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missy7777
Just as we suspected - an article today about a world wide study showing that people in their 40's show more signs of depression than any other time in their lives. It is a "U" shaped curve, and 40 is the peak. Uh huh - just around the time of PERIMENOPAUSE, eh??? Hmmmmmmm... rolleyes.gif I know it says men also account for the stats, but I just thought it was interesting being that so many of us here on these boards started getting these AWFUL symptoms of menopause around 40 (some a little earlier, some a little later). dry.gif

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Middle-age is truly depressing, study finds[size="3"][/size]
Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:04am EST

LONDON (Reuters) - Middle age is truly miserable, according to a study using data from 80 countries showing that depression is most common among men and women in their forties.

The British and U.S. researchers found that happiness for people ranging from Albania to Zimbabwe follows a U-shaped curve where life begins cheerful before turning tough during middle age and then returning to the joys of youth in the golden years.

Previous studies have shown that psychological well-being remained flat throughout life but the new findings to be published in the journal Social Science & Medicine suggest we are in for a topsy-turvy emotional ride.

"In a remarkably regular way throughout the world people slide down a U-shaped level of happiness and mental health throughout their lives," Andrew Oswald at Britain's Warwick University, who co-led the study, said on Tuesday.

The researchers analyzed data on depression, anxiety levels and general mental health and well-being taken from some 2 million people in 80 countries.

U-SHAPED PATTERN

For men and women the probability of depression slowly builds and then peaks when people are in their forties -- a similar pattern found in 72 countries ranging from Albania to Zimbabwe, the researchers said.

About eight nations -- mostly in the developing world -- did not follow the U-shaped pattern for happiness levels, Oswald and his colleague David Blanchflower of Dartmouth College in the United States wrote.

"It happens to men and women, to single and married people, to rich and poor, and to those with and without children," Oswald said. "Nobody knows why we see this consistency."

One possibility may be that people realize they won't achieve many of their aspirations at middle age, the researchers said.

Another reason could be that after seeing their fellow middle-aged peers begin to die, people begin to value their own remaining years and embrace life once more.

But the good news is that if people make it to aged 70 and are still physically fit, they are on average as happy and mentally healthy as a 20-year old.

"For the average persons in the modern world, the dip in mental health and happiness comes on slowly, not suddenly in a single year," Oswald said. "Only in their fifties do people emerge from this low period."
Armadillo
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"For the average persons in the modern world, the dip in mental health and happiness comes on slowly, not suddenly in a single year," Oswald said. "Only in their fifties do people emerge from this low period."


Looks like I'm off the curve on this study, too! My depression hit hard at age 50, and four years later, put me into a hospital. Oh, well. Better late than never!
slowbear
I thnk I know why the CONSISTENCY in the study........and it is called hormones!!!!!!!!!!!!! Men have declining hormones, too at that time of life.....wonder why THAT was not mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Floater
Well gals, at least we are in the worldwide majority!! We aren't freaks, we aren't weird, we aren't different, we ARE NORMAL!! Woohoo! That really should give us a sense of peace. It does me anyway. At least we know we will emerge out the otherside, happy!

Doesn't really make our journey that much easier...other than to know it will END!!

slowbear....I mean YA!! DUH, and they call themselves experts? Why didn't they mention hormonal changes in men and women??? I think that is a huge contributor! Whatever happened to that saying "Life begins at 40??" I think they need to change it to "Life begins at 50"!!!
Nancy56
Missy,

I started my symptoms late as it started for me at 51....sigh.

nancy
cindyluone
QUOTE (Floater @ Jan 29 2008, 08:53 PM) *
Well gals, at least we are in the worldwide majority!! We aren't freaks, we aren't weird, we aren't different, we ARE NORMAL!! Woohoo! That really should give us a sense of peace. It does me anyway. At least we know we will emerge out the otherside, happy!

Doesn't really make our journey that much easier...other than to know it will END!!

slowbear....I mean YA!! DUH, and they call themselves experts? Why didn't they mention hormonal changes in men and women??? I think that is a huge contributor! Whatever happened to that saying "Life begins at 40??" I think they need to change it to "Life begins at 50"!!!

Floater, You are right. They should change that saying to life begins at 50 because the 40's are rough. At least for a lot of us. I was hit with extreme anxiety and depression a few months ago at 45. I can't wait to hit 50--provided all these symptoms leave by then!!

Hope you got your basement painting finished.

Cindy
missy7777
QUOTE (slowbear @ Jan 29 2008, 07:33 PM) *
I thnk I know why the CONSISTENCY in the study........and it is called hormones!!!!!!!!!!!!! Men have declining hormones, too at that time of life.....wonder why THAT was not mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY! When will they EVER learn!! mad.gif I mean seriously, they should have way more required hours for physicians on how much hormones can affect one's LIFE and well being. They would also cut WAY down on healthcare costs if from the very beginning, physician's would recommend checking hormone levels when presented with our symptoms. How many of us on this board went through a MULTITUDE of tests trying to figure out what was wrong with us? CT scans, MRI, Balance Tests, Blood Tests, Spinal Taps, etc... I went to several physician's and NONE of them mentioned hormones whatsoever. It's like they think that menopause magical occurs overnight at a certain age. Women in their 30's can start experiencing perimenopause and they don't ever mention that. I suggested it a few times, and like I have heard from MANY women in here, the doctors says, "no, it couldn't possibly be hormone related because you are too young." dry.gif

I hope that when my kids are my age we have come WAY farther than where we are now on this whole issue of hormones, menopause, perimenopause, hormone therapy, etc... Women today are just needlessly suffering way too much and are scared to death because the don't know what is going on with their bodies. How many of us thought we were dying??

Sheesh...
zen
hmm... seems very strange hormones were not mentioned.. i never did go to doctors asking what was wrong with me, i knew it had to be this thing called menopause.. i had older women friends who told me about it, a doctor i trusted in my early 40's... i cannot understand how the medical profession can put blinkers on when it comes to menopausal women, no matter what stage of meno they are in. we don't all suddenly 'get better' in our 50's either...
Floater
Cindy, thanks for asking about the basement. I am ALMOST finished! It was a huge epic job. Since we lived here, we have never painted downstairs. The walls and all the baseboards and trim required HOURS of repair work and sanding. Not to mention all the taping...6 doorways in the hall!! It has been a much bigger undertaking than I first expected...and I HAD expected it to be BIG!! The plus side is, I can start to see it all coming together now..my colour choices turned out to be right on the money (and lord knows THAT doesn't always happen!!), not to mention that sense of accomplishment one gets on a job well done! I am down to bits and pieces now..touch ups, putting the room back together, etc.

missy, I couldn't agree with you more regarding hormones. I know now...looking back, I have been in peri since I was 37. I went through 3 years of hell, no having a slightest clue it was hormonal. I was treated with anti depressants after 18 months of barely being able to get out of bed. I attributed this to stress and depression...but I know now it wasn't. It was hormones. They did level off somewhat but I never felt as well again as I did before 37. And no one ever once suggested hormones...not even when I was 45 and having periods every 3 months!! It is hopeless!
missy7777
QUOTE (Floater @ Jan 30 2008, 03:13 AM) *
I know now...looking back, I have been in peri since I was 37. I went through 3 years of hell, no having a slightest clue it was hormonal.

YES! I started at that age as well! I have documents (blood tests, calendars) showing appointments with my OB/GYN back when I was 37/38 and I remember going to her and telling her "I just don't feel right. Something is going on hormonally". I even remember me telling her that I was taking Estroven to see if that helped me "feel better" and she said that I didn't need that, that I was too young to be "worried about hormones" and that it wasn't safe to take anything because of the breast cancer in my family. Then when it REALLY hit me hard (a little over a year ago when I was 39), I thought for sure I had some weird inner ear problem causing me such horrendous dizziness. I even made an appointment to see a special neurologist at UCLA medical center to see what my problem was. He said it was all migraine - all of my problems were migraine. Well, at least he was a little closer than the "Labyrinthitis" diagnosis. But I remember asking him point blank WHY, WHY would migraines hit me at this stage in my life when I have never had them before? And his only answer was, "We don't know why it happens to some people later in life". dry.gif

If any of these doctors (yes, including emergency room doctors that I saw in the middle of the night when I thought I was dying of some brain tumor) could have just simply suggested perimenopause or hormones, it would have saved me SO MUCH time, money, SANITY, and health.

And back to the topic at hand - the recent article that is now all over the news (I've seen it on two different TV news stations since I posted this message, plus heard it on the radio) - nobody is saying word one about hormones as the culprit. What do they think is the cause? Magical mid-life menacing fairy dust? mad.gif
lidge26
I saw this story too- no mention about hormones or anything physical. They pinpoint the magical misery age at 44. Mine was very close , but maybe a year or two past that- maybe I'm just a late bloomer ohmy.gif

The story I saw said that this misery comes from realizing that we were not going to be the person we thought - or do the things we thought we would, when we were younger. Their solution to these blues- make a phone message saying how great life is and play it back when you are down! Now THAT makes me laugh! laugh.gif - NOT! mad.gif
missy7777
QUOTE (lidge26 @ Jan 30 2008, 01:47 PM) *
The story I saw said that this misery comes from realizing that we were not going to be the person we thought - or do the things we thought we would, when we were younger. Their solution to these blues- make a phone message saying how great life is and play it back when you are down! Now THAT makes me laugh! laugh.gif - NOT! mad.gif

OMG - you have GOT to be kidding! How pathetic is that? Once again, whoever came up with the bright idea to play positive messages back to ourselves to resolve all of our problems was no doubt a HE. dry.gif
Snowmoon56
This study is being discuss on headlines news today, they say if you live to be 70, your feel as happy as a 20 y/o again.
They just blame it on us baby bloomers worrying about aging! Hormones in men or women is never mention!
slowbear
" Hormones in men or women is never mention!"

Honestly, how can a bunch of Ph.Ds be so stupid!
davinci817
QUOTE (missy7777 @ Jan 30 2008, 12:25 PM) *
Magical mid-life menacing fairy dust?

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Missy I think you have a better guess than my doctor!
Floater
QUOTE (missy7777 @ Jan 30 2008, 01:25 PM) *
Magical mid-life menacing fairy dust? mad.gif


smile.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Good one!! Do you have an antedote for that? I think I need it!!
Armadillo
QUOTE (slowbear @ Jan 30 2008, 06:43 PM) *
" Hormones in men or women is never mention!"

Honestly, how can a bunch of Ph.Ds be so stupid!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They may have some intelligence, but no common sense. In tis case, I think these researchers need to go back to grad school. It's like the blind men trying to explain the elephant. They are so caught up in their narrow hypothesis, they fail to see the big picture. Or in this case, they fail to see reality.
EveningPrimrose
I was reading this article a few days back and it's very interesting. I always question why these researchers/doctors fail to make the connection. I went to see my doctor on Tuesday and he told me that I couldn't be going through perimenopause and the average age is 50 -- This is the type of reply you will hear from the majority of doctors in this country. It is just typical. The way society view women is another obstacle that needs to be overcome and god only knows what they teach these medical students
in med school --- I am STILL waiting for my GP to comply with my requests to see a TSH specialist of my choosing. I've been very poilte and calmly assertive so far, but my patience is now wearing thin. There is nothing worse than battling the medical profession when you're feeling sick -- and I know many women are put in this position. Its not right and its certainly not fair. I view most doctors as poor incompetent idiots because thats what they are these days.

Sorry for the rant. I lost my respect and admiration for this profession a very long time ago.
EarthMother
QUOTE (EveningPrimrose @ Jan 31 2008, 11:12 AM) *
...Sorry for the rant. I lost my respect and admiration for this profession a very long time ago.


I think that's an essential step in regaining our power. How long have we believed in the omnipotence of the almighty medical degree? We allowed learned men to come in and take away our midwives who we were birthing with upright using nature and gravity only to be strapped down into a bed with our feet in the air so they could get a better view of what was going on and then wondering why we were having so much back pain? I'm being extreme of course, I value the advances in medicine and welcomed giving birth in a hospital setting with both my OB and my doula side by side. And now that I am entering the next phase of my womb it's so important to surround myself again with a cadra of specialists who can integrate our ancient wisdom and modern miracles.

I'm fortunate my doctors recognize that peri can start in your late 30's -- none of this one size 50 fits all. I love that you are being "polite and calmly assertive" EP, do continue to take the high road it helps them to see we are capable of being partners in our own health decisions. For each doctor we enlighten there will be dozens of women who he will see after us that will benefit from our perseverance.

We are paving the way.
Floater
EP & EM!

I just wanted to add that my mom, who started peri a long time ago, went to her doctor and she claimed he was doing the "patting her on the hand" thing, and not taking her concerns seriously. She decided to do her own research, and went to see him armed with reams of paper, supporting her position. Initially she was "indulged" by her doc. And eventually she figured out the best treatment for her....and then the doctor's WIFE hit menopause!!! biggrin.gif AFter THAT, he became a much different doctor!! Started respecting her decisions, and even asking her advice!

I learned my lesson from her, and approached my doctor armed with information also, and exactly I wanted to try! And so far so good.

Gez...you stay calm and collected, but perhaps be a little more "insistent!!"
Floater
Oh, just wanted to add...EP....50 is the average age of menopause...it is a KNOWN fact that perimenopause can start 10 years before that!!!! How stupid is your doctor?
slowbear
[How stupid is your doctor?
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HA, that sounds like a lead in to a joke: My doctor is so stupid that............... biggrin.gif
EarthMother
I’ll take the bait slow bear (even though I am personally truly blessed with an amazing team of health care providers )…

My doctor is so stupid that … he thinks Perry Menapaws is a detective show on the BBC.
My doctor is so stupid that … he diagnosed me with alopecia when I pulled my hair out in frustration at his ignorance.
My doctor is so stupid that … he thought “night sweats” were exercise pants you wore at bed time.
My doctor is so stupid that … Lo Libido was a salsa band.
M doctor is so stupid that … he said all of my symptoms were in my head, and didn’t even think that my foot could move so fast out of the stirrups to knock him across the room.
Floater
EM!!

Thanks for the laugh!!! I am not having a good day and really REALLy needed a good laugh. So thanks for some comic relief!!
Jonie
Oh thanks EM for the giggle!
I'm also not feeling that great at the moment...
I found the following site a few days ago and it helped take my mind of myself!
Hope it puts a smile on your face!
icanhascheezburger. com/
Floater - you were doing so well, I do pray that this is only a very short bad spell!
Hugs to you brave ladies,
Jonie
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