I'm posting this for Zelma...

"I've found Skinny Cows Icecream Sandwiches at Kroger, Albertsons, and Super Walmart so far.  But you can find a more complete list at ***.  For those who heard about the Big Daddy fiasco inFlorida--this is different.  Big Daddy mislabled their icecream to where a normal serving was shown as 12ounces not 4--the acurate amount!  Ouch!  By the way,are y'all familiar with Boca Burgers?  They have a veg. burger, Chef Max Deluxe, that tastes like mildbeef even though there is no beef in it!  And it is 2 points a pattie.  (For the non-WW; a point is appx. equal to 50 calories---but the fat and fiber levelscan vary that some.)  Dearest, I know you know about that one!"

=====Zelma J. GraggBryan/College Station, Texas

*** URL removed.  If you want it, please email MaryO

Well, I gave up on getting in on zj--so I'm now zjsurfer!  Still Zelma and still losing weight!  (I hope on the weight part--lol)  Thanks for your help MaryO.   The board would let me in as zj  but wouldn't let me post.  Would say no such user--but then when I regristered this name it claim that there was an ID from my yahoo account so I've had to use my newly reactivated AOL account for here to register----aughhhhh---make up your mind board!

Zelma

I didn't know you couldn't post URL's on this internet board--If you'd like the URL for Skinny Cows, write me!  Thanks!

Zelma

Glad to see you back - under any name - Zelmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmma!

Well, I can't even tell you what I ate yesterday. It's kind of a blur. Didn't sleep well the night before so I was kind of foggy all day. I will try to do a better job of keeping track. Don't think I did any permanent damage , but I do remember a candy bar in there somewhere. No carbs or sugars other than that though I'm sure of that. back to having a plan:)Today I am having stuffed green bell peppers(rice and vegie stuffing) and microwaved chicken with sauted onions. Lunch is a ham (97%fatfree) sandwich and breakfast is coffee and oatmeal. Snack will be popcorn and a couple of whole wheat fig cookies.I need good vibes sent this way so I can do this. I even forgot my water yesterday, just thought of that. Good thing I don't keep anything in the house that is very fattening. I think we should  mount a campaign to remove the candy display from the checkout aisles at supermarkets! WAY to tempting in a vulnerable moment :biggrin:hugs, jeanneP.S. How is everyone else doing on this weight thing?

"P.S. How is everyone else doing on this weight thing?"

Don't ask! I need to talk about this, but I can't seem to. I have to resolve the issues that are preventing me from eating properly. I'm working on resolving what's driving me to food when I'm not hungry with a therapist because I have never had this problem with my weight before in my entire life. The food is filling a number of voids -- comfort food, which ends up being not so comfortable.

I'm looking forward to the chat on Tuesday. Hope you're all doing better than me.

Hi Dearest,

I haven't had a chance to join the chat yet, but tonight I had spumoni with my Italian dinner...I couldn't help it!

I have something to blame it on....  I am reading Screaming to be Heard....says falling estrogen causes falling serotonin.   We are eating carbs to raise the serotonin back up...I also made a corn type casserole yesterday which made me feel better.   Eating the carb food did make my mood go up...but not great for the waist...

I don't get that tempted except in period or phantom period week when I analyze it.   I have always had great willpower...and do ok most of the time but having this happen undos the progress I start to make....

It may not be anything related to internal issues but brain chemistry and serotonin.   Maybe we need comfort when this happens because the brain is feeling more pain and has fewer endorphins at that time.

I know and understand the frustration because I want to lose weight too and this is so hard to deal with.  I know my stomach is puffed from two days of eating more carbs....it may cost a couple more pounds for me..

Anyway, I don't think we should be too hard on ourselves as maybe the brain chemistry may be over riding willpower and resolve.

Take care....

Hi, weekend was a bust again...and I am bloated from the carbs too, Nancy. I knew there had to be a reason for wanting them so much!!

Well, back on track. I guess it is still it is not what we are eating...it is what is eating us!!

Hope to see you all at chat tomorrow...I need a boost of encouragement!! So far so good today....looking for the 3 days in a  row, but I have to concentrate on one day at a time. Right now it is one hour at a time! I WILL go to bed without eating any  more.

Hang in there!!

Grace

I think I just have more incentive, not so much as will power. Whenever I think of what i'm eating sticking to my arteries I cringe and suddenly lose my appetite. I really think it is starting to motivate me. Sure s*cks that it took something so drastic to make me see the light. Also I do have more energy when I eat the right things . And I had such little energy for so long that I really enjoy feeling like going out and doing things. I even enjoy shopping again , and it tired me out so much before that I would just give hubby a list. Got to admit though that the bakery section still talks to me when I am in the store. I wonder how it knows my name:shocked: Pretty creepy:)hugs, jeanne

Open Menopause Chat& Weight and Diet Chat! Tues., July 24, 9 PM, EST - 6 PM, PST

For those who don't know, the chat room is open 24/7 for anyone who wants to arrange to meet someone from the board or for a group to get together and chat in real time as opposed to posting messages. Also, in another week,  Power Surge will have its own chat room on AOL again -- also open 24/7 for those of you who want to join us there.

If anyone is interested in meeting to chat about menopause and weight problems, it's Tuesday nights. This week:  Tuesday, July 24th, 9 PM, EST in the chat room.

Ok I can't remember what we are suppose to be posting about today. What we feel when we are eating something or some such thing? I always feel so much more motivated after the tuesday chat. I know I'm eating right , but knowing I might be able to eat more is something to look forward to.I eat breakfast (oatmeal and coffee) just because I have to have something in my stomach when I take all these darn heart and hypretension pills. Otherwise, my stomach would give me fits . I hope you all have a successful day and week , remember  " an apple a day makes you sick of apples " heeheehugs, jeanne

Just wanted to say that I really got alot of insight being in the chat room last night.  I hope I'm available more Tuesdays to be there.  Lots of food for thought (no pun intended).  We eat to fill voids in our lives - loneliness, depression, etc.  That's sure true of me.  The interesting thing is, after the chat, I couldn't get to sleep because I had so much rolling around in my head, but I didn't eat.  But today - BANG! - the ole carb monster is back.  

I wonder if I'm getting enough with just a banana and a Revival shake in the morning.  Does anyone eat a meal with the Revival?  Isn't it too many calories?  But I was at a meeting all morning, and got home about 1:30 pm - toooo many hours after breakfast.  And instead of stopping for a sensible salad, I came home and charged right into the kitchen for a sandwich of turkey and cheese on sourdough bread.  Well, the turkey and cheese probably isn't so bad - but that sourdough bread is just useless calories of white flour.  Ugh.

Anyway, Dearest, I want to thank you personally for being so gracious to me last night, even though you truly were justified in being hurt at my little outburst about a month ago.  Thank you for allowing me to be part of this forum.  It's changing my outlook, changing my mind, and changing my life.

Everyone else - comments on the Revival and meals?  Or comments on waiting too long between meals?

Thanks - we'll make it through this thing together.

In pure calorie count, the cheese is probably worst for you then the bread!

Zelma

Dearest (and surgettes),

A special thanks to Dearest and all who were at the chat last night. Dearest...you helped me "see" so much!! Again, it is so good to know you are not alone. I was really "at peace" last and slept well besides. Go figure!! Your getting us to "talk" and your insight in the questions you asked were awesome. Do you have special training or are you a natural??

Are we doing our journal here or are we going to have another link? I think I would prefer a new link started. If I don't see one soon, maybe I will start it myself. Is that OK?? I want to leave this board for general chat club questions, answers and comments. My opinion of course. Not a biggie!!

Anyway, today is going great so far. I think last night helped more than I can tell. But, I am also telling myself I don't have to be good after Monday...going away. Boy, I am going to miss coming here. I will have to sneak onto son's computer. I am bringing all my WW  material with me also. I have already started packing the food I want to bring to stay on track.

Oh, boy, I think I went on and  on and on again.

Hugs to all!!  This Weight Chat Club is great!!

Grace

Sylvry, I just have a banana and Revival (and milk) for breakfast most days.  Sometimes I add another fruit, to change the flavor.  

That tides me over for a long time

Grace,

I agree.  Last night was a night of insight....had me thinking about why I eat when not hungry.   Actually there are several other reasons I realized too....

Dearest did a great job of having things surface.   She is multi-talented....and funny....and we are lucky... to have this forum.

My husband said I was laughing alot....he was downstairs and heard me.

We did have a good time didn't we?  The thing is if we didn't have problems to deal with , we would never had met such a nice group of people....

I also enjoyed last night's chat!    I'm reflective in nature, so the "why I have been eating" (STRESS :shocked:) is really no surprise.  Plus, like jeanne said, I just REALLY liked all the junk I was eating!!!  :biggrin:  

The *why* I have motivation to work on losing weight *now* is more of an interesting question to me.  

My body (and the Good Lord) have decided that it's time the depression came to an end, at least for now!  

Because I have such a general sense of well-being, I  am able to think clearly.  

In thinking clearly, I've come to grips with what I've KNOWN, but just couldn't bring myself to DO.  

With my family's medical history, I'd better get my butt (huge that it is :wink: ) in gear and lose weight for my HEALTH'S sake!  

I do want to look better, too.  I used to be able to do something physical without strain, wear pretty clothes and look and feel GOOD in them.  I want that again!!!

How long will being motivated last--who knows?  How successful will I be--who knows?  But I'm gonna ride this train as far as it'll take me!!!!!!  

Last night's chat was just more incentive to try to stick it out.  :cool:

Hello, All...I posted something similar on a support buddy board I host.

We are told to take it one day at a time because looking at the whole picture is too discouraging. Well, it sounds good, but we all know that we do look at the whole picture and how much we have to lose and how long it will take. Well.....

maybe we should break it down into week increments or (any # of days that you want). Be really conscientious about eating healthy, doing moderate exercise and drinking lots of water for a period of time and then give ourselves permission for a treat or a day off. By doing this, we won't feel guilty and have something to look forward to.

WW does something like that...you can bank (save) points and use them on the weekend or a special occasion. You can then splurge a little and not feel guilty because you saved up for it. So you give yourself permission to do it. However, it has to be done within the week. You see, it is the average of the week that gives the weight loss. That is why if you weigh yourself, you shouldn't weigh more than once a week.

It was just a thought and it just might work. I have been on track 3 days now and going for #4. I think I am able to do it because I know I am going away Monday and I plan to splurge alittle...It is grandson's christening and I plan to take the family out to dinner at least once. So, I won't feel guilty...I am doing Ok now. Also...knowing I am going to see family is making me feel better. That loneliness thing again.

I did it again...going on and on. Just wanted to share again.

Let's give it a try and see if it works. Something has to!!

Grace

Well, don't know if I did real bad or not ,but I had liver and onions for dinner with vegetables and mashed potatoes. I didn't eat much of the potates , but I sure gobbled up the liver and onions. I know it has a lot of cholesterol, but figured since I have really, really been good and since we were out for dinner I would just get what I would enjoy. I haven't done that since May. Back to my chicken and fish today though. I did cut down on everything else during the day  so I wouldn't overdo any more than possible. I will be eating like a good girl today :)Hope you all have had good days ,hugs, jeanne

Hi, Jeanne...it doesn't sound too bad to me. Sometimes you just have to have what you crave. Most time our cholesterol is not raised by  dietary cholesterol. It is the saturated fats in our diet...so you are probably alright with your choice for dinner. If you are back to fish and chicken, you will be fine. Every once in a while we need a splurge to keep us going. That is why I posted about scheduling in a treat to keep us motivated.

By the way...I love liver and onions and I cannot even remember the last time I had it. Oh my....I just might have to give in!!

JEANNIE...I agree!  I am trying to ride the motivation train as long as I can also.I have made it through 5 days and I am going for a week. I am anxious to see what the scale says Monday. No change as yet. I could be PMS, but who knows?? The last menses was June 7 and I don't get it all the time anymore. I noticed that I feel PMS from 30 days on from last one and feel that way until I get it, even if it is months down the line. Could be why weigt loss has been so hard. Boy, do we all have our demons and roadblocks.

Hang in there...Grace

I just wanted to let everyone know my correct AOL address is zjsurfer333@aol.com   The one on the automatic link was in error and has been corrected.  If anyone needed the skinnycow info. or WW info. and didn't get a response that might be why!  Also you can still write me at zjsurfer@yahoo.com  I only changed it due to the problem with my zj  id on this board---wouldn't let me use the yahoo address with another id and wouldn't let me post on the zj id!  Auuuuggghhhh!

Zelma

Getting really discouraged!! I haven't lost anything yet and it has been my best week yet!!  I am trying not to throw in the towel but it is getting very hard. I actually was up a lb today. I could have done that with eating anything and everything I wanted. Oh, well. New beginning tomorrow, again. HELP!!

Grace

Grace,

Have you been journaling?  How about the 5 fruit and vegs.?   Another thing to check is to make sure of your portions--sometimes a small bag will say it is two portions and if you only count as one that could double your points.  Don't give up--you can do it!

Zelma

I REALLY enjoyed the chat this past week ladies.   I like the way it's done.  I feel like I know you all even better now...it's more like regular conversation.   And, hey, if we can't be honest here, where can we??   I'll be back, that's for sure.  I've done very well this week.  As long as I stay away from the sugar, I'm ok.  I watch my carbs and keep the fats down too.  It's been a very busy, stressful week, so I'm very proud of me for not buckling under ...  lol!  :biggrin: :biggrin:  Check you gals later...

Hi Ladies its me GGI haven't been able to visit this chat club as of yet.This Tuesday I hope to be there.  I'm 20-25 lbs over weight.  Having put on this weight in the last 3 yrs.  In my normal or should say use to be normal routine, I'm generally a very active gal.  Since the divorce I've become like a prisoner of my own doing.  In this town I don't feel comfortable what so ever.  I don't like to go to any of the stores, mkts, etc.  I always seem to run into people that work with my husband, and people from my old neighborhood.  I know I need to go on with my life, and thats my intention.  To get healthy, physically and emotionally.  This Weight Club sounds like a great great idea.I hope that I remember to check in this Tuesday.I'm looking forward to it.

GG

Hi everyone,Well, I just received the Weight Watcher stuff from my brother. I made a plan for the week of what I will eat according to the points. Hopefully I can stay on it! I really think I can since it basically lets you eat anything you want only in smaller portions. I think this will work very well for me.I found out that I'm eating mostly the right way. I do have to add more vegies and try to eat more fruit though. And a big WTG , Maniac:) that is great!! It's so nice to feel some control over this eating stuff. I like knowing I am more powerful than a dish of ice cream -heeheeHope to see everyone Tusday at the diet chat. (I still hate that word-diet) See you at the "eatignright " chat :)hugs, jeanneP.S. GG make sure you come too! the more the better

Hi, ALL!!

Zelma...thanks for the tips...I was being very good with the WW plan, but it just doesn't want to work this time around. I eat so close to that way all the time that it is going to take a lot longer this time. I even bought a notebook to keep track of what I eat and journal my feelings. I am going to regroup and try to do the best I can while I am away. Bringing all the materials with me.

Jeanne...That is great that you got the WW info. You will do great on it. As long as you eat the 5 fruits and veggies, drink your water and get tje dairy requirements in, you will have lots to eat. One trick I use is that I eat the foods with the most fiber to help satisfy and not waste the points on empty foods. Look for Kashi Go Lean and Two Good Friends cereal.

GG...hope to see you at chat!! We are there to support you emotionally as well give support and encouragement for getting fit and healthy.

Maniac...Good for you for sticking to your plan. It was a good chat and I am looking forward to Tues' chat also.

I really hope to be there, but if I am not, it is because I am in Va Beach visiting with family.

Hang in there all.

Grace

Hi Ladies its me GGWould Dearest or someone please send me an email to remind me of the club tomorrow.  I'm on the Pacific Coast.  Looking forward to seeing all of you.P. S.  I did do my walk yesterday, not quite the 2 miles but thats ok, will do a little bit more the next time.Thank you for the support

As much as we've talked about what types of food we can and can't eat, I thought this article was interesting---according to it--it doesn't matter as far as gaining weight--just those wonderful calories!  ;-)

"To: zjsurfer@yahoo.com Subject: Combo Mumbo Jumbo - RealAge Tip of the Day      Combo Mumbo Jumbo

Combination diets that restrict the way in which you combine foods at mealtime are no more effective for weight loss than a balanced diet. In one study, participants on a low-calorie diet lost approximately the same amount of weight regardless of whether they ate balanced meals or ate carbohydrates and fats separately. Experts agree that when it comes to weight loss, it's the calories that count, not the way you combine your foods.

RealAge Benefit: Maintaining your weight and body mass index at a desirable level can make your RealAge as much as 6 years younger. "

Sounds good, but it the portions and the frequency that is my problem. I did good all but one day this week, and this week hopefully I can do good for all 7 days.Going to get some more fruits and vegies and see if I can eat more of them. I wonder if sweet potato is ok to have 3 or 4 times a week? I love them and can't have white potatoes. Are the carbs in sweet potatoes ok?So many questions about this eating thing-wish I could just go to Burger King and forget the whole thing *SIGH*hugs,trying to be good, jeanne

For WW sweet potatoes count the same as white in points--so sure!  Just depends what you put on them that can add lots of points (butter, ect.).

;-)

Me and my sweet potatoes thank you Zel :)hugs, jeanne

I just lost 1.6 lbs at WW weigh in today!  Whoop!!!That much closer to my personal goal which is lower than the WW goal I reached a year ago May.

Zelma

Well you skinny thing you CONGRATULATIONS !!!That is great Zel keep up the good work.:cheesy:

hugs, jeanne

Well, I'm still sticking to my work out plan and watching my eating like a hawk!  I did blow it a bit today.  One of my daughter's best friends is getting married next month and I attended one of her showers today.  I HAD to have a piece of cake...it was TO DIE FOR!!   Oh ma gawd....I sound like a sugar-holic...UGH!   I'm even going to incorporate swimming laps into my workout routine, at least 2 days a week.   I bought my goggles this evening.  Anyway, that's the latest.  I'm so glad we started the weekly chat.  It's something to look forward to...and keeps me from having to tell on myself for cheating...lol!  Everyone have a great weekend!

Well, I just can't walk outside with my dumb pulled calf muscle, so hubby refurbished my treadmill. I think I'm ready to use it now. The doc said start out slow since my heart attack, but I am doing well so I think a few minutes a few times a day should be ok. I'll check with him for sure on Monday.Doing well on my eating ,and shopped with the idea of eating more vegies and fruit. Bought sugarless sweets, bananas, apricots  and the like . Only way for me to do it , is just not buy it. - hey , that sounds like a slogan :biggrin:Have a nice night everyone :)hugs, jeanne

Jeanne,

I'll second that motion!  If it's not in the house, then it's not there to tempt you!!!   For me, also, if it's not on the plate (eating out) then I won't eat it---so I ask for the entre without items I don't want to have to count points on---if it hits the plate, it probably will get eaten so it's best it never makes it there!!!

Zelma

Sometimes the only way to make things work is to laugh at them, hard as it may be:

I am in shape.Round is a shape.

I am a nutritional overachiever.

Practice safe eating-always use condiments.

Brain cells come and brain cells go,but fat cells live forever.

LOL, Dearest!!!  :smile:

Too funny Dearest , lol i love it !hugs, jeanne