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marie61
I am thinking of trying the Revival Soy. I am too confused with all the conflicting reports on BHRT (progesterin helps insomnia/makes it worse, relieves anxiety/makes it worse, etc. Same with estrogen). I am also concerned about the post where many have reported weight gain on BHRT. I am 7 lbs up as of this morning and will not take the chance on ANYTHING that will make me gain more sad.gif My tummy, which used to be flat as a board with cut & toned abs, is now CONSTANTLY bloated. It makes me sick and disgusted to look in the mirror. All that hard work all those years for nothing.............. I'm worried Revival may make the bloat worse. Does the Revival cause just flatulance and gas pain or also bloating? Which has less chance of gas/bloating - the bars or the shakes? I plan on using unsweetened if I buy the shakes. Has anyone had diarrhea (sp?) from the shakes or been constipated from the 600 mg of calcium added? I have mild IBS that fluctuates between diarrhea and constipation and had a bad experience with calcium supplements and constipation. Thanks for any input.
T’Pow
Revival shakes {stomping on box...stomp!...stomp!} made my IBS 100 times worse. I was bloated as big as a 9month pregnant woman, AND I had gas.
One of the bars was coated in that fake chocolate and I immediately developed diarrhea. After 3 weeks of misery, I sent them back for a refund. The company honored their agreement and refunded my money with great customer service charm.

Gas AND big time bloat. The day after I stopped forcing down the shake, my flat tummy started coming back. 3 days later, no bloat.

All the best!
T'Pow
chauchat
I have found that the bars didn't affect me too much, but I gained 5 lbs drinking shakes for 2 weeks or so. !!
BHRT didn't cause me to gain weight; it seemed to stop the rapid weight gain.

Obviously everyone has a different experience. Trial and error! (I hate those words, but can't seem to get around it).
dolllady
I guess everyone is different. Revival soy shakes do not cause either gas or bloating for me at all. Nor does it cause me any weight gain, although I must say that possibly the formula you use may have an effect. For example, I use the banana flavored unsweetened soy. I mix it a blender with a banana, plain organic unsweetened yogurt, and a dash of cinnamon. If you are using the formula with sugar, I would think that the sugar could very likely cause weight gain (I know it would with me). Also, the other sweeteners that they use such as Sucralose can cause reactions in some people. Maybe trying the unsweetened would help? I believe Revival also sells an enzyme that you can take to prevent gas and bloating if it's an issue....kind of a "Beano" type of idea.
Shakti
I did not like the taste of the shakes and the bars gave me terrilble gas and bloating. The rasberry chocolate ones gave me the worst gas and tummy troubles. I can't remember for sure but I think that they are low carb or something. Such a shame as I hoped for them to work for me. Some people love them and have great sucess.
Careergrl
I used Revival for a while during peri. It helped my energy level and flashes but I was allergic to the soy. I became terribly bloated and had horrific hemorroid problems, even worse than when I was pregnant.

SusanC
Iradan
I can't tolerate soy in any form, may be a little of unsweetened soy milk on rare ocation.
I have read that many ppl allergic to soy and if you continue to consume it in large quantities (concetrated soy PP), it may seriously damage intestinal lining, which will cause more problem down the road.
I have came across this article on WP website, it is about soy and digestion.
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Soy Carbohydrates: The Flatulence Factor

By Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, CCN

Soy is an incomparable gas producer--the King of Musical Fruits.

Abdominal bloating, rumbling and flatus experienced by vegetarians and other heavy soyfood eaters make soy the butt of a great deal of bathroom humor. Unfortunately it is no laughing matter for the many people struggling with health problems who have been advised to eat more soy but cannot abide the consequences to their marriages, relationships, jobs and self image. Such people often ask Dr. Andrew Weil and other soy proponents to help them choose the types and brands of soy that will give them the supposed health benefits of soy minus the killer gas.1
THE BOTTOM LINE

In fact, neither Dr. Weil nor anyone else has completely solved this problem. The obvious solution is to steer clear of soy. Since the average American prefers to do just that, the soy industry has acknowledged that the "flatulence factor" must be overcome if soyfoods are ever to become a major part of the American diet.2,3

Accordingly, research dollars have poured into studies with titles such as "Flavor and flatulence factors in soybean protein products," "Effects of various soybean products on flatulence in the adult man," "Development of a technique for the in vivo assessment of flatulence in dogs" and so forth. Studies comparing types of soyfoods (tempeh, tofu, soy protein isolate, etc.) and/or different strains of soybeans (hybrid or genetically engineered) in terms of their flatulence potential are commonplace. Test subjects have included rats, college students and other animals. "Containment devices" have included gas-tight pantaloons sealed to the skin at the waist and thighs using duct tape and equipped with two ports. Qualified scientists have measured numbers of incidences per hour and day: the quantities of gas ejected per incident, the proportions of hydrogen, methane, carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulfide, methanethiol and other gases; and even propulsion force and noise levels. In addition, researchers have called on professional "odor judges" to make subjective measurements of bodily emissions.

Despite these fine efforts, scientists have not completely identified the "flatulence factor" in soybeans and can propose only partial solutions.

THE TWO STOOGES: RAF AND STACH

The chief culprit, as with all beans, is the oligosaccharides in the carbohydrate portion. The word oligosaccharides comes from oligo (few) and saccharides (sugars). The best known oligosaccharides in beans are raffinose and stachyose. They require the enzyme alpha-galactosidase to be digested properly. Unfortunately, humans and other mammals do not come so equipped.

The result is that the pair--whom we'll call Raf and Stach--pass through the small intestine unscathed to arrive in the large intestine, where they are attacked by armies of hungry bacteria. The digestive fermentation that takes place always results in gas and sometimes in odor. The precise amount and specific smell varies widely from person to person and also depends upon gender, age and the demographics of each individual's gut population.4 Several reports indicate that the increased availability of flatulent foods causes anaerobic bacteria to reproduce. Eating more such foods results in a "rapid rate of gas production," with the possibility of faster, more explosive results every time additional foods of this ilk appear in the intestine.5-7

Although a few people seem able to eat soy without gassing up, studies on soybean digestion often refer to "excessive volume" and "noxious odor." Malodorous methane (CH4) and hydrogen sulfide (H2S) gases are produced in greater amounts by infants fed soy formula.8 The highly volatile and toxic H2S has been linked to many intestinal disorders, particularly ulcerative colitis.9

Over the years scientists have done their darndest to find a way to either reduce the presence of Raf and Stach in soybean products or to cut out the entire carbohydrate load. Carbohydrates in soy generally constitute 30 percent of the bean and break down into soluble sugars of sucrose (5 percent), stachyose (4 percent), raffinose (1 percent) and insoluble fiber (20 percent). The insoluble fiber consists of cellulose and pectins, which are not digested by the enzymes of the GI tract, and which absorb water and swell considerably. Unlike other beans, soybean carbohydrate contains very little starch (which humans can digest)--less than 1 percent.10,11

Neither home cooking nor high-temperature industrial heating processes dispatch Raf and Stach. They are stubbornly heat stable. However, germination, which occurs during the fermentation process, will dramatically reduce the amount of these sugars, with a complete disappearance of the oligosaccharides on the third day. Incubation with microrganisms or enzymes derived from microorganisms also has this good effect.12 Thus, old-fashioned soy products such as miso, tempeh and natto rarely cause gas but modern, heat-processed products that still contain the carbohydrate portion of the bean (soy flour, for example) create copious amounts. Among the modern processed products, soy protein concentrate is said to produce the least gas because its carbohydrate portion has been extracted by alcohol. Soy protein isolate (SPI) is almost pure protein and thus considered practically free of "flatulence factors." 13-17

In theory, tofu should be a low gas producer because oligosaccharides concentrate in the whey (the soaking liquid) and not the curds (the part sold as tofu).18 Some Raf and Stach remain, however, and tofu is a gas producer for many consumers. The probable reason is that the product is eaten in such large quantities that even the small proportion of Raf and Stach that remain in the curd are enough to set off a feeding frenzy among colon bacteria.

In fact, science confirms the anecdotes of many soy consumers--that eating a little soy produces minimal gas, but eating just a bit more can result in discomfort or embarrassment. A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition showed no significant increase in flatus frequency after ingestion of 34 grams (about two tablespoons) of soymilk, but a major increase after 80 grams (about one-third cup). The researchers found that as the rate of gas production in the colon increased, smaller proportions were absorbed by the body and larger amounts expelled through the rectum.19 Thus, it is no wonder that soy consumption can so easily become a social problem. To make matters worse, soy inhibits a zinc-containing enzyme known as carbonic anhydrase, which helps transport gases across the intestinal wall. If carbonic anhydrase is neutralized, gas builds up in the colon. Hydrogen sulfide in the cecum has been reduced fivefold by supplementing with zinc, a mineral blocked by the phytates in soy and in short supply anyway in many soy-eaters' diets.20

The question remains why certain individuals experience stupendous amounts of gas even when they consume soyfoods that are virtually devoid of Raf and Stach. Imbalances in gut flora caused by trypsin inhibitors (which inhibit protein digestion) may be part of the problem, though undigested protein itself is not. Circulating levels of insulin, gastrin, gastric inhibitory polypeptide, pancreatic polypeptide and neurotensin are affected by trypsin inhibitors, but do not seem involved in flatulent dyspepsia.21

Soy-food eaters who suffer from truly excessive amounts of gas may be victims of undiagnosed soy allergies or sensitivities, and/or celiac disease. Obvious allergic symptoms to soy include sneezing, runny nose, hives, diarrhea, facial swelling, swollen tongue, shortness of breath and anaphylactic shock. Delayed allergic responses are less dramatic but even more common, and may manifest as gastrointestinal disturbances, including excess gas. Diarrhea, bloating and flatulence in celiac sufferers result not only from the consumption of wheat gluten and dairy products, but from even tiny amounts of soy.22 Soy saponins and lectins, which damage the mucosal lining of the intestine, may also be contributing to these gas and bloating problems.
RUNNING OUT OF GAS

One solution proposed by the soy industry is genetically modified strains of soybeans that are low in the two stooges Raf and Stach. Plant scientists have already developed a strain known as "High Sucrose Soybeans" that contains more sucrose and less indigestible carbohydrates than ordinary beans. It also lacks the lipoxygenase-2 enyzme that gives soy its infamous "beany" taste. The industry hopes that the modified bean, with taste improved and flatulence eliminated, will be popular with makers of soy milk and tofu.23,24

Another possibility--not seriously proposed for humans--is antibiotics. Animal studies have shown that antibiotics destroy anaerobic bacteria in the intestinal tract that eat Raf and Stach and cause gas, thus improving the smell of chicken coops and barnyards.25
FULL OF BEANO

Until such "low gas" beans come on the market, soy proponents recommend that afflicted parties take Beano™ with their soy. This was the solution proposed by soy industry spokeswoman Clare Hasler, PhD, to a consumer who said he enjoyed eating tofu and drinking soymilk but wondered what to do about levels of gas that were "almost too embarrassing to discuss" and which made him unable to "stand the smell of myself."26 Beano™ is an over-the-counter supplement containing alpha galactosidase, the enzyme required to break down the raffish oligosaccharides into simple digestible sugars. Sometimes this works, but many times it doesn't. Beano™ will not reduce gas caused by soy allergies or intolerances, or by celiac disease.

The best solution for people who wish to eat soy is to choose old-fashioned fermented soy products like miso, tempeh and natto. With soaking and fermenting, the content of the oligosaccharides decreases while the levels of alpha-galactosidase increase.27 Proper preparation helps reduce trypsin inhibitors, saponins and other contributors to indigestion and to bowel disturbances, along with the gas-producing duo Raf and Stach.

For gas-afflicted folks who are addicted to the taste of tofu or to modern soy products, there is one other solution--a seat cushion packed with a charcoal filter. The medical journal Gut recently reviewed this product favorably, concluding that it "effectively limits the escape of these sulfur-containing gases into the environment."28 Current Treatment Options in Gastroenterology further recommended the cushion as a viable solution for "the noxious odor associated with flatus," saying that "the charcoal cushion may improve patients' symptoms."29 Taking charcoal internally will not do the trick. 30
FLATUS WITH STATUS

Meanwhile, the soy industry has begun singing its version of the popular childhood song "The more you toot, the better you feel. Let's eat soy with every meal." Gas--we are being told--could be a good thing, and consumers might wish to reconsider their long-standing request for a new and improved "low gas" soy.

As Mark Messina,.PhD, puts it, "there may be some beneficial effects associated with oligosaccharide consumption. Because of their growth-promoting effect on bifidobacteria, the oligosaccharides might promote the health of the colon, increase longevity and decrease colon cancer risk."31 This observation totally ignores research showing that the trypsin inhibitors present in soybeans adversely affect gut flora and allow more pathogenic strains to establish in the intestine32 and confuses the nasty oligosaccharides in soy with another type of oligosaccharides known as the fructooligo-saccharides consumers have used effectively to feed friendly bacteria and promote gastrointestinal health. Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, Dr. Messina would prefer to believe that since soy is a good thing, then the soy constituents Raf and Stach help feed good (never bad) bacteria and produce only the finest, healthiest gas.

Should consumers remain unconvinced, the industry still proposes to benefit. Japanese researchers have come up with a new miracle supplement-- soybean oligosaccharides in powder form to be used as a substitute for table sugar and sprinkled directly on foods.33
Do hold your breath.

There are more articles on soy on Weston Price website and teh whole soy story website.
HTH
Ethans NaNa
Hello,

I just started taking Revival Soy Vanilla Pleasure unsweatened shakes. I use half in the morning and th rest in the evening. YESTERDAY I boke it into three servings and sipped it three times. I took the digestive enzyme by Revival the first time and it worked fine. The second and third days, I didn't use the enzyme and had a lottle gas but not much because I only used half or less at one time. I'm happy with the product. I add a little of my own sweetner, liquid sucrolose that I got from the internet, from Canada. Can't get it here in the USA. Hope this helps. I don't have IBS.

Ethan's Nana
Iradan
QUOTE (Ethans NaNa @ Apr 3 2007, 08:17 PM) *
Hello,

I just started taking Revival Soy Vanilla Pleasure unsweatened shakes. I use half in the morning and th rest in the evening. YESTERDAY I boke it into three servings and sipped it three times. I took the digestive enzyme by Revival the first time and it worked fine. The second and third days, I didn't use the enzyme and had a lottle gas but not much because I only used half or less at one time. I'm happy with the product. I add a little of my own sweetner, liquid sucrolose that I got from the internet, from Canada. Can't get it here in the USA. Hope this helps. I don't have IBS.

Ethan's Nana

Ethan's Nana,
I bought liquid splenda 3 years ago from Canadian website, i had 3 bottles and I am almost out. Last time I looked up the website I bought it from is gone, and I found one thaat charges tripple price. Could, you, please, PM me the site you buy it from. I used to pay $25 for 8 oz bottle of liquid spelnda, if I knew, I would buy more.
Thanks,
I.
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