Hello everyone
In case some of you don't know me I am Lindy.. I have been lurking around here for a while now and am an "On and Off" Adult Eductation Tutor/Nutritionist...
I have an Evening course to teach called "Coping with the Menopause Naturally" booked to run in September at our local College. (sorry.. I'm in the Uk you can't come!)
I am 100% not sure if it will run this year as the courses are expensive so it's getting enough people to book.. but I will be running somewhere soon anyway... and as it is July I need to think about planning it out.....
I have all of the the normal "book" information and my own knowledge and experience but some input from you guys would be great!
If you were going to be on a 10 week evening class on Coping with the Menopause Naturally what would you like to be covered?
What "natural" things have you tried to help with Peri/meno/post symptoms? did they help?
Do you have any personal experiences/stories I could use?
Thanxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HUGS Lindy xxxx
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Hi there Lindy,
It is nice to see some effort being put into the care of menopausal ladies. It is a great pity that the Government do not recognise this as a priority area. How short sighted they are!
I have worked in and around the health services for much of my life, so I am great with health issues, pharmacology, nutrition etc but now I am facing menopause head on. My knowledge base and life experience should have prepared me for all this but it didn't. It doesn't help that I am one of the poor unfortunate souls in whom hormones create absolute havoc. I have been heavily involved in the research world so I know how to research topics and interpret data. I hate to be a party pooper but my conclusions at the moment are that menopause is menopause. It is a journey that must be endured and each woman enters it with a completely different set of circumstances. At 50 years old many women will have huge amounts of baggage both mental and physical. Added to this, today's world is a demanding and hostile place. Menopause will eek out the weaknesses and cause mayhem.
Most well educated women today have a good handle on what constitutes a good diet and as long as they do not have a serious flaw in their diet, I think that they should be left alone to manage their own intake. I do get angry when I see women who are feeling poorly at menopause accused of consuming too little water or being made to worry about tiny amounts of caffeine in their diet. I am all for eating healthily but giving menopausal woman false hope that changes in diet will somehow sidetrack menopause, I feel is wrong. Many feel guilty enough at this point in their lives, beating them up over food is cruel. I can understand that during your course it would be helpful to attempt to optimise the quality of diet for general health but that is all. There have been many fads and fantasies over miracle cures for menopausal symptoms but they tend to come and go like fashion. For instance Black Cohosh was feited as a miracle cure for hot flashes and got quite a following but it has recently been implicated in liver damage. Placebo effect can be very powerful so if women feel that a certain food consumed in moderation improves their life, good for them. Any positives are helpful.
The most important aspect of a course like yours is that you bring women together, at this stage of life, creating a safe place where they can discuss their experiences and fears. That is why Power Surge is so successful.
It is painfully clear from this site that the Medical Profession are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to menopausal issues and scores of women flounder, horribly lost in a sea of bewildering symptoms. Most of the ladies actually do not need to see a doctor but where are they supposed to go, when the going gets tough?
I wish you great success with your course!
Regards,
XIII
It is nice to see some effort being put into the care of menopausal ladies. It is a great pity that the Government do not recognise this as a priority area. How short sighted they are!
I have worked in and around the health services for much of my life, so I am great with health issues, pharmacology, nutrition etc but now I am facing menopause head on. My knowledge base and life experience should have prepared me for all this but it didn't. It doesn't help that I am one of the poor unfortunate souls in whom hormones create absolute havoc. I have been heavily involved in the research world so I know how to research topics and interpret data. I hate to be a party pooper but my conclusions at the moment are that menopause is menopause. It is a journey that must be endured and each woman enters it with a completely different set of circumstances. At 50 years old many women will have huge amounts of baggage both mental and physical. Added to this, today's world is a demanding and hostile place. Menopause will eek out the weaknesses and cause mayhem.
Most well educated women today have a good handle on what constitutes a good diet and as long as they do not have a serious flaw in their diet, I think that they should be left alone to manage their own intake. I do get angry when I see women who are feeling poorly at menopause accused of consuming too little water or being made to worry about tiny amounts of caffeine in their diet. I am all for eating healthily but giving menopausal woman false hope that changes in diet will somehow sidetrack menopause, I feel is wrong. Many feel guilty enough at this point in their lives, beating them up over food is cruel. I can understand that during your course it would be helpful to attempt to optimise the quality of diet for general health but that is all. There have been many fads and fantasies over miracle cures for menopausal symptoms but they tend to come and go like fashion. For instance Black Cohosh was feited as a miracle cure for hot flashes and got quite a following but it has recently been implicated in liver damage. Placebo effect can be very powerful so if women feel that a certain food consumed in moderation improves their life, good for them. Any positives are helpful.
The most important aspect of a course like yours is that you bring women together, at this stage of life, creating a safe place where they can discuss their experiences and fears. That is why Power Surge is so successful.
It is painfully clear from this site that the Medical Profession are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to menopausal issues and scores of women flounder, horribly lost in a sea of bewildering symptoms. Most of the ladies actually do not need to see a doctor but where are they supposed to go, when the going gets tough?
I wish you great success with your course!
Regards,
XIII
QUOTE (LindyD @ Jul 15 2008, 05:01 AM) 
If you were going to be on a 10 week evening class on Coping with the Menopause Naturally what would you like to be covered?
Hmm....
1. How to keep from killing others during an episode of rage.
2. How to inform my doctor that I know more than he does about menopause.
3. How to find Power-Surge online!
Just teasing, obviously! But I do think it's essential that you give people the Power-Surge link!
It's so awesome that you're doing this, BTW!
(((HUGS)))
JJ
QUOTE (XIII @ Jul 15 2008, 11:07 AM)
Most well educated women today have a good handle on what constitutes a good diet and as long as they do not have a serious flaw in their diet, I think that they should be left alone to manage their own intake. I do get angry when I see women who are feeling poorly at menopause accused of consuming too little water or being made to worry about tiny amounts of caffeine in their diet. I am all for eating healthily but giving menopausal woman false hope that changes in diet will somehow sidetrack menopause, I feel is wrong. Many feel guilty enough at this point in their lives, beating them up over food is cruel. I can understand that during your course it would be helpful to attempt to optimise the quality of diet for general health but that is all. There have been many fads and fantasies over miracle cures for menopausal symptoms but they tend to come and go like fashion. For instance Black Cohosh was feited as a miracle cure for hot flashes and got quite a following but it has recently been implicated in liver damage. Placebo effect can be very powerful so if women feel that a certain food consumed in moderation improves their life, good for them.
Hi XIII
Unfortunately although many are, not all women are "well educated" and from my previous Evening courses I have found that there are a lot of people out there without a "good handle" on what a "good diet" is and who are interested to learn to improve their health.
When I run courses they are not inflicted on people.. they choose and pay good money to come along as they wish to learn and be helped...
I agree that everyone has free choice and should be able to be "left alone" if they want to be but when people sign up for an evening class like this one it is because they are seeking help and advice...
I disagree stongly with your opionion about Nutrition being just a "placebo" having now studied Nutritional Therapy I understand what a powerful tool good Nutriton can be and the effect that poor nutrition can have on the body and mind....but that is a long story.....
Unfortunately food is much much more than a fuel for most people.. it is a comfort, a crutch, and a real pleasure, so it is not surprising when people become emotional when it is suggested to them that something that is so important to them emotionally may be affecting their health and wellbeing. In a way it is a bit like a smoker.. they are in denial because they don't want to change.. they will only change their habits when they are ready and there is a good reason. Unfortunately this is when poor health is already becoming apparent....
I guess you are from the "take the drugs" school of thought.. that's fine we all have free choice..... I just happen to be from the "natural" camp! We will have to agree to disagree!
Now has anyone else got any suggestions about Natural ways you have helped yourself to cope with the menopause.. surely everyone is not on HRT? How about the L-theanine? how are the ones taking it doing?
My course isn't just about Nutrition, it is about lifestyle, coping emotionally, coping with the physical changes, relationships etc etc etc.
HUGS Lindy xxx
Quote:I guess you are from the "take the drugs" school of thought.. that's fine we all have free choice..... I just happen to be from the "natural" camp! We will have to agree to disagree! Quote
I think by saying take the drugs school of thought and natural camp, you are giving only 2 choices.
Why? should we have to change anything about our lives?
Menopause is something we have to go through, whether we take this or that, in the end it will make no difference.
I view the more natural aproach is to do nothing, get yourself checked out, yes, if sypmtoms are worrying but in the end it will and does pass, whether you take everything under the sun or do nothing at all.
I don't know why it should be a time to change our lives, if we are perfectly happy with the way our lives are.
If something can ease our symptoms, whether prescribed or herbal, then fine, but doing nothing at all is a very good third choice and I would call this the natural way.
I know a lot of us need help during this time,and sadly don't get the right help from our GP's etc but nutrition and poor health due to diet in this country is a falicy. Why are people living longer?
I do despair of all the media coverage given to this.
I think most folk know themselves the difference between a great big cream cake or some fruit, it is their choice.
At least we are not starving to death in this country.
I don't think the answer you have given to XIII is fair, you are supposing she is taking HRT. Is HRT a dirty word in your book?
I wish you good luck with your course, but don't forget all the ladies spending ££££'s on this and that will still probably fair the same as those who are spending nothing at all.
I think the best advice anyone can give for this time in our lives is.......
'Hang on tight you are in for a rough ride but do what you can to make it more comfortable for yourself by finding out all the information you can and taking the choices which suits you'.
There is also lots of free information out there.
reagrds
Carolineuk.
I think by saying take the drugs school of thought and natural camp, you are giving only 2 choices.
Why? should we have to change anything about our lives?
Menopause is something we have to go through, whether we take this or that, in the end it will make no difference.
I view the more natural aproach is to do nothing, get yourself checked out, yes, if sypmtoms are worrying but in the end it will and does pass, whether you take everything under the sun or do nothing at all.
I don't know why it should be a time to change our lives, if we are perfectly happy with the way our lives are.
If something can ease our symptoms, whether prescribed or herbal, then fine, but doing nothing at all is a very good third choice and I would call this the natural way.
I know a lot of us need help during this time,and sadly don't get the right help from our GP's etc but nutrition and poor health due to diet in this country is a falicy. Why are people living longer?
I do despair of all the media coverage given to this.
I think most folk know themselves the difference between a great big cream cake or some fruit, it is their choice.
At least we are not starving to death in this country.
I don't think the answer you have given to XIII is fair, you are supposing she is taking HRT. Is HRT a dirty word in your book?
I wish you good luck with your course, but don't forget all the ladies spending ££££'s on this and that will still probably fair the same as those who are spending nothing at all.
I think the best advice anyone can give for this time in our lives is.......
'Hang on tight you are in for a rough ride but do what you can to make it more comfortable for yourself by finding out all the information you can and taking the choices which suits you'.
There is also lots of free information out there.
reagrds
Carolineuk.
Oh by the way
I could tell you how my diet is affecting my menopause for a fee.
I do think this is only fair beings that you want to use this information for your course which you are charging for.
I find this not very good research as you can't back up any of what people say by hard facts, for instance I could say,
I eat a dandelion everyday and feel great.
Would you then pass this on....... I hope not.
Please do not treat menaopusal woman as gullable, and don't ask for help, then be rude to people who answer your post when they disagree with you.
Caroline.
I could tell you how my diet is affecting my menopause for a fee.
I do think this is only fair beings that you want to use this information for your course which you are charging for.
I find this not very good research as you can't back up any of what people say by hard facts, for instance I could say,
I eat a dandelion everyday and feel great.
Would you then pass this on....... I hope not.
Please do not treat menaopusal woman as gullable, and don't ask for help, then be rude to people who answer your post when they disagree with you.
Caroline.
Most well educated women today have a good handle on what constitutes a good diet and as long as they do not have a serious flaw in their diet, I think that they should be left alone to manage their own intake. I do get angry when I see women who are feeling poorly at menopause accused of consuming too little water or being made to worry about tiny amounts of caffeine in their diet. I am all for eating healthily but giving menopausal woman false hope that changes in diet will somehow sidetrack menopause, I feel is wrong. Many feel guilty enough at this point in their lives, beating them up over food is cruel. I can understand that during your course it would be helpful to attempt to optimise the quality of diet for general health but that is all. There have been many fads and fantasies over miracle cures for menopausal symptoms but they tend to come and go like fashion. For instance Black Cohosh was feited as a miracle cure for hot flashes and got quite a following but it has recently been implicated in liver damage. Placebo effect can be very powerful so if women feel that a certain food consumed in moderation improves their life, good for them.
Hi XIII
Unfortunately although many are, not all women are "well educated" and from my previous Evening courses I have found that there are a lot of people out there without a "good handle" on what a "good diet" is and who are interested to learn to improve their health.
When I run courses they are not inflicted on people.. they choose and pay good money to come along as they wish to learn and be helped...
I agree that everyone has free choice and should be able to be "left alone" if they want to be but when people sign up for an evening class like this one it is because they are seeking help and advice...
I disagree stongly with your opionion about Nutrition being just a "placebo" having now studied Nutritional Therapy I understand what a powerful tool good Nutriton can be and the effect that poor nutrition can have on the body and mind....but that is a long story.....
Unfortunately food is much much more than a fuel for most people.. it is a comfort, a crutch, and a real pleasure, so it is not surprising when people become emotional when it is suggested to them that something that is so important to them emotionally may be affecting their health and wellbeing. In a way it is a bit like a smoker.. they are in denial because they don't want to change.. they will only change their habits when they are ready and there is a good reason. Unfortunately this is when poor health is already becoming apparent....
I guess you are from the "take the drugs" school of thought.. that's fine we all have free choice..... I just happen to be from the "natural" camp! We will have to agree to disagree!
Now has anyone else got any suggestions about Natural ways you have helped yourself to cope with the menopause.. surely everyone is not on HRT? How about the L-theanine? how are the ones taking it doing?
My course isn't just about Nutrition, it is about lifestyle, coping emotionally, coping with the physical changes, relationships etc etc etc.
HUGS Lindy xxx
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Hi Lindy,
I must admit to being somewhat surprised at the way you have completely misinterpreted my post and in such a defensive manner.
In a nutshell, my post stated that optimum diet is everything. I should know I have been involved in nutritional research at the highest level. Why does that differ from your philosophy?
My point is that we must be careful not to offer glib solutions to some of the more severe menopausal difficulties purely by manipulating diet. I stated very very clearly that if certain dietary changes made women feel better I supported their use. As a researcher I would need to see very clear statistical evidence that changes in diet could control menopausal psychosis for instance. And as for the suggestion that I am a person who would recommend drugs to anyone as opposed to a natural remedy, that is so far from the truth it becomes farsical. I was in charge of the Clinical Pharmacology unit for one of Britain's largest drug companies and avoid drugs like the plague. All the surge sisters here, know of my mistrust of drugs but they also know that I understand fully when they need to take them to survive.
I can also tell you that I have a superb diet, which has helped with general health but not with menopausal symptoms.
I try to see the menopausal world from its many complex angles, seeing it one dimentionally is a real pitfall.
I will not disect the post any further, it is not in my nature to be nasty and I will say once again, I wish you every success with your course and hope it is a great success.
Regards,
XIII
PS. The best natural remedy for my symptoms has been to walk with my dog for between 2-3 hours a day.
Hi XIII
Unfortunately although many are, not all women are "well educated" and from my previous Evening courses I have found that there are a lot of people out there without a "good handle" on what a "good diet" is and who are interested to learn to improve their health.
When I run courses they are not inflicted on people.. they choose and pay good money to come along as they wish to learn and be helped...
I agree that everyone has free choice and should be able to be "left alone" if they want to be but when people sign up for an evening class like this one it is because they are seeking help and advice...
I disagree stongly with your opionion about Nutrition being just a "placebo" having now studied Nutritional Therapy I understand what a powerful tool good Nutriton can be and the effect that poor nutrition can have on the body and mind....but that is a long story.....
Unfortunately food is much much more than a fuel for most people.. it is a comfort, a crutch, and a real pleasure, so it is not surprising when people become emotional when it is suggested to them that something that is so important to them emotionally may be affecting their health and wellbeing. In a way it is a bit like a smoker.. they are in denial because they don't want to change.. they will only change their habits when they are ready and there is a good reason. Unfortunately this is when poor health is already becoming apparent....
I guess you are from the "take the drugs" school of thought.. that's fine we all have free choice..... I just happen to be from the "natural" camp! We will have to agree to disagree!
Now has anyone else got any suggestions about Natural ways you have helped yourself to cope with the menopause.. surely everyone is not on HRT? How about the L-theanine? how are the ones taking it doing?
My course isn't just about Nutrition, it is about lifestyle, coping emotionally, coping with the physical changes, relationships etc etc etc.
HUGS Lindy xxx
[/quote]
Hi Lindy,
I must admit to being somewhat surprised at the way you have completely misinterpreted my post and in such a defensive manner.
In a nutshell, my post stated that optimum diet is everything. I should know I have been involved in nutritional research at the highest level. Why does that differ from your philosophy?
My point is that we must be careful not to offer glib solutions to some of the more severe menopausal difficulties purely by manipulating diet. I stated very very clearly that if certain dietary changes made women feel better I supported their use. As a researcher I would need to see very clear statistical evidence that changes in diet could control menopausal psychosis for instance. And as for the suggestion that I am a person who would recommend drugs to anyone as opposed to a natural remedy, that is so far from the truth it becomes farsical. I was in charge of the Clinical Pharmacology unit for one of Britain's largest drug companies and avoid drugs like the plague. All the surge sisters here, know of my mistrust of drugs but they also know that I understand fully when they need to take them to survive.
I can also tell you that I have a superb diet, which has helped with general health but not with menopausal symptoms.
I try to see the menopausal world from its many complex angles, seeing it one dimentionally is a real pitfall.
I will not disect the post any further, it is not in my nature to be nasty and I will say once again, I wish you every success with your course and hope it is a great success.
Regards,
XIII
PS. The best natural remedy for my symptoms has been to walk with my dog for between 2-3 hours a day.
Hmmm.....
Back to my recommended lesson #1:
How to keep from killing others while in a rage.
Okay, ducking now!
JJ
Back to my recommended lesson #1:
How to keep from killing others while in a rage.
Okay, ducking now!
JJ
Wow, this has gotten much more heated than I am sure Lindy ever wanted!
Lindy, please let me say I think what you are doing is fab! To educated women about menopause is a much needed service. I think it is wonderful you are going to teach women some natural solutions.
That being said, please don't close the door to people who require medical intervention. I am one of them!! You and I are friends and I am not going to say anything to offend you (I hope), but for some of us there just isn't any natural solutions. I was so messed up eating was not an option!! I starved myself, and not on purpose either...I literally couldn't eat. So any nutritional therapy couldn't have worked for me. Obviously not everyone is going to experience these symptoms but keep an eye open for those that suffer badly enough to need medical help.
I have, however, used L-Theanine in place of Ativan, as my ADs and hormones started to work. L-T is great for low level anixety for a lot of people. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for a lot of people. I would recommend it, and have here on PS, to anyone who is feeling anxious.
Good luck, I hope your course is hugely successful!!
Hugs
Lindy, please let me say I think what you are doing is fab! To educated women about menopause is a much needed service. I think it is wonderful you are going to teach women some natural solutions.
That being said, please don't close the door to people who require medical intervention. I am one of them!! You and I are friends and I am not going to say anything to offend you (I hope), but for some of us there just isn't any natural solutions. I was so messed up eating was not an option!! I starved myself, and not on purpose either...I literally couldn't eat. So any nutritional therapy couldn't have worked for me. Obviously not everyone is going to experience these symptoms but keep an eye open for those that suffer badly enough to need medical help.
I have, however, used L-Theanine in place of Ativan, as my ADs and hormones started to work. L-T is great for low level anixety for a lot of people. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for a lot of people. I would recommend it, and have here on PS, to anyone who is feeling anxious.
Good luck, I hope your course is hugely successful!!
Hugs
I'm a vegetarian and eat a tons of fruit and veg, drink plenty, etc, etc. I also play tennis and am very active, I'm slim and fit.
But I lived through a year of hell and all the fruit in the world didn't change that.
The anxiety was so bad I couldn't eat and lost a load of weight. I couldn't play tennis or even go out because of dizziness, nausea, panic attacks and fainting.
I had to take a tranquillizer.
Did take Remifemin for the flushes which did help, though!
I agree with Floater, don't close the door on medication and please don't make people who do have to pop a pill feel guilty! Sometimes there is no option.
I wish I'd given in and taken medication sooner!
I have a friend who's lifestyle and diet are the exact opposite of mine and she's breezing through meno!
I really don't know if there's a correlation between diet and nutrition, I sometimes wonder.
I'm not saying that a healthy diet isn't important!
The one most important thing you could do - point everyone to PowerSurge!
Hugs, Jonie
But I lived through a year of hell and all the fruit in the world didn't change that.
The anxiety was so bad I couldn't eat and lost a load of weight. I couldn't play tennis or even go out because of dizziness, nausea, panic attacks and fainting.
I had to take a tranquillizer.
Did take Remifemin for the flushes which did help, though!
I agree with Floater, don't close the door on medication and please don't make people who do have to pop a pill feel guilty! Sometimes there is no option.
I wish I'd given in and taken medication sooner!
I have a friend who's lifestyle and diet are the exact opposite of mine and she's breezing through meno!
I really don't know if there's a correlation between diet and nutrition, I sometimes wonder.
I'm not saying that a healthy diet isn't important!
The one most important thing you could do - point everyone to PowerSurge!
Hugs, Jonie
sorry - correlation between meno-symptoms and nutrition - that was meant to be!
Ok..
I have obviously touched some nerves here...
I put my request for help into the Natural Relaxation and Therapies Forum as I was requesting help from the ladies who had used some Natural Remedies/Techniques and had found them helpful.....
What I had not expected was to be "put down" by the ladies who have felt the need to take prescription drugs and HRT for their symptoms.
For instance I tool soya isoflavones during peri and found them to be really helpful.....that was the kind of response I was expecting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no problem with people taking drugs.. I take daily antihistamines for my sensitivities/intolerances as at the moment they are the only thing that work.. I do not feel weak or ashamed of taking them. I am however looking at other ways of controlling my symptoms (diet etc) as I really hate taking anything "chemical" if there is a more "natural" approach.... we all live our lives as we feel is best for us as individuals....
My course is not intended to make people feel guilty about taking HRT or drugs!!!
It is entitled "Coping with the Menopause the Natural Way".... the aim of the course is to help ladies who WANT to look at a more "natural" approach to the alleviating the symptoms of Menopause...not to "change" people or "inflict" my views on others.... the ladies who book on the course will be asking for this kind of information....
As no-one has replied with any helpful suggestions I will now consider this thread closed.....I really don't want it to degenerate into a discussion on "who is right here"..
I am now Post....I have been there..done that........I am just trying to use my own Meno experience and training to help others.......and I had hoped that some people here would be interested in helping.....I am sorry that some people here felt the need to put me down...........
Lindy xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have obviously touched some nerves here...
I put my request for help into the Natural Relaxation and Therapies Forum as I was requesting help from the ladies who had used some Natural Remedies/Techniques and had found them helpful.....
What I had not expected was to be "put down" by the ladies who have felt the need to take prescription drugs and HRT for their symptoms.
For instance I tool soya isoflavones during peri and found them to be really helpful.....that was the kind of response I was expecting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no problem with people taking drugs.. I take daily antihistamines for my sensitivities/intolerances as at the moment they are the only thing that work.. I do not feel weak or ashamed of taking them. I am however looking at other ways of controlling my symptoms (diet etc) as I really hate taking anything "chemical" if there is a more "natural" approach.... we all live our lives as we feel is best for us as individuals....
My course is not intended to make people feel guilty about taking HRT or drugs!!!
It is entitled "Coping with the Menopause the Natural Way".... the aim of the course is to help ladies who WANT to look at a more "natural" approach to the alleviating the symptoms of Menopause...not to "change" people or "inflict" my views on others.... the ladies who book on the course will be asking for this kind of information....
As no-one has replied with any helpful suggestions I will now consider this thread closed.....I really don't want it to degenerate into a discussion on "who is right here"..
I am now Post....I have been there..done that........I am just trying to use my own Meno experience and training to help others.......and I had hoped that some people here would be interested in helping.....I am sorry that some people here felt the need to put me down...........
Lindy xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Lindy,
I would never put you down. I think it is fantastic that you are offering this course. I believe many people will benefit from it. I recall us discussing this way back when it was just a twinkle in your eye. It is so cool to see it is finally coming to fruition. Congratulations Lindy, for going through with it!! I am proud of you!!
Hugs!!
I would never put you down. I think it is fantastic that you are offering this course. I believe many people will benefit from it. I recall us discussing this way back when it was just a twinkle in your eye. It is so cool to see it is finally coming to fruition. Congratulations Lindy, for going through with it!! I am proud of you!!
Hugs!!
Lindy - so sorry if my post sounded harsh and hurt you. That was certainly not my intention!
In the past people have been put down for taking pills - probably some of us are rather defensive because of that.
I wish more courses like yours were on offer!
Hugs, Jonie
In the past people have been put down for taking pills - probably some of us are rather defensive because of that.
I wish more courses like yours were on offer!
Hugs, Jonie
well.. i'm one of those people that some take offence at here, as i am doing my meno as naturally as i can.. i have been on the receiving end of this same sort of defensive aggression before on this site.. i've even been told i shouldn't be on this site, as i am obviously not suffering enough!!!
i take Blackmore's Phytolife, it's a soy extract, and combined with Evening Primrose Oil (the caps have fish oil in them too), i have found my hot flushes are less frequent and less intense.. since i have been taking these, my husband has commented that my moods seem more even, i sleep through the night, and i feel so much better! i eat tofu, and drink soy milk also.. altho, not as much now that i am taking the Phytolife..
i have tried black cohosh (Remifemin) and red clover (Promensil) - neither seemed to have the effect the Phytolife has for me.. both made me even moodier..
Lindy.. i hope you read this! i did not see it earlier.. don't be put off by the defensive attitudes of some... there are more of us trying to do meno naturally too, only maybe they have been put off by the prevailing attitude too..
i take Blackmore's Phytolife, it's a soy extract, and combined with Evening Primrose Oil (the caps have fish oil in them too), i have found my hot flushes are less frequent and less intense.. since i have been taking these, my husband has commented that my moods seem more even, i sleep through the night, and i feel so much better! i eat tofu, and drink soy milk also.. altho, not as much now that i am taking the Phytolife..
i have tried black cohosh (Remifemin) and red clover (Promensil) - neither seemed to have the effect the Phytolife has for me.. both made me even moodier..
Lindy.. i hope you read this! i did not see it earlier.. don't be put off by the defensive attitudes of some... there are more of us trying to do meno naturally too, only maybe they have been put off by the prevailing attitude too..
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What I had not expected was to be "put down" by the ladies who have felt the need to take prescription drugs and HRT for their symptoms.
Lindy, I think you are turning tables round and making yourself the victim. No one put you down at all!. I am post too, so I no longer have all that anger but I thought your reply to XIII was plainly rude. I've been coming to this site for years and still do and the only things that ruffle feathers is politics!
Menopausal women already feel invisible and treated as though they have no opinions, so don't shoot down people for having theirs. I never took HRT, I used over the counter menopausal tablets. I tried loads of things, some worked for a while but not all the time.
If you run a class, I hope it will be a coming together of minds. Ideas to share. Not a "My way is the only way", which we can get from UK doctors for free. Otherwise you'll be rubbing a lot of ladies up the wrong way who won't bother to turn up for the next class.
Quote; What I had not expected was to be "put down" by the ladies who have felt the need to take prescription drugs and HRT for their symptoms. Quote;
The above is what I was objecting too, and again you have presumed that we are on prescription drugs by saying it again.
This makes me very angry.
I am not raging either, just trying to point out to you how rude you were to XIII and your attitude in presuming that anyone who disagrees with you are on prescription drugs.
I am not saying which is the right or wrong way to go, we all have to make out own choices but no-one can recommend anything to anyone else without the facts and figures to back it up. Heresay can not and should not be the way to go.
Good luck on your course but even better good luck in your research.
regards
Caroline
The above is what I was objecting too, and again you have presumed that we are on prescription drugs by saying it again.
This makes me very angry.
I am not raging either, just trying to point out to you how rude you were to XIII and your attitude in presuming that anyone who disagrees with you are on prescription drugs.
I am not saying which is the right or wrong way to go, we all have to make out own choices but no-one can recommend anything to anyone else without the facts and figures to back it up. Heresay can not and should not be the way to go.
Good luck on your course but even better good luck in your research.
regards
Caroline
The point is ladies, Lindy was looking for ideas from women who have chosen the "natural" route, and have found some relief. She didn't start this thread to start a debate over whether you think her course is a good idea or not.
QUOTE (Floater @ Jul 16 2008, 03:51 PM)
The point is ladies, Lindy was looking for ideas from women who have chosen the "natural" route, and have found some relief. She didn't start this thread to start a debate over whether you think her course is a good idea or not.
Where is this debate?
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If you run a class, I hope it will be a coming together of minds. Ideas to share. Not a "My way is the only way", which we can get from UK doctors for free. Otherwise you'll be rubbing a lot of ladies up the wrong way who won't bother to turn up for the next class.
Where is the helpful natural remedy you have used that helped you with menopause? Which is all she asked for.
QUOTE (alice3 @ Jul 16 2008, 11:49 AM)
Where is this debate?
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QUOTE (Floater @ Jul 16 2008, 02:51 PM)
The point is ladies, Lindy was looking for ideas from women who have chosen the "natural" route, and have found some relief. She didn't start this thread to start a debate over whether you think her course is a good idea or not.
Thanks Floater..
If anyone reads my first post that is exactly what I asked.. I asked for help from those who had some useful "natural remedies" information not for a debate about drugs v natural remedies. The course is planned and will be running as it stands......the Title and the Information Sheet clearly explain that the course is for ladies who do not wish to go down the HRT route but wish to investigate alternative ways of helping themselves. There is plenty of advice available from doctors/nurses on HRT but here in the UK very little information on alternative remedies. When I was going through Meno I read lots of books but would have loved to have been able to join a supportive group of like minded ladies to learn more..
I ran a couple of 10 week courses for 50+ ladies (more general although Meno was one of the sessions) a while back and they all said that they had gained immensely from being a part a group of similar ladies .... everyone had a lot to contribute and everyone respects everyone elses views...and everyone stayed for the full 10 weeks!
I have been coming to this site for 9 months now and have been helped through a bad patch by some lovely ladies.. particularly Floater....thank you ladies!
I am now Post and through the "worst" so am no longer so in need of so much support... but have stayed around with the aim of replying to posts from newer ladies and giving any help/support I can....
I think what this thread has made me realise is that my time here has come to an end.. time to move on....I have enough going on in my life with health issues myself and ill husband without coming on here and getting upset .....
Please debate away all you like ladies.. I won't be here to read it........so no need to reply to me personally...
Lots of love to my Friends...
Floater.... I love you... I will reply to your PM ....
Lindy xxx
Well that is just lovely.
Lindy....I will miss you more than you know!!
Lindy....I will miss you more than you know!!
QUOTE (LindyD @ Jul 15 2008, 05:01 AM)
Do you have any personal experiences/stories I could use?
Thanxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HUGS Lindy xxxx
Thanxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HUGS Lindy xxxx
This got pretty wild!
I was all set to talk about my experience with diet and exercise, but I saw this thread too late.
Lindy, if you do decide to read this, I can respond by PM.
My experience is not a breakthrough remedy for complete hormonal balance and emotional stability, goodness knows, I am about as mentally unstable as you can get!! It is just what worked for me, and it is just old fashioned effort and sweat equity for the body. Did it cure menopause? No. But it gave me a goal, and something to strive for, to take my mind off things, and give me discipline.
Well, what an, um, "interesting" thread. Lindy's gone, so guess she won't read this, but I'd like to offer what kind of natural remedy has worked for me -- in dealing with the symptoms of anxiety and depression, that is. Exercise, like Armadillo mentioned, and meditation. I've used and still Ativan occasionally, but I'm amazed at how I'm able to achieve a balance in mood by meditating. I hope this helps someone! 
Wowie cowzowie,
Anywhoe
Jonie no I didnt think your post was rude at all my freind.
Red yes I totally agree my freind with what you offered
God bless you all,
Tinks
Anywhoe
Jonie no I didnt think your post was rude at all my freind.
Red yes I totally agree my freind with what you offered
God bless you all,
Tinks
Hi LindyD,
Wow your
post has ruffled a few feathers.
Some people just jump to conclusions when you have posted to ask people if they have taken natural products and what has helped.
I take Evening Primrose Oil Caplets, Fish Oil Caplets, Joint Care Caplets and Vitamin B Complex.
Ive noticed since taking the Evening Primrose and the Joint Care that my joints dont make the crunching sound when I bend down as much as they used to. The Vitamim B seem to give me more energy.
I wish you well with your Evening Courses in September.
Please dont leave Power-Surge. As Floater said you will be missed.
Your post was not ment to start a debate as WHAT is BEST NATURAL or DRUGS.
I understood that from your first post.
All the best and dont leave as too many people are going to miss you so so much.
Take Care From Deb
Wow your
post has ruffled a few feathers.
Some people just jump to conclusions when you have posted to ask people if they have taken natural products and what has helped.
I take Evening Primrose Oil Caplets, Fish Oil Caplets, Joint Care Caplets and Vitamin B Complex.
Ive noticed since taking the Evening Primrose and the Joint Care that my joints dont make the crunching sound when I bend down as much as they used to. The Vitamim B seem to give me more energy.
I wish you well with your Evening Courses in September.
Please dont leave Power-Surge. As Floater said you will be missed.
Your post was not ment to start a debate as WHAT is BEST NATURAL or DRUGS.
I understood that from your first post.
All the best and dont leave as too many people are going to miss you so so much.
Take Care From Deb
I have read and reread XIII's post many times and can only see what was asked for - a personal story of a menopausal experience.
Arla.
Arla.
QUOTE (Jonie @ Jul 16 2008, 09:31 AM)
I'm a vegetarian and eat a tons of fruit and veg, drink plenty, etc, etc. I also play tennis and am very active, I'm slim and fit.
But I lived through a year of hell and all the fruit in the world didn't change that.
The anxiety was so bad I couldn't eat and lost a load of weight. I couldn't play tennis or even go out because of dizziness, nausea, panic attacks and fainting.
I had to take a tranquillizer.
Did take Remifemin for the flushes which did help, though!
I agree with Floater, don't close the door on medication and please don't make people who do have to pop a pill feel guilty! Sometimes there is no option.
I wish I'd given in and taken medication sooner!
I have a friend who's lifestyle and diet are the exact opposite of mine and she's breezing through meno!
I really don't know if there's a correlation between diet and nutrition, I sometimes wonder.
I'm not saying that a healthy diet isn't important!
The one most important thing you could do - point everyone to PowerSurge!
Hugs, Jonie
But I lived through a year of hell and all the fruit in the world didn't change that.
The anxiety was so bad I couldn't eat and lost a load of weight. I couldn't play tennis or even go out because of dizziness, nausea, panic attacks and fainting.
I had to take a tranquillizer.
Did take Remifemin for the flushes which did help, though!
I agree with Floater, don't close the door on medication and please don't make people who do have to pop a pill feel guilty! Sometimes there is no option.
I wish I'd given in and taken medication sooner!
I have a friend who's lifestyle and diet are the exact opposite of mine and she's breezing through meno!
I really don't know if there's a correlation between diet and nutrition, I sometimes wonder.
I'm not saying that a healthy diet isn't important!
The one most important thing you could do - point everyone to PowerSurge!
Hugs, Jonie
More power to uou Jonie
Am very slim,exercise and eat a balanced diet.Never been to keen on sugary foods caffine etc but my Menopausal Hell was such that from the age of 39 when menopause kicked in was saved by ADs,anti anxiety and HRT.How hard I have tried to wean myself off to end up depressed,anxious,phobic,itchy head and just wanting to be alone.
Now at age 57 am still taking all my Meds and know would be dead without them.
in this country no-one talks about Menopause so felt delighted to find this site and discover that I am not insane or abnormal which secretly have felt for a long time.
Sometimes I look at my dear daughter and other lovely young girls and hope that by the time they too reach Menapause their will be far more scientific research and available affordable treatments.
Stay well
Elizabeth
Dang, I speeechless...
Came in here all ready to spill it...
*sigh*
Came in here all ready to spill it...
*sigh*
Hi, I only just stumbled upon this now! I am so sorry that it got somewhat heated and misunderstood. There is nothing worse in the world than being misunderstood. I know, I have been there. Please consider that the written word can get easily misinterpreted and feelings unnecessarily hurt. Geesh all the woman wanted was some information, and yet it was thought that she was some high and mighty natural woman. She prefers natural - that is her choice...just like others prefer help by HRT...that too is a choice.
PEACE
Suzanne
PEACE
Suzanne
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