oh ladies, this is insane! a little while ago, I had gotten very angry at my youngest son (who is 21) about something that we've talked about a million times! he's a wonderful young man, but sometimes, he can really get my goat. I had been feeling very anxious and afraid for about 2 hrs. because he wasn't home from work yet, and that's TOTALLY NOT HIM, plus, his car is not in good shape, and his brakes (he won't allow a mechanic to "touch" his car, oh no....ONLY HIM!), aren't working to well, so naturally I thought, oh God, he's been in an accident! Rem. this isn't him to do this, which is why i became so frightened!
OK, so for about 2 hr.s i was walking around not knowing, fearing the worst. Finally he came home, and all was fine, he had stopped off at a friends house, and had his ph. turned off, so even though I had called him, it didn't go through. Well, I was so panicky, that I really let him have it...well, about 15 minutes into my "rage"..lol....I got this sudden weird scary warm feeling in my lower back, (aroudn the small of your back, on either side of the spine)...but that's not all....it then started to almost sort of contract, say, those lower back muscles...yet, I can't really call it that, they weren't spasming, (bec. usually, when you have a muscle spasm, it HURTS), no, this was a warm, sick, kind of VERY SLOW "tightening" feeling, ALMOST like the very very beginning of a birth contration, but not.....geez, hard to describe. Now, I became panicky, because it made me feel VERY VERY STRANGE in my body, VERY! then, as if warm liquid was somehow "injected" (without that kind of pain though) into your lower back, imagine that warm liquid sort of filling in the abdomen (lower) straight across from where you were getting that in your back...which would be the ovary area, mainly on the left, but then again, almost all along that lower abdominal "sling" muscle.
So, it then went straight across (not a shooting pain) to the front abdomen, this sick, warm, feeling with some kind of weird feeling in there.....mimicing the feeling in my back, that sort of slow maybe muscle contraction, yet not. Then, it wound it's way down to into my two thighgs, both legs...it skipped the entire groin area. This all lasted about 30 seconds, maybe a little more.
I had to sort of bend over and grab the sink, NOT due to outright PAIN, ... no, but just due to this really wierd contracting feeling, and kind of a gagging, sick feeling in my body! UGH! this was awful and frightening! I grabbed the xanax, and I was shaking by that time.
It all then subsided. Pretty much, all at once. I still feel "weird" in THAT part of my body. The lower back, and around the left waist.....and sort of "in there" in my body, going towards the front, the ovary area.....mainly on the left. there is NO PAIN, ....just this really weird sick feeling in there. Now, i have been pressing on my left ovary a lot, NOT due to pain, just due to fear,,,,Im trying to see if I feel "anything"....so, now, it's a little tender. I don't know, this has been a scary experience! Has anyone here had anything like this? (I have a Feb. 4th GYN appt. for a pelvic, but until then, i'll be a nervous wreck). My husband says it was anxiety and panic, which had built up, and i can see that......but this was really scary! I don't know if anxiety and panic could actually cause THIS! I feel somewhat gassy in my left abdomen right now, and I keep getting this feeling like I have "something" in my vagina..lol..i know that sounds funny, but that's the sensation,,,it sort of comes and goes. Here I go, imagining the worst!
thank you ladies...any help or info. on this woudl be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, MyDarling
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QUOTE (mydarling @ Jan 27 2008, 04:44 PM) 
oh ladies, this is insane! a little while ago, I had gotten very angry at my youngest son (who is 21) about something that we've talked about a million times! he's a wonderful young man, but sometimes, he can really get my goat. I had been feeling very anxious and afraid for about 2 hrs. because he wasn't home from work yet, and that's TOTALLY NOT HIM, plus, his car is not in good shape, and his brakes (he won't allow a mechanic to "touch" his car, oh no....ONLY HIM!), aren't working to well, so naturally I thought, oh God, he's been in an accident! Rem. this isn't him to do this, which is why i became so frightened!
OK, so for about 2 hr.s i was walking around not knowing, fearing the worst. Finally he came home, and all was fine, he had stopped off at a friends house, and had his ph. turned off, so even though I had called him, it didn't go through. Well, I was so panicky, that I really let him have it...well, about 15 minutes into my "rage"..lol....I got this sudden weird scary warm feeling in my lower back, (aroudn the small of your back, on either side of the spine)...but that's not all....it then started to almost sort of contract, say, those lower back muscles...yet, I can't really call it that, they weren't spasming, (bec. usually, when you have a muscle spasm, it HURTS), no, this was a warm, sick, kind of VERY SLOW "tightening" feeling, ALMOST like the very very beginning of a birth contration, but not.....geez, hard to describe. Now, I became panicky, because it made me feel VERY VERY STRANGE in my body, VERY! then, as if warm liquid was somehow "injected" (without that kind of pain though) into your lower back, imagine that warm liquid sort of filling in the abdomen (lower) straight across from where you were getting that in your back...which would be the ovary area, mainly on the left, but then again, almost all along that lower abdominal "sling" muscle.
So, it then went straight across (not a shooting pain) to the front abdomen, this sick, warm, feeling with some kind of weird feeling in there.....mimicing the feeling in my back, that sort of slow maybe muscle contraction, yet not. Then, it wound it's way down to into my two thighgs, both legs...it skipped the entire groin area. This all lasted about 30 seconds, maybe a little more.
I had to sort of bend over and grab the sink, NOT due to outright PAIN, ... no, but just due to this really wierd contracting feeling, and kind of a gagging, sick feeling in my body! UGH! this was awful and frightening! I grabbed the xanax, and I was shaking by that time.
It all then subsided. Pretty much, all at once. I still feel "weird" in THAT part of my body. The lower back, and around the left waist.....and sort of "in there" in my body, going towards the front, the ovary area.....mainly on the left. there is NO PAIN, ....just this really weird sick feeling in there. Now, i have been pressing on my left ovary a lot, NOT due to pain, just due to fear,,,,Im trying to see if I feel "anything"....so, now, it's a little tender. I don't know, this has been a scary experience! Has anyone here had anything like this? (I have a Feb. 4th GYN appt. for a pelvic, but until then, i'll be a nervous wreck). My husband says it was anxiety and panic, which had built up, and i can see that......but this was really scary! I don't know if anxiety and panic could actually cause THIS! I feel somewhat gassy in my left abdomen right now, and I keep getting this feeling like I have "something" in my vagina..lol..i know that sounds funny, but that's the sensation,,,it sort of comes and goes. Here I go, imagining the worst!
thank you ladies...any help or info. on this woudl be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, MyDarling
OK, so for about 2 hr.s i was walking around not knowing, fearing the worst. Finally he came home, and all was fine, he had stopped off at a friends house, and had his ph. turned off, so even though I had called him, it didn't go through. Well, I was so panicky, that I really let him have it...well, about 15 minutes into my "rage"..lol....I got this sudden weird scary warm feeling in my lower back, (aroudn the small of your back, on either side of the spine)...but that's not all....it then started to almost sort of contract, say, those lower back muscles...yet, I can't really call it that, they weren't spasming, (bec. usually, when you have a muscle spasm, it HURTS), no, this was a warm, sick, kind of VERY SLOW "tightening" feeling, ALMOST like the very very beginning of a birth contration, but not.....geez, hard to describe. Now, I became panicky, because it made me feel VERY VERY STRANGE in my body, VERY! then, as if warm liquid was somehow "injected" (without that kind of pain though) into your lower back, imagine that warm liquid sort of filling in the abdomen (lower) straight across from where you were getting that in your back...which would be the ovary area, mainly on the left, but then again, almost all along that lower abdominal "sling" muscle.
So, it then went straight across (not a shooting pain) to the front abdomen, this sick, warm, feeling with some kind of weird feeling in there.....mimicing the feeling in my back, that sort of slow maybe muscle contraction, yet not. Then, it wound it's way down to into my two thighgs, both legs...it skipped the entire groin area. This all lasted about 30 seconds, maybe a little more.
I had to sort of bend over and grab the sink, NOT due to outright PAIN, ... no, but just due to this really wierd contracting feeling, and kind of a gagging, sick feeling in my body! UGH! this was awful and frightening! I grabbed the xanax, and I was shaking by that time.
It all then subsided. Pretty much, all at once. I still feel "weird" in THAT part of my body. The lower back, and around the left waist.....and sort of "in there" in my body, going towards the front, the ovary area.....mainly on the left. there is NO PAIN, ....just this really weird sick feeling in there. Now, i have been pressing on my left ovary a lot, NOT due to pain, just due to fear,,,,Im trying to see if I feel "anything"....so, now, it's a little tender. I don't know, this has been a scary experience! Has anyone here had anything like this? (I have a Feb. 4th GYN appt. for a pelvic, but until then, i'll be a nervous wreck). My husband says it was anxiety and panic, which had built up, and i can see that......but this was really scary! I don't know if anxiety and panic could actually cause THIS! I feel somewhat gassy in my left abdomen right now, and I keep getting this feeling like I have "something" in my vagina..lol..i know that sounds funny, but that's the sensation,,,it sort of comes and goes. Here I go, imagining the worst!
thank you ladies...any help or info. on this woudl be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, MyDarling
ok, i forgot to add I also had a full bladder feeling there for awhile, but that went away .... that was earlier this afternoon ....then this evening, I started with this IBS feeling in there again, (or perhaps an ovary type of pain), but I noticed that once I pooped it felt better, so I laid down on my bed, on my stomach ... now, as with IBS, sometimes that helps. At first IT DID HELP, then, i felt I had to tinkle again, so up i go.....but, upon returning to my bed, to lay on my stomach, this "pain" in my abdomen (about an inch over from my belly button, to the left, and abouta half in an inch down from that as well) felt bad! It almost began to feel as though it was "spasming", but only in those two places (which can happen with IBS), and boy, this felt bad! They weren't fast spasms, more like a building sort of pain .... just in those two places, about the size of a silver dollar each. It felt so deep. I couldn't lay there anymore, to achey! I got up, felt I had to have yet another bowel movement, and I did, just a little. Unfortunatley, it didn't help all that much this time, just a little. Now, I'm sitting here, typing ths, feeling like poop, and in my mid-lower abdomen, this feeling is awful, I feel slightly nauseas, and I seem to have this flushing anxiety feeling shooting up to my throat and face .... my middle abdominal area, to the left of the belly button, doesn't feel to well at all, like I said, almost like slow spasms! what do you guys think of all this "crap"?!
Hi My Darling,
I think that a lot of what you're experiencing is due to stress and anxiety. I've had the weirdest sensations (eg - of water trickling down my leg when it was totally dry!) due to a combo of stress and hormone whackiness. You were obviously really worried about your son, probably all tensed up, which as we know can cause muscle aches and pains, and on top of this you've had this lower abdomen thing going on which, as you know, I can really relate to! BTW, after all my odd symptoms this month, I just got my period ten days early! I've given up trying to work out what's going on in my perimenopausal body! In answer to your question from another post I'm 42 and have not had any checks recently, apart from a normal pap smear last year. I will get things checked out if these symptoms carry on, but I want to give this new pill I'm on a chance to get working first.
Also, I tend to avoid doctors and tests like the plague - almost phobic about them, these days. Another thing I think (which is certainly true of me!) is that women in peri often develop a really heightened awareness of every ache, pain, twinge etc to the point where they can't stop thinking about it - and I'm sure this only makes it worse. If I'm distracted by other stuff - at work for example - I can spend several hours at a time feeling almost normal!! Which is not to say that these aches and pains are imaginary, far from it, but worrying and stressing makes them worse, and it becomes a horrible vicious cycle. Believe me, I speak as one who's been there and bought the T -shirt on more than one occasion!
At least, unlike me, you're doing the sensible thing and getting all this stuff checked out. I hope your symptoms have subsided by now and that you're feeling a little better. Take care, Jess xx
I think that a lot of what you're experiencing is due to stress and anxiety. I've had the weirdest sensations (eg - of water trickling down my leg when it was totally dry!) due to a combo of stress and hormone whackiness. You were obviously really worried about your son, probably all tensed up, which as we know can cause muscle aches and pains, and on top of this you've had this lower abdomen thing going on which, as you know, I can really relate to! BTW, after all my odd symptoms this month, I just got my period ten days early! I've given up trying to work out what's going on in my perimenopausal body! In answer to your question from another post I'm 42 and have not had any checks recently, apart from a normal pap smear last year. I will get things checked out if these symptoms carry on, but I want to give this new pill I'm on a chance to get working first.
Also, I tend to avoid doctors and tests like the plague - almost phobic about them, these days. Another thing I think (which is certainly true of me!) is that women in peri often develop a really heightened awareness of every ache, pain, twinge etc to the point where they can't stop thinking about it - and I'm sure this only makes it worse. If I'm distracted by other stuff - at work for example - I can spend several hours at a time feeling almost normal!! Which is not to say that these aches and pains are imaginary, far from it, but worrying and stressing makes them worse, and it becomes a horrible vicious cycle. Believe me, I speak as one who's been there and bought the T -shirt on more than one occasion!
At least, unlike me, you're doing the sensible thing and getting all this stuff checked out. I hope your symptoms have subsided by now and that you're feeling a little better. Take care, Jess xx
mydarling,
I had learned at my age (40) I just can not let myself get into those arguments anymore.
I used to really be on top of my 18 year old son for things he is now responsible for and he would argue back and the last time I did this I got this rush of detachment and grabbed the counter because I thought I was going down...I was dizzy and feeling numb. My blood pressure was up and at that point I told myself no more. I have to have control for my own safety.
I understand your worry, my son will be 19 feb.15 and I think about him when he leaves at night to go out, or when he is with friends acting like putzes. I have called him on occasion if I wake up and see he didn't come home overnight and ask him could he at least let me know if he isn't coming home...so now he comes home and writes me a note since he doesn't usually know till late and he knows my sleep is precious. he leaves the note on the counter and I am fine with that.
It is hard as parents to let go a bit...I just said the other day it must be hard not to treat them like they are still are baby's even when they are well into adulthood and 21 is an adult as my 18 year old is, they may not act like it sometimes and we don't always agree with what they do, but all we can do now is give them are unwanted advice respectfully and let them choose.
I am not exactly the best one to dish out advice about anxiety since it has been a dominant in my life lately, but I am learning to recgnize it for what it is. We as humans will never get rid of all anxiety some of it is good. I went out and baught a blood pressure cuff since I had noticed my blood pressure was on the rise. If nothing else is a motivating factor to get some of it under control (meaning your going to have to loosen your grip and give up control...the more you fight for control the more you loose it and lets face it some things are out of our control...I know that is a tuff one to swollow) check your blood pressure during an anxiety attack. Not to scare you, but it shocked me as to what it does. I took my pressure every min. through an anxiety attack and I won't give #'s but will say it was dangerously high for about 15 min. this is what I do to my body everytime I let it get the best of me.
Get a good physical, a really good one with any test you feel you may need. After that and if all is fine you need to address your anxiety for your own well being. You are doing, from the way it sounds, sometyhing I became too good at and that is body scanning. If you arent working and don't have anything to fill your time trust me your thoughts will and they turn inward to your body especially if you are in a bad cycle of anxiety and panic. When I qiut my job thinking it wasd for the best...I thought just some time off would do me good. Big mistake because I had nothing to do but sit now and go inward to myself and why I feel so many things...I would notice everything...why is my eye twitching, why is my finger feeling numb, why do I have goosbumps i am not cold, what is that spot or bunp....these are things that if my mind was occupied I would have never noticed. The more you pay attn. the more you will notice and them thoughts come as to what it could be, then fear comes ebcause of what you think it means to have a numb finger or a twitchig eye. Chemicals are released with every bad thought and off we go...chemicals are also released with every good thought only these have a different impact for the better.
I don't mean to lecture....I feel for you believe me I know how hard this is...look back at my wild posts, there were times when I thought I was coming unglued and was ready to be fitted for my striaght jacket. I will still have times like this, but I am trying to swing the pendalem the other way so it become the rare not the norm. I have noticed with practice it gets easier, but you have to make the effort and be consitant.
Since I have been home I have had to find a good hobby something that distracts me so well I lose track of time, and that is my art. Find somehting that takes your mind elswhere beside internally and what you are feeling because if you are constantly looking you will find somehting to worry you. HUGS TO YOU mIkki
I had learned at my age (40) I just can not let myself get into those arguments anymore.
I used to really be on top of my 18 year old son for things he is now responsible for and he would argue back and the last time I did this I got this rush of detachment and grabbed the counter because I thought I was going down...I was dizzy and feeling numb. My blood pressure was up and at that point I told myself no more. I have to have control for my own safety.
I understand your worry, my son will be 19 feb.15 and I think about him when he leaves at night to go out, or when he is with friends acting like putzes. I have called him on occasion if I wake up and see he didn't come home overnight and ask him could he at least let me know if he isn't coming home...so now he comes home and writes me a note since he doesn't usually know till late and he knows my sleep is precious. he leaves the note on the counter and I am fine with that.
It is hard as parents to let go a bit...I just said the other day it must be hard not to treat them like they are still are baby's even when they are well into adulthood and 21 is an adult as my 18 year old is, they may not act like it sometimes and we don't always agree with what they do, but all we can do now is give them are unwanted advice respectfully and let them choose.
I am not exactly the best one to dish out advice about anxiety since it has been a dominant in my life lately, but I am learning to recgnize it for what it is. We as humans will never get rid of all anxiety some of it is good. I went out and baught a blood pressure cuff since I had noticed my blood pressure was on the rise. If nothing else is a motivating factor to get some of it under control (meaning your going to have to loosen your grip and give up control...the more you fight for control the more you loose it and lets face it some things are out of our control...I know that is a tuff one to swollow) check your blood pressure during an anxiety attack. Not to scare you, but it shocked me as to what it does. I took my pressure every min. through an anxiety attack and I won't give #'s but will say it was dangerously high for about 15 min. this is what I do to my body everytime I let it get the best of me.
Get a good physical, a really good one with any test you feel you may need. After that and if all is fine you need to address your anxiety for your own well being. You are doing, from the way it sounds, sometyhing I became too good at and that is body scanning. If you arent working and don't have anything to fill your time trust me your thoughts will and they turn inward to your body especially if you are in a bad cycle of anxiety and panic. When I qiut my job thinking it wasd for the best...I thought just some time off would do me good. Big mistake because I had nothing to do but sit now and go inward to myself and why I feel so many things...I would notice everything...why is my eye twitching, why is my finger feeling numb, why do I have goosbumps i am not cold, what is that spot or bunp....these are things that if my mind was occupied I would have never noticed. The more you pay attn. the more you will notice and them thoughts come as to what it could be, then fear comes ebcause of what you think it means to have a numb finger or a twitchig eye. Chemicals are released with every bad thought and off we go...chemicals are also released with every good thought only these have a different impact for the better.
I don't mean to lecture....I feel for you believe me I know how hard this is...look back at my wild posts, there were times when I thought I was coming unglued and was ready to be fitted for my striaght jacket. I will still have times like this, but I am trying to swing the pendalem the other way so it become the rare not the norm. I have noticed with practice it gets easier, but you have to make the effort and be consitant.
Since I have been home I have had to find a good hobby something that distracts me so well I lose track of time, and that is my art. Find somehting that takes your mind elswhere beside internally and what you are feeling because if you are constantly looking you will find somehting to worry you. HUGS TO YOU mIkki
just wanted to add another note while I know just distracting yourself won't cure your anxiety it helps to calm your body and give your brain a rest from the onslought of bad thoughts we have, your body will naturally calm down so you can better work on techniques that will allow you to let go a bit such as breathing and relaxation.
Don't try to learn breathing and relaxation or do them while in the midst of an attack you''l find they don't work...it like trying to relax while someone has a gun to your head telling you if you don't relax I'll shoot. Learn them first where you are comfortable and then when you feel yourself headed that way start what you've learned.
the most imp. thing is you will have to learn to change your thoughts(very hard, but can be done with pateince and alot of time) but eventually you will recognize them before they they run loose and you'll be able to stop them before they bring you into an anxiety mode. Learn to talk yourself back to reality, it is hard I am working on this myself and it is tough because my neg. thoughts have made a good groove in my brain and to jusmp out of that groove and go another way is work....like a bike tire in train tracks.
Don't try to learn breathing and relaxation or do them while in the midst of an attack you''l find they don't work...it like trying to relax while someone has a gun to your head telling you if you don't relax I'll shoot. Learn them first where you are comfortable and then when you feel yourself headed that way start what you've learned.
the most imp. thing is you will have to learn to change your thoughts(very hard, but can be done with pateince and alot of time) but eventually you will recognize them before they they run loose and you'll be able to stop them before they bring you into an anxiety mode. Learn to talk yourself back to reality, it is hard I am working on this myself and it is tough because my neg. thoughts have made a good groove in my brain and to jusmp out of that groove and go another way is work....like a bike tire in train tracks.
oh boy, i don't mean to come off as a whiner, I'm really not....but this "feeling" is driving me nuts! I can't stand this! I slept really well last night, the first really good sleep in a LONG time! very deep, it was nice. Now, when I first woke up, i laid there for a while, trying to see if I could still feel that "pain" (ache, pressure) on the left side of my abdomen, and lower, around the ovary area...and for a while there, i couldn't. I was so glad! But, then i noticed, as I lay there, and began to think of what that could be, it seemed to slowly start, to build up to that feeling in there, like a pressure (it even feels like it presses down on my bladder and vagina). UGH! So, I told myself, ok, if this were a cyst on my ovary, wouldn't i feel it all the time? I mean, if it had gotten to that point, to that size, wouldn't i feel it all the time, wouldn't I feel it when i first woke up? (not just after I began to think about it). So, I covered my head, and tried to stay in bed, i became very fearful! Finally, after laying there for a few hours like this, i got up. I noticed, that AT FIRST, i didn't have that "feeling" on my left side (abdomen), but as I was up for a little while, it started. It's a FULL feeling, in the left side of my abdomen, it feels like pressure, and sometimes, it'll feel like "pain", not a sharp pain, more like a deep pain, or ache.....again, it started about an inch to the left of the belly button....and within a short time...that same FULL pressure feeling was down by the left ovary again! I sat down to have some coffee, but it bothered me, because when you sit, all the pressure is on your abdomen and back...ok, so, when I was sitting, it felt like something "in there" (left abdomen) was pressing down on my bladder, and vagina! I had to eventually, get up, and walk around... my dr.'s appt. isn't for a week, and I"m driving myself nuts, with all sorts of crazy thoughts. I can almost feel this weird ache in my left leg too, which, from what I've read, means there could be an ovarian cyst. GREAT! I think I'll start a thread about ovarian cysts, and ask all the ladies who've had them, to post and describe the feeling, and what ended up happening.
Jessie, and Mikki......thank you for replying! Yes, the health anxiety is horrendous! I was NEVER like this, but neither did i have any symptoms like these either. I'm sure we can all say the same thing! Isn't this awful!
thank you again for replying ..... Sincerely, MyDarling
Jessie, and Mikki......thank you for replying! Yes, the health anxiety is horrendous! I was NEVER like this, but neither did i have any symptoms like these either. I'm sure we can all say the same thing! Isn't this awful!
thank you again for replying ..... Sincerely, MyDarling
Please dont think your whining...I know about health anxiety and when peri hits it is really hard... it is the first thng that crosses your mind when you get up, I just think if you were to focus on something more pleasurable maybe you wouldn't notice so much of the miserable peri. sensations. You live in Fl. I used to live there and know it is nice out maybe you could go and get a nature fix, go to the beach and listen to the waves....anything to occupy yourself. MIkki
Hey MD,
Have you tried a hot bath? Often, if it is stress/muscle tension related, the hot bath will allow involuntary relaxing of those muscles. Also, try drinking lots of water to wash out toxins. Let me know if either of these helps. Take care - hope you're feeling a bit better.
Adair
Have you tried a hot bath? Often, if it is stress/muscle tension related, the hot bath will allow involuntary relaxing of those muscles. Also, try drinking lots of water to wash out toxins. Let me know if either of these helps. Take care - hope you're feeling a bit better.
Adair
thank you ladies! it seems that right now, i'm being slammed with so many symptoms again, i seem to go through these "seasons" where I'll be fine, and then, here they come again. Now, is one of those seasons. I feel as though my body is under siege! As if some foreign enemy has scaled the walls, and is ravaging and pillaging through the city! ..lol .. well, you know what i mean. Now, it's painful ovaries, that's the latest...oh, and we can't forget, severe bloating! geez, it doesn't feel like the "other" bloatedness, where you feel you need a pin to "pop" your belly and all this air would come out, no, this feels THICK, or full in there....i feel like i need a "sling" to sort of wrap around my neck, and wrap under my belly, to help carry it around..lol..this is far out, and THIS symptom, only started today, out of nowhere. But, i've been having lots of IBS problems latley too...along with lower back aches and burning. What the heck is the burning? (gosh, i even get this burning sensation in my lower abdomen). I think that's from ibs.
ok ladies, thank you.....anymore feedback is always appreciated! sincerely, mydarling
ok ladies, thank you.....anymore feedback is always appreciated! sincerely, mydarling
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