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Ajay
I think I have asked this before.,,,if so please forgive me for asking again. I had read somewhere that most women have their worst symptoms in their last year of peri right before they go post. How many would agree?? Oh pleeeeeeze say you agree! tongue.gif I'd give ANYTHING to think I am nearing the end of all this!!! rolleyes.gif

Thanks Ladies!
NiteOwl
That was true for me as far as the crazy periods, palps, internal shaking, etc. The last year of periods was the worst! But the severe fatigue and insomnia continued to get worse...and the hot flashes didn't really get started until a few months after my cycles stopped.
Ajay
QUOTE (NiteOwl @ Aug 18 2008, 05:10 PM) *
That was true for me as far as the crazy periods, palps, internal shaking, etc. The last year of periods was the worst! But the severe fatigue and insomnia continued to get worse...and the hot flashes didn't really get started until a few months after my cycles stopped.


Thanks, NiteOwl......Are you still suffereing with hot flashes? My periods are getting further and further apart. I almost made it to my year mark, then WHAM! Since then I have really suffered with fatigue, hot flashes, spotting, insomnia, aches, dizzies...you name it! I'm hoping and praying this is my last year! I'll be 52 in January so let's hope.....
sybilleruth
Every woman is different, but my physical symptoms were the worst the last year but then the mental symptoms kicked in after post. It is a toss up which symptoms was REALLY the worst. Post symptoms last about five years. What a ride!!!!
Floater
I had lots of unpleasant symptoms during peri, heavy periods, hot flashes, occasional dizzies, low energy, low sex drive, etc. When my periods stopped then I started getting an increase in anxiety, insomnia, hot flashes became constant, the dizzies became constant, I felt worse and worse until 6 months after my last period...then things got REALLY bad!!!

I am 17 months without a period, I take Paxil, Estrogel and prometrium and feel better than I have felt in years. Still get occasional hot flashes, but for the most part I feel pretty darn good. I am not sure I would if I wasn't taking the meds.
dcamp
Hi Ajay,

For me peri was awful with the panic, anxiety and dizzies. I've been post for about 3 years and the panic and anxiety have pretty much gone away. I still get the dizzies from time to time, but I have to say than post has been better than peri. Hang in there---it's got to get better eventually.

Hugs, Donna

Ajay
QUOTE (dcamp @ Aug 18 2008, 09:18 PM) *
Hi Ajay,

For me peri was awful with the panic, anxiety and dizzies. I've been post for about 3 years and the panic and anxiety have pretty much gone away. I still get the dizzies from time to time, but I have to say than post has been better than peri. Hang in there---it's got to get better eventually.

Hugs, Donna


Thank you, Donna. I know it will end one day and I am so looking forward to that. In the meantime I just ask as many questions as I can in my quest to gain understanding and reassurance. Some ladies say once they reach post they feel 100% better, but other ladies wouldn't agree with that. I know each lady is unique and my experience is not identical to anyone else's. It just helps to read about other experiences.

I very much appreciate all of your posts! Here's hoping everyone has a good day tomorrow!
Ajay
NiteOwl
QUOTE (Ajay @ Aug 18 2008, 07:06 PM) *
Thanks, NiteOwl......Are you still suffereing with hot flashes? My periods are getting further and further apart. I almost made it to my year mark, then WHAM! Since then I have really suffered with fatigue, hot flashes, spotting, insomnia, aches, dizzies...you name it! I'm hoping and praying this is my last year! I'll be 52 in January so let's hope.....

After 14 months without a period and a continued downhill slide I went on BHRT, at age 51. It made a huge difference in how I feel and I have no intention of ever stopping them! smile.gif
XIII
As you know every woman is completely individual but here is a summary of my time line.
Mid 40s - severe migraines and IBS type symptoms
Late 40s - migraines and IBS eased but gave way to fatigue and irrational worries and anxiety. Insomnia and irrational health anxiety. Lots of strange pains in joints, neck and back. Constipation. Felt like a right hypochondriac!
Early 50s - Cycles became less regular and I was aware that I did not ovulate every month. Stinky arm pits and episodic breast pain becoming a feature. The occasional missed period. Fatigue and lots of introspective soul searching at this stage. Over emotional and tearful at the slightest provocation. Feeling of sadness and grief over my lost fertility and youth. Suffered 'black' days where I fell into a pit of despair. Allergies much worse than usual and had to take steroids for asthma.
51 - Missed periods for 6 months. Hot flashes becoming a significant feature. 2 further periods around Christmas time during which I felt much better.
I have had no periods since then and my mental state is much more balanced. However this is when the true fatigue and severe hot flashes set in. At this stage my hot flashes would stop me in my tracks and if I did not sit down and use a fan to cool myself I would fall down. Within minutes of a hot flash I could be chilled to the bone. Realised that I had lost the ability to control my body temp. Just can't tolerate heat at all. Strange throat and nose symptoms. Libido went on vacation and underarm hair evaporated! Insomnia is no longer a problem yet I still need to sleep during the day. Numbness and pins and needles in my extremities come and go in surges. Always wake up in a sea of sweat!
I am tired and longing for relief from symptoms that are blighting my life. I am coping, just. I do sometimes get a good day and I hang onto that.
Looking forward to the time when I can confirm that all this really does get better. rolleyes.gif

Hope this helps to put things in perspective for you..........


XIII smile.gif
Ajay
QUOTE (XIII @ Aug 19 2008, 02:44 AM) *
As you know every woman is completely individual but here is a summary of my time line.
Mid 40s - severe migraines and IBS type symptoms
Late 40s - migraines and IBS eased but gave way to fatigue and irrational worries and anxiety. Insomnia and irrational health anxiety. Lots of strange pains in joints, neck and back. Constipation. Felt like a right hypochondriac!
Early 50s - Cycles became less regular and I was aware that I did not ovulate every month. Stinky arm pits and episodic breast pain becoming a feature. The occasional missed period. Fatigue and lots of introspective soul searching at this stage. Over emotional and tearful at the slightest provocation. Feeling of sadness and grief over my lost fertility and youth. Suffered 'black' days where I fell into a pit of despair. Allergies much worse than usual and had to take steroids for asthma.
51 - Missed periods for 6 months. Hot flashes becoming a significant feature. 2 further periods around Christmas time during which I felt much better.
I have had no periods since then and my mental state is much more balanced. However this is when the true fatigue and severe hot flashes set in. At this stage my hot flashes would stop me in my tracks and if I did not sit down and use a fan to cool myself I would fall down. Within minutes of a hot flash I could be chilled to the bone. Realised that I had lost the ability to control my body temp. Just can't tolerate heat at all. Strange throat and nose symptoms. Libido went on vacation and underarm hair evaporated! Insomnia is no longer a problem yet I still need to sleep during the day. Numbness and pins and needles in my extremities come and go in surges. Always wake up in a sea of sweat!
I am tired and longing for relief from symptoms that are blighting my life. I am coping, just. I do sometimes get a good day and I hang onto that.
Looking forward to the time when I can confirm that all this really does get better. rolleyes.gif

Hope this helps to put things in perspective for you..........

Oh my goodness, yes. Your time line is very similar to mine. It does put things on perspective for me. By the way, have you taken anything...hormones, etc to get you through? I'm hoping to stay away from them, but I've also learned to never say never. Take care and thank you.


XIII smile.gif

Armadillo
QUOTE (sybilleruth @ Aug 18 2008, 07:34 PM) *
Every woman is different, but my physical symptoms were the worst the last year but then the mental symptoms kicked in after post. It is a toss up which symptoms was REALLY the worst. Post symptoms last about five years. What a ride!!!!


I am 54 and maybe 3 years post (I forget exactly, having some memory problems).
My physical symptoms were minor. My periods were regular, and just stopped one month, never to return. My mental symptoms became uncontrollable once I was post. I was hospitalized for two months in a psychiatric hospital, and am still dealing with minor psychotic episodes. No one in my family has lived to be 60, and there is mental illness on both sides. I have no idea what will happen in the future, since I have nothing to base it on. Family history suggests a bleak outlook, though. But, since my memory is failing, perhaps dementia is already coming on fast, so I won't know or care about anything anymore. That may be a blessing in disguise!


NiteOwl
Hey Armadillo - Have you been following any of the research studies they are doing with estrogen replacement and psychosis? They are finding that using an estrogen patch along with regular antipsychotic medications reduces the delusions, hallucinations, disordered thinking and cognitive deficits. They are also looking at SERMs to see if these also provide a decrease/improvement in psychotic episodes for both men and women.
Armadillo
QUOTE (NiteOwl @ Aug 19 2008, 11:27 AM) *
Hey Armadillo - Have you been following any of the research studies they are doing with estrogen replacement and psychosis? They are finding that using an estrogen patch along with regular antipsychotic medications reduces the delusions, hallucinations, disordered thinking and cognitive deficits. They are also looking at SERMs to see if these also provide a decrease/improvement in psychotic episodes for both men and women.


This is a continuing argument between my shrink, my primary care MD and my cardiologist.

Some of the meds I'm on may cause cardiac inflammation and arrythmias.
Estrogen is also implicated as a cause of SOME heart disease.
I have an implanted pacemaker.
I also have some cardiac inflammation, in addition to a slow, irregular heartbeat.

My cardiologist thinks HRT is not indicated for me, because I am already a high risk patient from taking all the anti-psychotic and mood stabilizing meds. He says that adding exogenous estrogen in any form adds fuel to the fire, and may kill me. My primary care physician (OB/GYN) is on the fence, but advises me against it. My shrink says that there is an interaction between risperidone and estrogen, causing a significant rise in bad cholesterol levels, causing me to possibly have another heart attack.

The studies in the literature were done on women with "normal" heart function.
My heart function is not good.
So I must choose between being normal, but in danger of my heart going haywire on estrogen plus crazy meds, or slightly crazy, but my heart beating for a little while longer.

I have a bad brain AND a bad heart.
And I don't know what's worse.
XIII
Hi Ajay,
So far, I have taken nothing for my symptoms, not even supplements/vitamins. At the beginning, I became intolerant to many foods and vitamins made me poorly. The future is uncertain and if my symptoms continue to get worse over the next 18 months I shall consider HRT. I do get concerned when I hear ladies on this site saying that their worst problems started several years post. Now that is scary. I pray that I have nearly 'done my time' and that things will improve soon. ( 14 years and counting!)


Kind regards,


XIII smile.gif
Ajay
QUOTE (XIII @ Aug 19 2008, 12:38 PM) *
Hi Ajay,
So far, I have taken nothing for my symptoms, not even supplements/vitamins. At the beginning, I became intolerant to many foods and vitamins made me poorly. The future is uncertain and if my symptoms continue to get worse over the next 18 months I shall consider HRT. I do get concerned when I hear ladies on this site saying that their worst problems started several years post. Now that is scary. I pray that I have nearly 'done my time' and that things will improve soon. ( 14 years and counting!)


Kind regards,


XIII smile.gif


I agree with you! It is scary to think about how I will feel once I'm post. I refuse to take anything of an herbal nature because I don't trust the safety in those remedies....after having witnessed serious side effects in a friend of mine who had gone the herbal route. HRT is out of the question for now, but like you said, the future is uncertain so I don't know if I'll give in or not. I guess a lot depends on how I'm coping at the time. My mother went through meno and a hysterectomy without the help of hormones so we'll see how I do. For now I just hang on and pray like crazy! Bless you.
Juliann
Hi Ajay,

Thanks for this thread, it's interesting to read all of the ladies experiences. We are all so different, and yet so similar. I believe that peri/meno is a extremely difficult passage for many of us. The body changes, and we can FEEL all the changes happening. It seems to interfere with everything. Energy levels change, mental ability changes, digestion, sexuality and we try to tough it through.

I'm still not completely in menopause, I had a period after 8 months without. So far in my experience, the first few years of peri were the worst. But I did not tough it out, I just read up on treatment and dived into it for relief (I'm the impatient sort).

BHRT works for me, along with changing my diet to healthier nutrition, that has been a huge plus factor. I shed about 14lbs. My biggest goal now is to exercise and stretch. I have been REALLY struggling with soreness of my neck and lower back, however this is probably partially due to my work. I am a hairdresser and stand all day. Before peri, I could do it with no problem, now is a different story. I feel my age and how my body feels at the end of the day. So again, it forces me to do something about it.

I turned 50 this year, and feel better now then I did at 45. I've been on the BHRT for 2 years now. I still have hills and valleys, but I'm dealing better right now.

It's trial and error, I hope that you find what works best and that you feel some relief soon.

Juliann
arla
Hi Armadillo,
My sister is on resperidone and was cautioned by her cardiologist not to use estrogen as she has heart issues.
The resperidone has also made her tachycardia worse and her BP meds now don't seem to work as well.
Armadillo
QUOTE (arla @ Aug 19 2008, 10:48 PM) *
Hi Armadillo,
My sister is on resperidone and was cautioned by her cardiologist not to use estrogen as she has heart issues.
The resperidone has also made her tachycardia worse and her BP meds now don't seem to work as well.


Yes, sometimes life is a choice between a rock and a hard place.

Is your sister fit enough to exercise? If so, losing some fat and building some muscle can help lower her blood pressure naturally.
joyceveronica
QUOTE (Armadillo @ Aug 20 2008, 05:32 PM) *
Yes, sometimes life is a choice between a rock and a hard place.

Is your sister fit enough to exercise? If so, losing some fat and building some muscle can help lower her blood pressure naturally.

Hi Miss Amadillo
Choices Choices!Sometimes it is just best to go with the flow.I think I have been nuts all my life but must say that HRT-though synthetic+Prozac and anti anxiety meds have given me a semblance of outward normality.I know now that I will never know if I will have Post Menopaual Zest as it is being heavily sedated and kept in check.
The good news is that like you exercise is my key to keeping in check at least physically.Go to Gym three times a week and Yoga twice a week rest of time trying to get that perfectly Glade Polished look to Maison.Am five six and have been 115 pounds all my life partly due to tremendous acting skills and by eating only when hungry.Never deny myself treats but never eat after six o'clock in the evening.
I only know you through posts but you are razor sharp and doubt your memory or observational skills will ever let you down.
Bye for now
Take care
Elizabeth
joliejacq
Ajay,

Post is DEFINITELY better than peri... and yes, my last year of peri was when everything "hit the fan." I was a mess.

All peri symptoms have stopped now (almost 3 years post), except for the tendency toward depression. Strangely, I have little anxiety, just notice that when I try to get off Lexapro, I start sinking with fatigue, lack of concentration, the blues, lethargy, lack of interest in doing anything - classic signs of depression.

But no more hot flashes, night sweats, headaches, internal shaking, palps, ears ringing, nausea, adrenaline surges, insomnia, BLEEDING, cramps, sore breasts - in short, it's pretty darned good! smile.gif

I pray the mood stuff will improve in time, as then I truly will feel that I've regained my health.

(((HUGS)))

JJ
Ajay
QUOTE (joliejacq @ Aug 20 2008, 09:21 PM) *
Ajay,

Post is DEFINITELY better than peri... and yes, my last year of peri was when everything "hit the fan." I was a mess.

All peri symptoms have stopped now (almost 3 years post), except for the tendency toward depression. Strangely, I have little anxiety, just notice that when I try to get off Lexapro, I start sinking with fatigue, lack of concentration, the blues, lethargy, lack of interest in doing anything - classic signs of depression.

But no more hot flashes, night sweats, headaches, internal shaking, palps, ears ringing, nausea, adrenaline surges, insomnia, BLEEDING, cramps, sore breasts - in short, it's pretty darned good! smile.gif

I pray the mood stuff will improve in time, as then I truly will feel that I've regained my health.

(((HUGS)))

JJ


Hey there!!
Oh thank you for your reply! It's good to hear that you are feeling better for the most part! I have really been blasted with symptoms this past year. I saw my doc yesterday and he said that by looking at the pattern of my cycles and the symptoms that he thinks I am very very near the end. I certainly hope so. I'm ready for some relief, although I know the symptoms can hang on afterwards for a while. You are very encouraging!
(((HUGS BACK ATCHA!)))

Ajay
Sunny330
I just joined Power Surge today and this thread really caught my interest. I first had peri symptoms in 1996, at age 39. My last period was July 28, 2002 (yup, I'll always remember THAT date!). So we're talking 12 years and counting. When's it all gonna end?? I ask myself this every single day. Post has been an absolute MONSTER compared to peri. The hot flashes and night sweats have been getting increasingly bad post (and here I thought they'd be going away soon - stupid me!). The worst times yet started almost 5 years after my last period, when I started getting relentless palps and brain drain.

What scares me is the amount of messages I've seen today while skimming these boards that say the symptoms will get better when you go post and your hormones balance out. Well geez, I've been post for 6 years and I'm only getting worse. I'm beginning to worry that I'll never feel better again. I've tried soy, black cohosh and other supplements, plus lots of walking, but nothing really worked. I didn't want to, but I'm beginning to consider HRT.

Anyway, thank you for letting me whine. It's good to know I'm not alone.

Sue
arla
Hi Armadillo,

I approached my sister with this exercise suggestion but she didn't seem very receptive to it. Hopefully with a little prodding I'll be able to get her to at least walk with me. You're right BP meds aren't the best for you. I have been weaned off of one of mine and am working on the second. I definitely feel better.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Arla.
joyceveronica
QUOTE (Sunny330 @ Sep 2 2008, 05:26 AM) *
I just joined Power Surge today and this thread really caught my interest. I first had peri symptoms in 1996, at age 39. My last period was July 28, 2002 (yup, I'll always remember THAT date!). So we're talking 12 years and counting. When's it all gonna end?? I ask myself this every single day. Post has been an absolute MONSTER compared to peri. The hot flashes and night sweats have been getting increasingly bad post (and here I thought they'd be going away soon - stupid me!). The worst times yet started almost 5 years after my last period, when I started getting relentless palps and brain drain.

What scares me is the amount of messages I've seen today while skimming these boards that say the symptoms will get better when you go post and your hormones balance out. Well geez, I've been post for 6 years and I'm only getting worse. I'm beginning to worry that I'll never feel better again. I've tried soy, black cohosh and other supplements, plus lots of walking, but nothing really worked. I didn't want to, but I'm beginning to consider HRT.

Anyway, thank you for letting me whine. It's good to know I'm not alone.

Sue

Welcome Sunny 330
And it sure is hot and sunny in The Middle East where I live.Temperatures at an all time high and even with my HRT can barely tolerate.I did try to wean off HRT and do the whole natural thing.Total disaster!Between night,day sweats and anxiety and depression got back on those "Babies" and will be staying on forever.I even upped the dose,in collaboration with my Gyno.who although male is very understanding.
I have six monthly check ups and so far so good.Go the Gym and do Yoga.Still have some "Fuzzy Days" but can't complain cmpared to many who are really suffering.Some may say I have chosen the easy way out but I don't think that way.My body ran out of estrogen far too early and am just putting it back again.
However,each lady is different and I know many that are Post and doing really well.I think we have to be vigilant about our bodies and do what feels right and safe for us.
I hope you will continue to let us know how you are doing.
And wish you all the best.
Elizabeth
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