she has a period for 3 months of the year..12 weeks equals ..3 months..she was really disgusted..she used to want to get her period..now that she's 2 yrs. into it...she doesn't want it anymore...oh..well..honey...hehe...her main complaint is the bleeding..not the other symptoms...
HippieHeron
Jan 5 2002, 10:47 PM
Wildflowers, Oh, thank goodness your daughter's worst complaint is the bleeding! I'm always worried that if my daughter takes after me, one of these months she's going to have the terrible cramps. I'm a bit concerned when summer comes because it seems that the first period I would have during hot weather each year would start with really painful cramps. Hopefully that won't happen to her.
wildflowers
Jan 6 2002, 11:56 AM
Hippie..no hopefully it won't happen to her. Daughter has a hard time swallowing pills, but can manage a midol or an advil..she probably takes one of those every few months for cramps..I had cramps somewhat as a teen..the kind that shoot down your legs. She gets the pressure feeling in the small of the back.. not like i had at all.
Yankeegal
Jan 6 2002, 12:07 PM
Wildflowers - Pharmacies usually sell special glasses to help people swallow pills. They have a little ledge inside - you place the pill there, and it gets swept down your throat with the fluid. My son had great trouble with that, when he was little. I seethe, just thinking of the fact that his "macho" male pediatrician called him a "wuss"! Grrrrrr!
HippieHeron
Jan 24 2002, 01:56 AM
Sorry I haven't been posting for a while. Things have been more stressful again these past few weeks and I think that I still have not gotten completely over the stress from back when my husband was in the hospital. Anyway I am back to having some internal shaking problems and night panics and weird dreams every night. But thanks to Power Surge I don't worry about these panicky feelings as much but I'm still not getting my right sleep. Lots of arguing at home which doesn't help matters any. My daughter is going thru puberty, PMS and some mood swings. My husband is quite moody too and they clash a lot. If it gets on my nerves too much I yell too. My husband is doing better. He is back at work but still has a urinary tract infection which started when he was in the hospital. Gall bladder problems are over, but he has a habit of dwelling on any little discomfort he is feeling (sinuses. ear problems etc). This is getting to be a source of stress too, because I don't know whether to take him seriously or not. He's always been like this but now this is all he talks about. And I'm trying to get back on track with housework and my daughter's homeschooling. I'll be getting back to posting more in a few weeks.
Kalanie
Jan 24 2002, 02:11 AM
Hi Ruth...
I am sorry that things have been so stressful for you, and hope that things improve soon. :) It can be a very difficult situation to be taking care of others and ignore our own needs, which I think is a common thing for most women. I hope you can get focused on taking care of yourself, too... I have to remind myself of that alot also. I also hope your nights get better for you, and you can get enough sleep. Take care, and let us know how you are doing. :)
sweetface
Jan 24 2002, 12:21 PM
Hi Hippie...Was wondering where you were....It sounds like you've got your hands full....If I were you though, I'd do as Kalanie suggested, take some time for yourself, it's so important....Before you get in on the yelling match, walk away and go outside, anything to get away from that, you certainly don't need that.....I feel bad for your hubby that he's still battling that infection, but he needs to think of you too....Anyway, do take care of yourself Hippie,....you deserve it, even if no one else realizes it, all of us here on these boards do....Hugs,Sweetface
HippieHeron
Jan 25 2002, 12:51 AM
Thanks Sweetface and Kalanie. I do get a little time to myself each day but its so hard keeping up with everything. Hopefully things will settle down soon. At least no arguments for the last 2 days. I did sleep better last night, but today was busy again. If only there were more hours in the day.
sweetface
Jan 25 2002, 01:33 PM
Hi Hippie...glad things are setteling down alittle for you..now hope it stays that way for awhile so at least you can get a breather....I know what you mean about not enough time in the day...It never seems to be for me either....I'm glad that you got some sleep last night..It feels so good to get a good nights sleep once in a while doesn't it...I know, lately I've been having the sleep problem...I think I've just got too much on my mind all the time....It's stupid stuff too..nothing to stress about at all...Oh well,(yawn)maybe I can turn my mind off tonight huh???Take Care Hippie...Sweetface
HippieHeron
Jan 25 2002, 06:43 PM
I know what you mean about little things stressing you and keeping you from sleeping, Debra. This happens to me a lot too. Its just that there are so many little things that they all add up to a big thing! LOL Hope you have a good nights sleep tonight, Debra.
athenea
Jan 26 2002, 09:06 AM
Ruthie!!!!I imagined something wasn't right, that you weren't around and about like usual - it must be hard going, those awful panic attacks and weird dreams must make you feel like a wreck the next morning and you need all the energy you can get - maybe when your husband picks up a bit healthwise he'll start getting back to his normal self - and like the girls say, you really do have to look after yourself, that's a major priority - I'm thinking of you - and hope so much that things will start falling into place for you really soon. We'll be watching for you here, but take your time and try not to worry too much - we're thinking about you, you know that :smile:Kisses, Barbie xxxxxxxxA big kiss
HippieHeron
Jan 26 2002, 02:51 PM
Thanks Barbie, I know you are all thinking of me and I felt bad about not posting for a while. Sometimes I get too tired to gather my thoughts together and organize them and type! :confused: lol But I am so thankful that I have all of you to talk to!

Things are improving now, not so nerve wracking, and actually I've figured out some meaning behind those dreams. One was about a trapped bird (I'll have to post that one on the dreams board). I'm planning on coming to the anxiety chat this Thursday and hopefully in the next couple of weeks I can start coming more often to the weight chat and posting on the diet and exercise boards. If I go back to exercising regularly I think that will help me to feel less stressed. Thanks again, Barbie!
athenea
Jan 27 2002, 03:49 PM
Hi Ruthie!!
Well, you're getting there if things are improving, even if slowly - oh my goodness, don't feel bad at all about not posting - Ruth, you have stuff to cope with, so don't feel you are letting anyone down - when you are here you are here for everyone and that goes "noticed". Excercising is a great idea too - I've been pretty lax with that too between one thing and another so wham, let's get to it.Sometimes I can post all over the place and then I feel, oh, I've got so much to do, I haven't got time and other things need my attention, so then, you know, I just slow down, write one liners and get back when I'm ready to. You can do that too - and kick that guilty feeling out of the window - I'm doing that :cool:My pleasure and thanks to you too for your help.A big kiss, Barbie X
sweetface
Jan 27 2002, 05:19 PM
Hi Hippie...Glad to hear that things are improving for you...I myself need to start exercising regularly again..I use to be fanatical about it, what the heck happened ??Anyway, I need to get back to basics....walking, riding my bike that has 5 inches of dust on it...Riding bike always kept me fit...And I miss it...So, I need to just do it !!!Also like Barbie said, don't ever feel guilty about not posting...when you do post you're a big help to others whether you realize it or not...Not everyone can post all the time...The only reason that I can right now is because my business is out of my home...and right now is the slow time for me...but come Spring, I won't be able to post as much either....So don't feel bad....Take Care,Sweetface
HippieHeron
Jan 27 2002, 07:41 PM
Thanks Barbie and Debra! I did get out to go walking for a while today and yesterday. The weather has been beautiful here this weekend! 60°F ! Not your typical January in Chicago! But unfortunately now my daughter has a bad cold, maybe the flu (she has a fever). More depression in the house. My mother has it too. We delivered groceries to her the other day so maybe that's where Bethany caught it. Oh well. Our 2 cats are better. They had colds and were on antibiotics for the past 2 weeks. Somehow we all survived the wrestling matches with them and they are livelier now - back to normal. I found out we had a mouse in the house the other day because they were chasing it down the hall!

My daughter trapped it in a garbage can and we released it outside.
Well, I guess this illness will pass too and then its on to the next problem
Oh well. Thanks for the advice about posting. I am so glad to talk to others here, but I guess sometimes I just have to limit myself to one or two boards.
maggymay
Jan 29 2002, 04:20 PM
hi everyone. Im 54 18 months post meno and suffering the same as you with internal tremor/shaking.It first began in June last year when I was put on hrt and i got severe palpitations when i was three weeks into the therapy. The palps stopped eventually and I tried hrt again and the same thing happened, Istopped once more and the palps stopped, but I have been left with this dreaded internal shaking. Before I open my eyes in the morning I feel it buzzing into action mostly in the upper part of my body and face. I have noticed lately that if I get up and go to the bathroom or stretct out well it tends to subside. Also if I have A NAP THE SAME THING HAPPENS! has anyone else heard of this? In addition to all of this I now have a sort of sensation in one of my eyes as if there is a hair touching the lower eyelashes not exactly a twitch but it could turn into one if you know what I mean. I feel as if I really am losing my mind. Once you have the shaking is it there for good or will it go eventually. Have sreen doc and heart,lungs,thyroid,bp,etc all normal but iget so worried that i am in the start of a serious illness and its not being detected! Im in the uk is anyone else on these boards.? Please reassure me some one out there Im so glad i stumbled on this great website thank you dearest. MAGGIEMAY........XXX
maggymay
Jan 29 2002, 04:21 PM
hi everyone. Im 54 18 months post meno and suffering the same as you with internal tremor/shaking.It first began in June last year when I was put on hrt and i got severe palpitations when i was three weeks into the therapy. The palps stopped eventually and I tried hrt again and the same thing happened, Istopped once more and the palps stopped, but I have been left with this dreaded internal shaking. Before I open my eyes in the morning I feel it buzzing into action mostly in the upper part of my body and face. I have noticed lately that if I get up and go to the bathroom or stretct out well it tends to subside. Also if I have A NAP THE SAME THING HAPPENS! has anyone else heard of this? In addition to all of this I now have a sort of sensation in one of my eyes as if there is a hair touching the lower eyelashes not exactly a twitch but it could turn into one if you know what I mean. I feel as if I really am losing my mind. Once you have the shaking is it there for good or will it go eventually. Have sreen doc and heart,lungs,thyroid,bp,etc all normal but iget so worried that i am in the start of a serious illness and its not being detected! Im in the uk is anyone else on these boards.? Please reassure me some one out there Im so glad i stumbled on this great website thank you dearest. MAGGIEMAY........XXX
HippieHeron
Jan 29 2002, 11:47 PM
Hi Maggymay, The internal shaking is a meno symptom. When I had it, at the worst (2 years ago) I was shaking a bit all during my awake times, but especially when I laid down to go to sleep. First thing in the morning I wouldn't have it, but soon after getting up it would start. Unless I had a dream that would wake me up (kind of panicky), then it would start immediately. It made me tired thru out the day so I would take naps and I had it then too. It did go away for me after I got my period again (I skipped a couple months). It hasn't been as bad since then. Last winter I had it only when I had panicky dreams. It seemed that exercising (moderate walking) helped stop it then. Now I've been thru some stress, so I feel it a bit occasionally these last few weeks, but I don't worry about it as much, since I know what it is, and it doesn't get very bad. Best to not worry about it. See if it doesn't get any worse if you don't worry. I know it is uncomfortable and scary but many of us on these boards have had it and if your doctor hasn't found anything else, its probably just from meno.
I have also had the eye twitching off and on. It may be from meno, but I think every time I have had it I have also been in need of some dental work on my teeth. For me its always been in the left eye. Other ladies may have had experiences with the eye twitching too and they will reply, but you might want to go to your dentist to see if there is a tooth problem. Good luck and welcome, Maggymay!
Keep watching all the boards and exploring the site. There are a lot of answers and a lot of information here to put your mind at ease and a lot of friends to meet who you can talk to and know that you are not alone.
missycat
Jan 31 2002, 10:04 AM
]]] HI ITS MISSYCAT JUST WONDERED, I WOKE UP THE MORNING WITH TOSE TERRIBLE, SHAKY FEELING, FROM THERE DISSY AND I WONDER, IF I WAS ON MY OWN ]]]]] WOULD IT GET BETTER, I AM SO STRESSED TO THE MAX..../////// DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ANSWER. MISSYCAT
HippieHeron
Feb 1 2002, 12:33 PM
Hi Missycat

,The shaky feeling and anxiety are meno symptoms. Talking about it here on the boards helps and getting rest whenever you need it helps. Take time for yourself to just get rest and if you think that talking to a counselor would help, try that. Sometimes you can find a good one just by going thru the yellow pages of your phone book. You could also read the transcripts from the guest chats here on Power Surge. Go towards the bottom of the main Power Surge board and scroll thru the guests for Bronwyn Fox and Lee Baer. They are the panic and anxiety experts. There are 2 chats with each of them I think. Bronwyn Fox is also in the Ask the Experts section just below the transcripts on the main page. Both of them have written books on panic and anxiety. If what you read in the transcripts is helpful you might want to see about getting one of their books. Good luck and take care.

We all care about you and are praying that you can feel better.
P. S. Stuart Shipko is another guest that has talked about panic and anxiety. There are 2 or 3 transcripts of his chats here as well.
Flossie
Feb 1 2002, 02:28 PM
Hi Maggiemay!I am from the UK too, and yes, I get the internal (infernal) shaking and the eye twitch-almost-but-not-quite too! I also have numb toes, sore legs, itching, bugs UNDER my skin, anxiety....it's no picnic, is it?! I think all my symptoms are worse when I worry about them - when I convince myself that it must be a serious disease. But the ladies here are always reassuring, and always here for us, and so we just support each other and cope...well, most days anyway!!Hope it helps to know you're not alone...Jools xx
SanMarie
Feb 6 2002, 10:43 AM
Hi Everyone -Have been off the board for quite some time. Remember back when I contacted Oprah and begged her to do a show on menopause and what doctors don't know and don't tell you? I think lots of you contacted her as well. Well.....she is having a show on today - Wednesday, February 6, 2002 - and on her show yesterday she said "Watch and hear about what you don't know about menopause." I am so excited. Just wanted to tell everyone that possibly can to watch. I am going to tape it. Don't forget - if you miss it this morning - she is on again late at night. This is CST. I hope that she has some good things on there!!!!!Sandi
Kari
Feb 7 2002, 12:02 PM
Hi Sandi
I missed Oprah.......was it any good? Did they get right to the heart of the matter or was it another program about "finding the woman inside"?
I remember your posts about the internal shaking etc. How are you doing?
Dearest
Feb 10 2002, 08:53 PM
Excuse me for being so blunt, but I've got to say this or I'll burst. I'm no Oprah. I don't aspire to be an Oprah, but it makes me wonder why a one hour television show on menopause can cause such excitement when the one hour she spent with
Dr. Chris Northrup - Dr. Northrup spent here in Power Surge when I started this menopause community. Do you think a one hour show can even begin to touch on all the subjects we've touched on in eight years here?
"....and on her show yesterday she said "Watch and hear about what you don't know about menopause." I am so excited"
I also wonder about these comments - what you don't know about menopause and did they get to the heart of the matter?
I mean, what does anyone think the thousands of pages here on this site do (and I'm not referring to these message boards, but to an enormous Web site) if not get to the heart of the matter.
Okay, so maybe it's Oprah, but how does one compare a one hour TV show on menopause to an eight year award-winning dedication to what you need to know about and getting to the heart of the subject of menopause?
When I started this community, nobody was talking about menopause. When I started this community not a single person spoke about internal shaking. That and palpitations were my worst symptoms. I would even ask my own guest experts - some of the biggest names in the area of women's health whose transcripts are in the library -- have you read them? -- and they offered various opinions on the subject of internal shaking -- most of the time it was attributed to anxiety, but I never bought that, not even from the biggest names because it isn't the case. Internal shaking doesn't necessarily come from anxiety, but from hormones that are completely out of synch. I'd venture a guess that a great deal of the anxiety comes from the internal shaking.
Since 1993, I have put myself on the line by openly questioning Premarin -- their drugs, the way they get their drugs (from abusing pregnant mares to get their urine to make for women to swallow - the thought nauseates me) - this is documented in a chat with the manufacturer, Wyeth Ayerst. Has anyone read the transcript?
I have always spoken bluntly about synthetic hormones and the risks and adverse side effects of especially synethtic progestins like Provera because Provera is one of the worst things women can take. Interesting that what I've been saying for years seems to be turning out to be the case.
I think Oprah has a great show (who wouldn't at that salary?), but when I see such excitement at the fact that she's devoting a one hour show to menopause and it's as if she's the first person to discover menopause, while Power Surge has provided eight years every day on every conceivable subject associated with menopause, it just makes me wonder.
Dearest
Kalanie
Feb 11 2002, 01:33 AM
Hi Dearest....
For what it's worth, I took that post as a sort of sarcastic comment about Oprah's show, because in my opinion, Oprah is always having so many shows on "the ______ (fill in the blank) inside"... I rarely find her shows to be filled with as many revelations as she apparently believes they are. If I would have had the time, I would have watched it only to see how much more I might know than her, simply from what I have learned here at Power Surge. I personally feel that if Oprah wants to learn alot more about her own trip into Menoland, she might do herself a favor and visit here.
sweetface
Feb 11 2002, 11:45 AM
Dearest....For what it's worth, I have learned so much on these boards and site...More than I could have ever learned from a 1hr. Oprah show....From what I understand she spent the whole hr talking about peri meno...What about the biggest hell of all..."Post"...So many think that after peri it's a breeze...Well, I'm here to tell you it's NOT!!...But not a thing was said about post, why?..Because Oprah isn't in post yet...But wait until she is.....Surprise...Surprise....Anyway, just had to vent along with you...Hope you don't mind...Sweetface
AnnS
Feb 11 2002, 03:50 PM
I also remember a little over a year ago, when I first found these boards, that Oprah did a show on menopause (she wasn't having any symptoms then), and she made it sound like a "glorious " journey, and said how happy she would be to "embrace it"!

!

Now that she's into peri, she obviously isn't finding it so "glorious", and so she's making that her "mission-of-the-moment". When she's post and still miserable, she'll undoubtedly be doing shows on post and acting like she's the first person to realize that it's also a problem!! I've never been a big Oprah fan, but lately, she's gotten so egostitical.........it always has to be about her!!!
Power Surge is the best place to learn and heal, and I tell everyone about it!
You're right, Dearest, you're no Oprah......you've got Oprah beat hands down...........you care, you share, and you don't make it all about you (even though you'd certainly be entitled to, after all you've been through).
Thank you so much for this fantastic place, and all the hard work you put into keeping it up for us.
Love and hugs :cheesy: Ann
Kalanie
Feb 11 2002, 10:33 PM
Speaking of Oprah... has anyone ever noticed how she often interrupts a guest who is in midsentence to talk about herself? I hate that, so rarely watch her anymore.... I am tired of never hearing the ending of something I am interested in that a guest is talking about. :(
HippieHeron
Feb 12 2002, 01:16 AM
Oprah would learn a lot more if she came to Power Surge. Actually medical schools should send their Gyns-to-be to Power Surge to learn all that the medical books haven't been telling them. :biggrin:
Dearest
Feb 12 2002, 05:48 PM
Thanks for your replies. I try to hold my tongue (fingers?) when I read / hear something that affects me that way. It's better not to cause dissention. However, a few of those comments just got my gander up, or maybe as Vickie said, they were sarcastic. It's hard to tell especially when you only have the written word and the tone to rely on.
But, when Cybill Shepherd walked around telling the immediate world that, "I think hot flashes are such fun, I named them Power Surges." Give me a break. You don't own that expression, Cybill. You can read about it in this article by Power Surge guest, David Steinman -- whose transcript is fascinating, by the way.
I really appreciate all your support.
Dearest
Kari
Feb 12 2002, 06:50 PM
Dearest, I was being sarcastic. Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I never saw the program but my point was that if she wasn't getting to the nuts and bolts of some of these severe meno symptoms then she was doing a great disservice to many women. I was thinking of the thousands of women sitting at home experiencing internal shaking or heart palps and haven't found Power Surge or even have access to a computer. Watching a show about "finding the woman inside" isn't going to be much help for someone who's wondering if they should go to the ER. I hope you understand what i'm trying to say here.
I'm so thankful that I found Power Surge......I wish everyone going through this horrific time could find their way here.
HippieHeron
Feb 14 2002, 12:16 PM
I agree. These problems of internal shaking, weird dreams, disrupted sleep, anxiety etc cannot be eased away by just watching a TV program or reading a book. Most resources won't address them anyway. You have to be in communication with others who are experiencing the same thing and know that you are not alone in this. To know that what seems very strange and unreal is a natural, common thing that happens to many women. It is such a shame that people, even doctors and I'm sure a TV personality such as Oprah, treat the really scary symptoms of menopause as hush-hush topics.
Thank you so much, Dearest, for providing us with Power Surge. 
(Edited by HippieHeron at 12:18 pm on Feb. 14, 2002)
(Edited by HippieHeron at 6:25 pm on Feb. 18, 2002)
SanMarie
Feb 27 2002, 01:21 PM
Dearest - PLEASE READ!
I haven't been on since I posted about the Oprah Show and just now saw your post. First, I have to say that I like Oprah and I think she tries hard to help people. And, she is only human like the rest of us. But, I think you may have taken my post in the wrong way. The reason that I was so excited about her upcoming show was because I had contacted her several times and asked her to let women out there know about your site. She has such a following that I was hoping that she would get the word out there to all the women who are suffering and have nowhere to turn that there is this great site for women. I was disappointed that she didn't mention Power-Surge, and with all the emails that she gets, she probably didn't even see mine. Right after I watched the show, and it didn't even mention internal shaking, or Power-Surge I contacted her again. I even told her that she would have been able to relieve her tensions over the symptoms she was experiencing had she visited the site. But Dearest, I am sorry if you took my post in the wrong way. It wasn't to applaud her for doing the show. It was because I had hoped with all my heart she was going to tell women about Power-Surge. It is one of my crusades to let women know that this site is here. I have contacted OB-GYN's to tell them about it.
MaggieMay - that happens to me too. If I can sleep and wake naturally, without an alarm or phone waking me - then it doesn't seem to be as bad. Right now I am suffering horribly. The shaking has returned for the past two days and has been consistently non-stop. No matter how much Xanax I take - it isn't touching it. My legs feel like rubber and I am back to my old way of thinking that this must be because of something horrible going wrong. This, along with the panic attacks that I have had since 1985, and the extreme pain of the rheumatoid arthritis (which I can't alleviate with pain meds cause they hurt my stomach), I sometimes wonder just how much a person can take. :-(
Dearest, again, please understand why I posted what I did. I love you and your site. If you ever take it down - it will be an enormous loss for women. I didn't think I was going to hear anything on Oprah's show that I didn't find on this site. I thought the show was going to get the word out about you to millions. I am so disappointed that it didn't. PS: I hope you are feeling better.
Sandi
Minnie
Apr 2 2002, 02:38 PM
Hi, I posted on the night sweats board, but I also have had chills and shaking. After reading alot of other womens symptoms, I guess my chills shakes & sweats fit right in there with good ol' menopausal inbalance. I have started on some natural hormones, and have use them now for two weekz. Estradiol & prometrium. I have also talked to Pete Hueseman, nice man by the way, and being as how I have my yearly exam coming up tomorrow, he advised me to get some more testing done on my hormones, so the doc & him can get it straight as to what I need to really be on and how often. Hopefully, I'll be fine tuned in a couple of months, and my anxiety levels will go down a lot. This whole thing really threw me. For 8 years I thought I had menopause under control. Oh well, as I can see I am not alone in my plight. Thanks for all your imput, it feels good to know there are others out there with similar problems.I think reading uplifting books by people like Dr. Wayne Dyer & Marianne Williamson, really help too. Well geez, I should write a book. This is way to long. Thanks if you read all this.
taffy
Apr 8 2002, 07:05 PM
I'm a grad. student in speech path, and have been researching this precise problem for some years now. There is no specific neuro/endocrino info on this problem, though it does exist. I've suffered from it since my mid thirties, and I'm 47 now. I think it is a benign, though alarming and uncomfortable condition, however, resulting from the severe hormonal changes (which also act as neurotransmitters throughout our brain and body) brought about by perimenopause and menopause. You need to remember that the place of importance of women in every aspect, including their health, is new to the world, even in the US. There is little time or incentive for providing for the investigative health concerns of women. Male physicians cannot relate to female conditions, they don't experience them. They can only quickly rely on homogenous solutions to the myriad problems they are presented with every day. The health system our legislative system has allowed to flourish dictates our health status. When women learn how to take their health concerns out of cyberspace and into the 3d world, they will have a better chance of solving them. You can be sure that menopausal symptoms have been around for milleniums. If they were life-threatening, we wouldn't be around to discuss them. We notice them more, because we are living beyond 45 years of age to experience them. So, there must be something in our life-system that allows us to survive, despite the unpleasant symptoms. Men don't have this. What are we going to do about it? Nothing.
Yankeegal
Apr 8 2002, 07:21 PM
Call me an optimist, but just the fact that we are here,on this message board, talking about it, means we are doing something! We are comforting each other, as only women can, and sharing our experiences and information. Menopause is a temporary, although sometimes unnerving, continuation of our life journey. We must look at the positives and do all we can to make them outweigh the negatives!
sweetface
Apr 11 2002, 12:11 PM
Hi Yankee....Long time no hear from....Been thinking about you off and on, wondering where the heck you were ....Missed you on these boards....Hope that you are doing ok....You are so right about looking at the positives and not the negatives...It helps us get through things that life throws at us alot easier....Take Care my friend....Sweetface
Yankeegal
Apr 11 2002, 12:50 PM
Hi Debra,Thank you for your very sweet post - it's nice to have been missed! My life's been nutty - my car died on the highway 3 days before Xmas, and I was dealing with all of that, my mother (who is in a nursing home) had to be admitted to the hospital for a week for dehydration, last weekend my son's car, which was parked in front of the house, was smashed into (hit and run), and I'm just mentioning the MAJOR stuff! LOL As I said, it's been really nutty. I had been feeling great, up until last week. I've gotten a normal period for the past two months, but just last week I started all of my "weird" symptoms.....mild sore throat, aches/pains everywhere (muscles and joints) and cramps, breast tenderness, fluttering in chest, etc. Now today I have a little spotting so I will see if it's the start of my period (which is due around the 15th). I'm not usually early but then, in this stage, anything is possible!Hopefully, when things calm down a bit (ha!) I'll have a little more time to spend here with my friends at Power Surge. Thanks again, Sweetface, and hope you're feeling okay too! - Kim
sweetface
Apr 11 2002, 11:00 PM
Yankee....It's just good to have you back here.....It sounds like you've had alot on your plate lately, to say the least.....You poor thing still having periods and all..That's enough to drive anyone batty....I'm sorry to hear that things have kind of been in an uproar for you...Life sometimes just doesn't seem fair does it ?? Especially when things hit us from all directions....But somehow we finally get through it, and then we say "whew" ! Right ?....Well, I've been doing ok....I had an appendectomy on Feb 26th, but am fine now....Boy, that thing hit me all at once...Weird, I thought only kids got appendicitis....Not true....But am doing fine once again and back to where I left off....Hope to see you around more often Yankee, as you've really been missed, and I enjoy your posts....Take Care,Debraps....I know what you mean about the achey joints etc...I've been having my share also....In fact I've been using my heat/massager chair pad often lately....My joints just hurt !!!...You ought to purchase one Kim, they are cheap and they work good....At least it has for me....
Bebe
Apr 15 2002, 01:10 AM
Hi Everyone!
An epiphany, an awakening, a sigh of relief especially through the knowledge that generous and caring women have imparted to those of us walking the trembly landscape of menopause.
Like many of you, I ran to my doctor when the "internal vibration" first started. I'd just started jogging again, after a very long time, and the exercise felt great. I exercise regularly by I wanted to shed a few pounds and needed to ratchet up the fat-burners.
Well...my internist, a man of compassion and warmth, listened intently, read the information I'd found on the internet and printed about B12 deficiencies and "tingling," and noted that my blood tests indicated I was probably iron deficient. Since I hadn't had a period in 8 months, he felt that I needed to see a gastroenterologist to rule out gastric obstructions or bleeding. The endoscopy proved negative and now they want me to have a colonoscopy, even though the one I had 2 years ago left me, in the doc's words "clean as a whistle."
So, the iron deficiency anemia is being treated with iron supplements. I started to obsess about the "internal vibration" in my left which moved to my left side, my chest, my arm and was not painful. It is then that the journey of medical merry-go-rounds began. Second leg on the tour...the neurologist...I went to him because of my leg jangling, quaking, trembling, vibrating, electrical shock-like feelings with no associated pain. A compassionate soul, he listened intently to my numerous complaints, the sad state of my $ affairs because I'd lost my job and couldn't find another, raising a child alone, and so forth and so on....until nothing more I could say would offer him a clue. His answer "90% of internal vibrations are psychogenic and the only other thing I know of that could cause it is Parkinson's but I don't see any evidence of that."
There it was, out in the open, the words said by male medical practitioners "psychogenic." I told him that I knew my body and it reacts to stress differently. I have Trigeminal Neuralgia, an extremely painful facial pain disorder that is unusual before the age of 40. I was 35 when diagnosed with it and it appears to me, after reading here that Internal Shaking is not one of the more usual symptoms of menopause, that I may be predisposed to "nerve" affectations.
Anyway, because of the TN he sent me for a Brain MRI to rule out Multiple Sclerosis, then he did an EMG to rule in Carpal Tunnel, and Evoked Potental Nerve Conduction Studies to rule out MS or other motor neuron disorders. Thankfully, all negative! So, back to the "internal vibration..." I went to all these doctors for that in the first place and no one was able to diagnose it, not even my ob/gyn who said he's heard of "tingling" but not "internal vibration."
I think my friends and family believe I am too worried about my health but now that I know other women share my shakiness, I'm calmer already.
I'd been exposed to a power surge under my home when one of the electrical cables blew and caused that portable phone I was talking on to disappear. So, it's ironic or pehaps prophetic to find that the name of this board is "power surge." I even began to think that it had set off the vibrations and searched for information about that.
My sister is a great doc - she diagnosed my TN when doctor after doctor dismissed my pain even though I couldn't speak, eat or read a story to my young son - and even she didn't know if this was a symptom of menopause. I've asked the question to all the doctors about it being a symptom of menopause and the men looked at me as if I were just another neurotic woman patient.
OK, so I validated them, I said "I'm just another neurotic woman patient but please help me..." The day my shaking started, I felt as if the vibrations from the TV or movie I went to were coming through the floor and the seats.
So, finding this site has made me feel 100% better! Thank you! Oh, and I take Neurontin for the Trigeminal Neuralgia and that is the medication of choice for patients with "tremors."
I cannot take HRT as my mom had breast cancer 32 years ago (she's fine!!) and there's a history of it in my family. The doc recommended phytoestrogens or soy products but my sister said the studies don't show much promise - more of a placebo effect. I will try it, anyway, because after developing an allergy to the initial TN medication I found capsaisin, which got me eating in 2 days and kept me pain-free for 10 years. Now, it's not enough, but the Neurontin really helps.
Thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for caring.
Bebe
Suzie
Apr 15 2002, 04:59 PM
Hi Bebe,What a time you've had! It really amazes me at how little most Dr.s know about menepause. Thank God for the web site ! I thought I was going crazy! My Dr. had me on antidepressents and sedatives and I"ve never been depressed in my life( until starting perimenepause!) Anyway, the internal shaking is a very common symptom and most of us have experienced it. I find that sometimes it helps me if I eat something.( maybe it's all in my mind, but at least I feel better!)Glad you found power-surge!
Suzie
Irene Crites
Apr 15 2002, 11:15 PM
Hi Bebe.....At
http://www.power-surge.com/revival1.htm it gives you the latest info on soy and its benefits and efficacy. I think you should visit the site as you may find that soy could be helpful to you. I have been using Revival since August 2001 and feel so much better as many of the women on this site do. Also there is a whole thread on Revival that will give you some insight from women who are using soy for meno symptoms.
Blessings and be well.