Hi,
I am 37 yrs old. I had my daughter at 29, and my tubes tied a month later. Over the next couple of years I had some menstration issues-(I spotted or bled every day for nearly a year and a half)which led to my doctor and I to decide that I would have a uterine ablation instead of a hysterectomy after all tests and hormone therapy could find nothing wrong, or stop the bleeding. It went well, really enjoy the rare appearances of my menses(light spotting occasionally every 3 months or 1 day a month)
but lately my mooods have gotten out of control, I don't sleep, then I sleep for days, I cry for no reason, I have always been a bit jealous, but now I am visciously jealous, even of the time he spends with his children from a previous marriage to the point I convince myself he loves them more than my daughter and I...I am just a crazy person. I have what I call RED days when I feel the fog/anger/crying coming. He says he can see it in my eyes when i wake up sometimes in the morning that I am "redlining". I went to the family doctor told her all of this and when I had my yearly, exam, she did a hormone test. They said I was perfectly normal, and recommended counselling. I told my husband I was OFFICIALLY "JUST CRAZY". He told me to go have them test me on one of those RED days and tell me I am "CRAZY" THEN. The doctor asked me if it seemed to come on before, during or after my period, to which I replied,"How would I know? I hardly ever have one-my uterus has been ablated-REMEMBER?"

I just wonder could having an ablation, hve something to do with these symptoms? Could this have thrown me into PERIMENOPAUSE sooner than usual? Is this what is happening to me and my doctor isn't considering it because I am too young? Could these moods still be hormonal, but fluxuate so that the day I was tested (I was having a GREEN day-as my husband calls my good days) I wasn't hormonally imbalanced? Or could she be right and I'm just nuts. My husband doesn't seem to think a person can just "drop their basket" overnight. He misses the strong independent me not this jealous needy moody crying raging lunatic I sometimes become these days.

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum but I'm bew here and didn't know where to start.

welcome to Powersurge!

I think you are in the right place..there are more than a few 30 somethings on this board, no doubt you'll hear from them.

Raging hormones are no fun....you will find solace and help here whenever you need it.

Caz

My first suggestion would be to start journaling your daily symptoms good or bad. This way you can start to see a hormonal pattern if there is one. I am 37 and having all kinds of funky symptoms for nearly a year and a half. My hormones, thyroid, glucose etc all read within normal ranges. So my pcp originally treats me for anxiety and panic with xanax and prozac. Then my gyn tells me my ovulation is out of whack and puts me on birth control pills. No one ever told me I was peri, but my symptoms and body tell me I am. Charting your symptoms at least let you see when and what is going on with your body.

I don't think we lose our basket over night either. Even though it feels that way sometimes lol. I had/have no reasons in my life to be anxious or to have panic attacks. So far hormones have been the only explanation for all of this! Hang in there and read read read!

I have tried keeping track of the moods but they are all over the calendar. The crying jags come randomly, the jealousy/anger days seem to just come on out of no where although stress seems to really be apart of them, or I react to them more when I am stressed. Can stress cause hormones to go wacky? The sleep disturbances are just part of my every day life...somedays I can't drag myself out of bed, to not being able to stay in it because I am so restless. I want to sleep just can't.

My husband works away from home alot, and I never had a problem with it before. I always enjoyed that I kept things going while he was gone, had my own life and really didn't depend on him to be here every day, I had my daughter, my business, our horses, and life was good.
I was never NEEDY like this. The first time I called him crying for no reason, he thought someone had died, until I told him I didn't know WHY I was crying, I just WAS and couldn't stop. For him, the occasional "I miss you come home NOW" or "I am so sick of going places alone, or you missed this or that , how much longer is this job gonna last?" was common, but me being a "bawlbag" was totally out of character. His strong cowgirl, who's tougher than most guys was a puddle of goo sobbing on the phone 4 states away. Sometimes I'd call ANGRY at him, he loved his job better than me, and who was that female voice in the background?(the weather girl on TV) Are ther women working with you? That secretary sounded a little too friendly bout you when I talked to her on the phone about insurance, is there something you need to tell me? and on and on. SIGH...

Whatever this is , I hope it goes away soon. If it is PERI and I'm only 37 how long...will it last? How long can it last?

[Dear freind,
So sorry to hear you are having such a horrible time. I am curious to know WHAT kind of hormone testing the doctor did. Ladies correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the tests need to be run on specific days during your cycles like day three of your period and around ovulation. etc. Start there to see what kind of hormone testing you got. I recognize the jealousy thing but I aslo could chart out each month and each erractic behaviour was the same each month. That might be different from what you are going through. Stess reaks havoc on your adrenal glands and hormones. You can also get your adrenals tested (stress hormone)If this isn't your hormones it obviously is something else so don't give up on finding a proper doctor or natural doctor that listens to you and can help you. You never know what it could be and if you are not feeling good don't give up until you find a solution.
Find out all the facts before you take anything.
Take care,
Nunni
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I have tried keeping track of the moods but they are all over the calendar. The crying jags come randomly, the jealousy/anger days seem to just come on out of no where although stress seems to really be apart of them, or I react to them more when I am stressed. Can stress cause hormones to go wacky? The sleep disturbances are just part of my every day life...somedays I can't drag myself out of bed, to not being able to stay in it because I am so restless. I want to sleep just can't.

My husband works away from home alot, and I never had a problem with it before. I always enjoyed that I kept things going while he was gone, had my own life and really didn't depend on him to be here every day, I had my daughter, my business, our horses, and life was good.
I was never NEEDY like this. The first time I called him crying for no reason, he thought someone had died, until I told him I didn't know WHY I was crying, I just WAS and couldn't stop. For him, the occasional "I miss you come home NOW" or "I am so sick of going places alone, or you missed this or that , how much longer is this job gonna last?" was common, but me being a "bawlbag" was totally out of character. His strong cowgirl, who's tougher than most guys was a puddle of goo sobbing on the phone 4 states away. Sometimes I'd call ANGRY at him, he loved his job better than me, and who was that female voice in the background?(the weather girl on TV) Are ther women working with you? That secretary sounded a little too friendly bout you when I talked to her on the phone about insurance, is there something you need to tell me? and on and on. SIGH...

Whatever this is , I hope it goes away soon. If it is PERI and I'm only 37 how long...will it last? How long can it last?
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I would find myself a doctor willing to listen first and foremost. Obviously you have something going on, be it hormones or stress. Your sleeping patterns aren't helping any of it either. Hang in there and find yourself another doctor!

It DEFINITELY sounds like hormones and don't believe your doctor is he/she says they are "normal". I am only 40 but last year I started feeling like I was literally DYING. I still do actually, some days, but not as bad because I ignored my regular doctor who said I was too young for menopause and went to a nurse practitioner who I TOLD to give me some bioidentical estadiol gel. I apply this every day, actually throughout the day, and it seems to be helping.

You are not going crazy so rest assured your "temporary insanity" will cease once you get your hormones more balanced. Like davinci said, find a doctor who is more knowledgeable in hormones and more willing to listen! Anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications can surely help mask some of the symptoms of lack of estrogen, but it's better to resolve the issue by supplementation so you don't need those other drugs (which do have side effects too).

My doc said my hormones were within range too. My estradiol was at 27 when she said this. 27??!! ANd sure enough, the Lab report did show that this was within normal range (at the low end). What are they talking about??!! The low end of normal should be somewhere closer to 80 to feel good and feel normal and I am nowhere near that!

Do you have your test with you, and if so, what are your levels? If you don't have your test, GET IT. I know some people say that tests are useless because hormones flucuate wildly, but I don't buy that either. It can at least point you in the right direction of where you might be deficient. Testing is best a day or two after your period starts. I read that the first day is best because your levels are the lowest. I had mine on the 3rd day this last time a few months ago and the estradiol was even lower at 21.

And yes, do lots of reading!

Missy-

IYP, do you think a 32 maybe too low on day 3 of test?

I'm not Missy, but yes to your question, absolutely. You need to be at least 80 to feel good and have the cardio and bone protection.

Hi yldchild,
I'm so sorry that you're feeling bad, and I want to tell you I and the women here KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!!! And no, 37 is not too young for peri. Especially if you had your tubes tied. I was 26 when I had mine tied and started having problems not long after that, and many other women on this site say the same thing. When you get your tubes tied, the blood supply to your ovaries gets restricted (even just a little bit) and then your ovaries don't produce the hormones as they should. But the Doctors would never tell you that, in fact they'd disagree, but there's too juch proof from us who have suffered!! And yes to all of your other questions. You should be tested day 1 or 2 of your cycle, which for you is hard because you don't get your period regularly. And then again on day 21. I would say that when you do get some spotting, to get tested 2 days later, then count 21 days from the day of spotting and get tested again, that will give you a better picture. I also agree with the other women, get a copy of your blood work, see what they actually tested, and let us know.
Hang in there, it's hard, but you're not alone ( and you're not crazy!!!) Or we all are!
God Bless,
Faith

YES, 32 is LOW. The "range" that it shows on my lab test is:

15 - 350 = Premenopausal
<10 = Postmenopausal

It bugs me to no end that just because it is still within that magical "range", that we are considered "normal", "nothing wrong with us hormonally", "just depressed", etc. And we have qualified physicians out there telling us ladies that it is all in our heads. If they could only feel what we feel! They have no idea that it is not just a matter of having a hot flash now and then. It feels like we are dying! And I for one think that we actually ARE dying in a sense - it is a way that our bodies are telling us that something is wrong. Yes, it's "natural" to go through menopause, but it's also "natural" to get cancer.

Anyway, sorry for going off on a tangent. I am still thinking back to the TONS of doctors that I saw and not one of them mentioned hormones as even a possibility. They sent me on a wild goose chase!

Hey Missy,
I know just how you feel. I also have gone through so many Dr.s, and every one of them said anxiety/depression. Yes, I am anxious and depressed becuase "I DON'T FEEL GOOD"!!!!! I'm right there on that tangent with you!!
Take Care,
Faith

missy & faith! Just wanted to jump on your band wagon!

I feel there is no doubt that lack of E makes one feel like a bag of poop. I think is causes the anxiety and panic attacks. I think it causes depression. I think it makes one dizzy and lightheaded. And I also don't think it is so natural. We treat every other hormonal problem....except this one! It is natural for our thyroid to slow down it production of hormones, does it get treated? YES. It is natural for men to stop producing adequate testosterone as they age, they have had access to bio identical hormone replacement for YEARS!!

But what has been done for women and menopause? Well they offered poisonous synthetic hormones, that what!! They ran a completely flawed "study" and then the media only latched on to the negatives of the study, and failed to mention the positive...and there WERE positives! The media has failed to mention that in Europe bio-identicals have been used for decades and haven't had the issues that the media screams at us!!

When I see what a huge difference the BHRT has made in my life, I feel such anger that women are belittled so! You are "depressed", you have an "anxiety" disorder, go get therapy! Hormones are vital to our well being, to our health, to our mental and emotional stability....and yet they are shrugged off as being "dangerous". Well the risk is worth it to me. I would rather die, than feel the way I used to feel.

Just my opinion.

Kathie

EXACTLY! In fact, in the way early days of this horrid illness when I had no clue what was going on, one of the doctors I went to actually got me to cry because he said that it must be depression, and asked me if I had anything going on in my life to make me depressed. Well, my dad has cancer so I started thinking about that and actually believing the doctor that maybe all of this WAS in fact stress/depression related. But in reality, just like you said, I am anxious and depressed because I feel so terrible.

As a matter of fact, I feel especially horrible today, like I am completely hungover/carsick (without having any alcohol the night before of course). What is that all about??!! This by far is my worse symptom.

Welcome to the wagon, Kathie! Actually, I wish NONE of us were on this stinkin' wagon come to think of it.

But because we ARE, I'm glad I have you all to help me through this crazy and horrendous journey!

This is what ticks me off as well, I wasn't anxious or having panic attacks until I started to feel like doody all the time. The doctors just don't bother listening is the problem. Any average Joe could figure out the difference between feeling like doo then having anxiety vs having anxiety and then feeling like doo.

quote name Simba 2 date = 18th January 2008

Ladies, I am so in agreement with you on this. Three years ago I was nothing like this. I must have been fortunate in a way because my symptoms only kicked off when my periods stopped and then it was like I was in freefall. Daytime and nightime flushing and sweating, nausea, bowel alterations, anxiety, insomnia. All this shoots holes in your confidence because you can feel so ill. I can say 100% that this has been caused by the alteration in hormones at menopause. The doctors should surely see this as clearly as we do. I was dismayed to read a letter from a fifty -something lady in my daily paper the other morning decrying women in menopause as whiners because she was more or less sailing through it. I thought, how can women say this about other women and she should count her blessings not to be hit by it as badly as many women are. The only thing is what to do about it! I have tried HRT several times now and have had to come off because it has made me, on balance, feel worse. The length of time this is going on for is getting me down, I just want my old self back.