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gibplace
Has a hysteromy in 84 and still have my ovaries.  They have quit producing estrogen.  Having all the symptons of menopause  and a really bad week.   I was put on a natural hormone last year when I first found out I was going through menopause.  It worked for about a year and then it stopped working last week.   Starting taking Estratest H. S. Monday of this week hope to be better soon.  The hot flashes and cold fashes almost unbearable they have improved and slowly my symptons are going away.  One good thing I have no appeite.  Trying to lose weight through all of this.  I just would like to know if anyone take this drug?   If you do would you please tell me what you think and if it has helped you.  My doctor says is made from a plant, even though it was synethic it is natural.  I not sure what that means but the natural part sounds good.  Please help if you can.  thanks
Kari
Hi Gibplace,

You might have to go with your own experience on this one. I've heard some women love it, and then again some say it makes them so irritable they feel like a mad dog. I took it for about 3 weeks, hoping to help with libido and fatigue. It did nothing for my libido, but did help with fatigue somewhat. I quit taking it because I suffer from anxiety so bad and it just made it worse.  You, on the other hand , may do just fine with it.  It's all trial and error. Hope this helps a little.  :)

gibplace
Kari,thanks for the comments.  I have alot of anxiety too.  I have manic-depression.  I hope it want effect it.  Trying to think postive, and like you said trial and error.
Framboise
The synthetic/natural confusion is a problem of terminology. Both of the hormones you are taking combined in the Estratest are synthetic in that they are manufactured in a lab, and are synthetic in that they are not chemically identical to the forms our ovaries made (but exert some of the same effects). I think that the doctor's use of "natural" probably reflects the fact that they are chemically refined from plants (although they no longer bear any resemblance to plant compounds) rather than from, um, rocks or something inorganic. Does that help clarify?

How any particular hrt works of course depends on exactly what your body needs.

Generally speaking, women who find that taking testosterone makes them nasty and agressive are ones who are already making enough testosterone (and whose libido problems are due to something else).

Generally speaking, women who find that they are overstimulated by estrogen (as in panic attacks or rapid heart rate) are women who are taking too high a dose of estrogen or whose estrogen is not in the proper ratio (often referred to as "balance" ) with progesterone. And of course lots of women with anxiety or manic-depressive problems are on other medications that can interact with the hrt, making balance yet more complicated and requiring personal trial and error.

A positive attitude, time and trials: you've figured out what it takes. Here's hoping it doesn't take too much of the latter two.

Kari
Hi Framboise, me again, with yet another question. Does your 0.5mg of Estrace equal the same mgs in a patch?  Also, (sorry, I thought of 2 questions) Do you think too much estrogen causes anxiety and panic? Dr. Vliet seems to lean the other way.....not enough estradiol causes the anxiety and heart stuff.
Framboise
The equivalency via different routes, especially using what is meant to be an oral tablet sublingually (which only works with Estrace, by the way), is poorly documented. I arrived at my dose via experiment when I switched over from oral, and most women I know who take it the same way did more or less the same thing. My best guess is that 0.5 mg Estrace SL is relatively equivalent to the 0.5 mg patch, in that they are both sort of transdermal. I have, however, seen comments that the sublingual route is a little more efficient so you get a higher intake from it than the patch. On the other hand, the patch is more of a continuous steady dose with some immediately fat-cached whereas the SL is a single burst-dose with a higher risk of liver conversion (although less than oral) and more indirect caching. Still, notions in circulation when I first started hearing about taking estrace this way, that since the half-life of estrace is only 12 hours or less you have to repeat the dose at that interval, generally turned out not to be the case for most women.  So even though I don't think they are exactly the same, it's a place to begin.  I do think that you need to keep in mind that you will probably have to fine tune that dose.

Well, I can't argue with Dr. Vliet that low estrogen can cause some of those reactions. But my sense of things (and I'm not a doctor--just someone who has been paying a lot of attention to how hrt affects women) is that the low-estrogen panic/anxiety is more a depressive one, more brain-chemical-related. Lots of us get moody, short, freaked out, unable to cope when our estrogen is low. How large a step is that from an anxiety attack? This makes sense to me. Estrogen and seratonin are feel-good hormones, and when those receptors aren't occupied, I expect all sorts of mayhem to break loose in the brain.

Estrogen is also a stimulatory neurotransmitter, however. In certain cases (very rare) the stimulatory effect can be so strong as to cause monthly seizures (called catamenial seizures). In most cases, however, excess estrogen effects range from a mild "over-caffeinated" sort of buzz (and insominia) to cardiac stimulation causing a more rapid pulse to outright panic and perhaps cardiac arrythmia. One of the things I find especially interesting in this sort of stimulation is that progesterone is the specific treatment given for estrogen-caused seizures. That, to my mind, helps validate this as an important adjunct to the control of all of the degrees of estrogen-excess and explains some of why it is the ratio between the two rather than the absolute level of either that is the true measure of hormone balance.

Now, I realize that theory is fine but when you are grappling with panic, how do you know which extreme is the culprit? This is something that requires a much more subtle reading of clues. This is a case when hormone level testing can be useful in giving you at least a sense of which direction in which to turn. If that is not an option, then you need to look at all the various symptoms you have and try to guess which side of the scale they weigh on. Sometimes, mood lability, vaginal dryness, incontinence, depression give you the "low clues" and energy, insomnia, breast soreness and lack of the low clues suggest the other extreme. If all else fails, it seems that lowering the dose is a safer approach than raising it to see if that works (however much that doctors tend to try the opposite first, for nearly any hormonal symptom).

Does that at least start to make some sense in terms of what you are asking? If not, let me know and I'll try again. This is confusing stuff and so much of it remains guesswork. That is, of course, why all of us have to band together to share this stuff--no one else knows what's really going on after we put these hormones in our bodies.

PG
I have been taking Estratest H.S. for 3 months and amin process of calling my Dr. and asking if she wants to take a blood test and check my levels or just take me off the Estratest .  I started out several years ago on Estridial and found through time that it works best forme by taking 1 mg. in a.m. and 1 mg. before bed.I decided I needed to jazz up in the libido dept. sinceI have pretty much lost interest since my hysterectomy4 years ago, (also my ovaries were intact at time).My woman Dr. does not believe in testosteroneand only gave it to me when I felt there is no hopefor anything to help with libido. I am now 50 andfeel the libido question and answer is still to be learned.  As for the Estratest H.S., I agree it just mademy skin oily, my hair flat, and me more edgy and notsleeping as well as when I was only taking the Estridial. Diagnosed with hypothyroidism in last year and feel much better on Synthroid, but still sufferdepression and can't figure out why.Any answers out there?PG
gibplace
PG,Thanks for the reply.  I have been on Estratest H.S. for about 3 weeks and seeing some relief in sight.  Hot flashes, cold flashes, & headaches are gone.  I am going to give it a little longer.  My doctor says because I have manic-depression it will take the full 2 months.  I am going to hold on till then.  Menopause has really triggerd the manic epsidoes though.  I will have to be more patient.  The lidbo is not there yet, but least I occassionally think about it.  It also wonderful to not have an appiete, to which I am gratful.  I am still loosing weight and have gained any weight at all since all of this happened.  In fact I keep losing and try to keep exercising as much as I can.  Still not sleeping all night, which makes me more manic when I don't.  Most days have to take a nap to get through the day.  Maybe relief is on the way!!!  Hope you get better.  Hang in there!!

(Edited by gibplace at 10:45 pm on Aug. 8, 2001)

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