Olay Regenerist, My hot flashes have faded since I started using this Options

[witsend]

Janet: I use the microsculpting one too (red jar) and it's a nice product. I pay about 28 dollars for it where I live (midwestern US), but I think in the UK the price goes way up because of the VAT.

Did anyone notice that Olay now has a "professional" line out that is pretty pricey (like 46 dollars per product)? Anyone try it? I saw the "starter kit" on offer for 61.99.

[frozentundra]

This is a fascinating post.

Just another theory to interpose....


The second ingredient in the cream you mention is NIACINAMIDE, A B VITAMIN, heavy hitter for anxiety and used to help reduce cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. It may be reducing your hot flashes and its cheap CHEAP cheap to buy at any drugstore or pharmacy.


What if the parabens had nothing positive to do with it whatsoever? They are in absolutely everything you put on your skin that is non organic.

What if you just took NIACINIMIDE (no flush niacin) orally or created your own night cream by grinding the niacinamide and adding it yo whatever you use now? (You might try straight olive, avocado or almond oil.) The only thing it needs to do is ABSORB. Would be interesting to contact Olay and ask them how many MG Niacinamide are in EACH suggested useage amount or dose of the cream.

To be the second ingredient, it has to be relatively significant.

shalom

[frozentundra]

This is a fascinating post.

Just another theory to interpose....


The second ingredient in the cream you mention is NIACINAMIDE, A B VITAMIN, heavy hitter for anxiety and used to help reduce cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. It may be reducing your hot flashes and its cheap CHEAP cheap to buy at any drugstore or pharmacy.


What if the parabens had nothing positive to do with it whatsoever? They are in absolutely everything you put on your skin that is non organic.

What if you just took NIACINIMIDE (no flush niacin) orally or created your own night cream by grinding the niacinamide and adding it yo whatever you use now? (You might try straight olive, avocado or almond oil.) The only thing it needs to do is ABSORB. Would be interesting to contact Olay and ask them how many MG Niacinamide are in EACH suggested useage amount or dose of the cream.

To be the second ingredient, it has to be relatively significant.

shalom

OOPS, sorry, fourth ingredient not second.

Also, please be aware that anything transdermal will get into your system more efficiently than orally because it has to go through the liver pass. Thats why we get megaMG orally and much less transdermally.

I would seriously check out that aluminum ingredient...aluminum builds in the brain and is nearly impossible to detox out...it is linked with alzheimers.

OKAY then!

[frozentundra]

heres the poop on it for ya....

Nicotinamide
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicotinamide
Nicotinamide, also known as niacinamide and nicotinic acid amide, is the amide of nicotinic acid (vitamin B3). Nicotinamide is a water-soluble vitamin and is part of the vitamin B group. Nicotinic acid, also known as niacin, is converted to niacinamide in vivo, and though the two are identical in their vitamin functions, niacinamide does not have the same pharmacologic and toxic effects of niacin, which occur incidental to niacin's conversion. Thus niacinamide does not reduce cholesterol or cause flushing,[1] although nicotinamide may be toxic to the liver at doses exceeding 3 g/day for adults.[2] In cells, niacin is incorporated into nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP), although the pathways for nicotinamide and nicotinic acid are very similar. NAD+ and NADP+ are coenzymes in a wide variety of enzymatic oxidation-reduction reactions.[3]

Contents [hide]
1 Use in medicine
2 See also
3 References
4 External links



[edit] Use in medicine
Nicotinamide has demonstrated anti-inflammatory actions which may be of benefit in patients with inflammatory skin conditions.[4] These conditions include acne vulgaris, and the compound can suppress antigen induced-lymphocytic transformation and inhibit of 3'-5' cyclic AMP phosphodiesterase. Nicotinamide has demonstrated the ability to block the inflammatory actions of iodides known to precipitate or exacerbate inflammatory acne.

Animal studies show that nicotinamide has anti-anxiety (anxiolytic) properties. It may work in a way similar to benzodiazepines.[5]
Nicomide (take note the naming similarity), is an acne medication, and in its vitamin supplement form, the most predominant ingredient is 750 mg of nicotinamide, based on this area of research.

Nicotinamide lacks the vasodilator, gastrointestinal, hepatic, and hypolipemic actions of nicotinic acid. As such nicotinamide has not been shown to produce the flushing, itching and burning sensations of the skin as is commonly seen when large doses of nicotinic acid are administered orally. However, nicotinamide can produce liver toxicity at doses above 3 grams per day.[6] In overall, it rarely causes side effects, and is considered generally safe as a food additive, component in cosmetics and medication.[7]

Nicotinamide is produced by the aqueous ammonolysis of 3-cyanopyridine (nicotinonitrile) and subsequent crystallisation.

Nicotinamide has been reported to restore cognition in Alzheimer's Disease transgenic mice.[8]

Nicotinamide has been reported to increase the endurance of mice.[9]

Nicotinamide, or Vitamin B3, prevents immunosuppression caused by UVA and UVB radiation, and could be added to sunscreen.[10]

Nicotinamide has been reported to be an effective skin whitener in topical application. [11]

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Today I ran out of lotion that I usually get at the health food store, and went in my daughter's bathroom to get hers. I noticed that her father's lotion was on her counter and I couldn't find her lotion so I used it... Instantly, I felt odd, like something was going on with my body...a couple of miniutes later a hot flash... I couldn't figure out what was going on, but I needed to finish lotioning so I went back in the bathroom and picked up the lotion and finished lotioning my body... More odd sensations... As I sat down on the bed, something said look at the ingredients...to my surprise it contained two different parabens...

Now, I'm not so concerned about what my exhusband uses on his body, as I have stated before it is what my dd (12) puts on her body that is important! He moved in with us six months ago, that lotion has been in her bathroom all this time and I discovered today that she has been using it consistently. In the last 3 months her cycles come every 23 days instead of every 28 days, she also now gets headaches during her menstrual cycle. Her moods lately have been very irratic! Is there a connection, are these ingredients insignficant? Given my reaction to the lotion, I think so. The lotion in question is Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry Skin Moisturizer. I'm sure it's much cheaper than the Oil of Olay products....and BHRT.

After contacting my dd's pediatrician, she suggested that I make sure that she doesn't use these anymore, since she did begin puberty very early..age six when she started getting pubic hair at which point I started getting rid of products that contained these types of estrogens!

Just food for thought...or not!

TJ

[Gia*]

Today I ran out of lotion that I usually get at the health food store, and went in my daughter's bathroom to get hers. I noticed that her father's lotion was on her counter and I couldn't find her lotion so I used it... Instantly, I felt odd, like something was going on with my body...a couple of miniutes later a hot flash... I couldn't figure out what was going on, but I needed to finish lotioning so I went back in the bathroom and picked up the lotion and finished lotioning my body... More odd sensations... As I sat down on the bed, something said look at the ingredients...to my surprise it contained two different parabens...

Now, I'm not so concerned about what my exhusband uses on his body, as I have stated before it is what my dd (12) puts on her body that is important! He moved in with us six months ago, that lotion has been in her bathroom all this time and I discovered today that she has been using it consistently. In the last 3 months her cycles come every 23 days instead of every 28 days, she also now gets headaches during her menstrual cycle. Her moods lately have been very irratic! Is there a connection, are these ingredients insignficant? Given my reaction to the lotion, I think so. The lotion in question is Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry Skin Moisturizer. I'm sure it's much cheaper than the Oil of Olay products....and BHRT.

After contacting my dd's pediatrician, she suggested that I make sure that she doesn't use these anymore, since she did begin puberty very early..age six when she started getting pubic hair at which point I started getting rid of products that contained these types of estrogens!

Just food for thought...or not!

TJ

VERY INTERESTING!!! I've been using Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry for years. Ive used this stuff by the buckets full. I have to wonder if this contributed to going into full menopause at 45.

[Sariah]

Wow, TJ, these connections with parabens to overt estrogenic effects are very troubling. While I've always known parabens had this property and were to be avoided, I just never knew how potent they could be, and that they so quickly have endocrine effects. That is amazing that it could affect you so quickly, I'm stunned actually.

Now with you DD's symptoms, it makes me wonder if this is the answer to why so many women are having such awful PMS and menopause symptoms, far worse than the generations before us.

And Tea Tree Oil is in everything, as is lavender, and who knows what other things lurk in our lotions, shampoos, conditioners, soaps, etc. Just think, if you use any of those things that not only have parabens, but TTO or lavender also, then it's a double whammy.

Be careful with you DD's shampoos and conditioners since they often have parabens and phytoestogenic substances.

Check out these posts: http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/forums/threa...909&page=-1

[SKEEWEEAKA]

VERY INTERESTING!!! I've been using Jergens Ultra Healing Extra Dry for years. Ive used this stuff by the buckets full. I have to wonder if this contributed to going into full menopause at 45.

You know, I hate to think about it! It could actually be making menopause worse for you or better since some have suggested they have positive effects from them. My exhusband swears by it but I generally use organic products.

I usually control what comes into the house, but since my exhusband moved back in to help me take care of my dd he has been buying various products and since they are in her bathroom she uses them...heavy sigh! Up until now I didn't really need to have the discussion about which products were bad, etc. but today I sat her down and gave her a list of ingredients that we are just not going to use which obviously means checking the ingredients on everything...which I usually do!

TJ

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Wow, TJ, these connections with parabens to overt estrogenic effects are very troubling. While I've always known parabens had this property and were to be avoided, I just never knew how potent they could be, and that they so quickly have endocrine effects. That is amazing that it could affect you so quickly, I'm stunned actually.

Now with you DD's symptoms, it makes me wonder if this is the answer to why so many women are having such awful PMS and menopause symptoms, far worse than the generations before us.

And Tea Tree Oil is in everything, as is lavender, and who knows what other things lurk in our lotions, shampoos, conditioners, soaps, etc. Just think, if you use any of those things that not only have parabens, but TTO or lavender also, then it's a double whammy.

Be careful with you DD's shampoos and conditioners since they often have parabens and phytoestogenic substances.

Check out these posts: http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/forums/threa...909&page=-1

Sariah, I swear to you that I couldn't figure it out and it took me about 10 minutes to realize what was happening! Normally, I would not have even noticed because I would have been in such a fog. However, I took my first dose of Armour today and took a nap and after I got up I felt strangely "sane" (had even exercised ) so I was feeling good when I put on the lotion...clear mind...knock on wood!!!

I put those oils on my dd's list as well...and the shampoos that I buy are the only ones that she is using...he uses dandruff shampoo so that is not a problem. I couldn't understand her moods of late, because usually she is very calm and happy but she has been having angry outbursts since around thanksgiving but I chaulked it up to hormones....I'm guessing I was right!

I'll definitely check out the posts...

Thanks for your help!!!


TJ

[SKEEWEEAKA]

As far as the products that I use, most of them are from the Burt's Bee line... When I catch them on sale I usually stock up and so I thought my dd was still using hers but apparently had run out months ago!

Sariah, I noticed they discontinued that shampoo the guy was using who developed the huge gut and lost his libido because of the high estrogen levels in his body. Those before and after photos were something!

TJ

[jhawley]

OK. So after reading through all the posts, I am so very confused. Can anyone kind of recap all this info? Is the cream yes,ok to use....or no and which one is it? And the deoderant thing. OH my.......alot of info

[Careergrl]

If you look back at the first post, you will see that the poster was saying she had good luck getting rid of her hot flashes using Olay Regenerist micro-sculpting and night cream by rubbing it into her inner elbows and wrists. That was the original intent of the thread. I have been on the P-S Forum for 13 years and I have often seen a post hyjacked and go off the original topic. It seems that there always has to be some sort of debate going on, i.e. natural vs. un-natural, B-Hrt Vs. HRT...In this case, parabens vs. no parabens.

Using Regenerist Microsculpting cream has dramatically lessened my morning anxiety. I am NOT able to take any kind of hormone, so for me, finding this thread has been a miracle. There are many of us on here who are always on the look-out for something over the counter that we can use for meno symptoms. I can't use soy as I am allergic to it. I can't use B-HRT because of high blood pressure.

I am nine years post.

CG

[davinci817]

Okay so glad it is working for some of the gals. I am curious though if this couldn't be doing some gals harm though, as in getting more E than needed. Shouldn't these products be labeled or controlled some how too? The more I read and farther I go into my journey, I am becoming quite ticked at the fact we have so many hormones coming at us from so many directions. It seems obvious that it is really messing with our systems as women.

I stick with Burt's Bee or Arbonne for my skin care, sick of getting crap I don't need into my body.

[janet c]

Getting more E than needed is not actually a problem for some of us here who cannot use HRT. I do not have my ovaries and I am happy for anything to help with the meno symptoms! If they are bad enough and you can't take HRT you just don't care-trust me!
I agree with Careergirl-the whole point of this thread has been hijacked. I don't care about the parabens aspect and I am not particularly bothered about all the in depth discussions about it. Sorry-don't mean to be rude
I have bought some Olay cream from Ebay and can't wait to try it-so thanks to natesnonni for pointing it out

[davinci817]

Getting more E than needed is not actually a problem for some of us here who cannot use HRT. I do not have my ovaries and I am happy for anything to help with the meno symptoms! If they are bad enough and you can't take HRT you just don't care-trust me!
I agree with Careergirl-the whole point of this thread has been hijacked. I don't care about the parabens aspect and I am not particularly bothered about all the in depth discussions about it. Sorry-don't mean to be rude
I have bought some Olay cream from Ebay and can't wait to try it-so thanks to natesnonni for pointing it out

HOnestly not questioning the women here, we all know we have issues. More referring to all the others out there that have no idea they are adding extra hormones into their system that they don't need. A little bit from this, a little bit from that, next thing you know you are in your 30's with breast cancer or other female issues and can't understand why. My problem/question is if it is truly healthy for us (women as a whole) to be getting all of this added junk?

[Sariah]

Saying this thread was hijacked presumes it went into a discussion totally unrelated to the original post. Getting into a discussion about why the Regenerist would have that effect, and then discussing the pros and cons of that is directly related to the original post, IMHO.

[janet c]

I refer you to our seasoned poster -Careergirl's -message.
I think she is saying the post has been hijacked, because the original post was about treatment for hot flashes.
If people wish to discuss the effect of parabens and other xenoestrogens then they should start another thread to do so.

Nothing wrong with discussing it but maybe start a new thread?


janet c

[Sariah]

I refer you to our seasoned poster -Careergirl's -message.
I think she is saying the post has been hijacked, because the original post was about treatment for hot flashes.
If people wish to discuss the effect of parabens and other xenoestrogens then they should start another thread to do so.

Nothing wrong with discussing it but maybe start a new thread?


janet c

Janet,
This sort of thing happens all the time without anyone commenting and nothing is said. Are there specific guidelines about exactly what constitutes hijacking so that we all can be clear about this?

[janet c]

Its not me who originally said it so ask careergirl.
janet c

[witsend]

Hey Janet ... If Olay really had that effect on breasts .... plastic surgeons would never allow it to be sold. lol

[janet c]

Well I don't have any estrogen left and my boobs are still pretty good-heaven knows what they will be like after a course of Olay

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Please understand, I was not trying to hijack the thread..that was not my intent! The poster was speaking on what the product was doing for her and I added the information so that she COULD BE AWARE of what she was using and WHY she was experiencing what she did! I also added the other information about myself and my dd so that ANYONE who possibly finds this thread understands the pros and the cons of using it before they go that route.

I, for one, thoroughly understand how desperate we are to get rid of these unwanted symptoms! However, adding unneeded estrogen to my already dominant estrogen body, at least in the luteal phase, is not something that I personally want to do. I just wanted EVERYONE to know that these estrogenic chemicals that are in our environment are causing harm to some, namely our children and grandchildren because they and their parents do not know better. I posted the NAME of the Jergen's product for those who WANT TO USE IT and for those WHO DON'T! For those who don't have to worry about their children or think that this is ridiculous, well all I have to say is think about how you would feel if it were YOUR CHILD experiencing these unwanted symptoms (change in periods, change in moods, headaches, any of that sound familiar) that some of us are going through right now at the age of 12!!! Because of that, those products are no longer in my daughter's possession or mine...and Burt's Bee's products have now replaced those.

Anyone interested in other natural products for their children or for themselves can go to thegoodhuman.com.

Best wishes to EVERYONE on your road to IMPROVED HEALTH...


TJ

[frozentundra]

Maybe the poster should give a HIJACKED warning when she feels her topic is being critically diverted.

On the other hand, the only resolutions offered in MOST of these threads or topics have required sidelining to cover.

It's like there are alot of talking heads here but the vast majority are not really interested in the facts. As I said once before, alot of people on this site just want to hear themselves and aren't seeking input or resolution.

This cream seems to work for some of you. The minute parabens listed could NOT POSSIBLY have caused hot flashes and anxiety to subside...even with a nightly accumulation. The amount absorbed is so small at that point on the list your body should be able to dump it pretty quickly.

DID ANY OF YOU READ MY POST ABOUT AN INGREDIENT MUCH HIGHER ON THE LIST...NICOTINAMIDE AND ITS EFFECTS? BENZODIAZAPENE LIKE EFFECTS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS B VITAMIN INGREDIENT MAY BE REDUCING THE ANXIETY AND HOT FLASHES BY DIRECTLY AFFECTING SEROTONIN.

Put 2 and 2 together here and try to arrive at 4. You can TAKE NICOTINAMIDE or NO FLUSH NIACIN orally. You can add it to your own creams/butters/oils and avoid the PARABENS and other suspect cancer causing preservatives, stabilizers, colorants, emulsifiers, etc. But the only way you will know if it works is to actually DO IT. It's cheap but the cream you are buying is rather expensive. If the stimulus package doesnt' cover your Regenerist, here is a potentially viable alternative.

[Sariah]

"The minute parabens listed could NOT POSSIBLY have caused hot flashes and anxiety to subside"

Are you sure about this? As we know, things affect people very differently. Are there studies that show it's not possible to feel the effects of the amounts they used?

"DID ANY OF YOU READ MY POST ABOUT AN INGREDIENT MUCH HIGHER ON THE LIST...NICOTINAMIDE AND ITS EFFECTS? BENZODIAZAPENE LIKE EFFECTS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS B VITAMIN INGREDIENT MAY BE REDUCING THE ANXIETY AND HOT FLASHES BY DIRECTLY AFFECTING SEROTONIN."

SKEE felt the same effects, yet the product she used had no nicotinamide (correct me if I'm wrong)

[La*la]

Stimulus Package be damned, someone send a sample to be tested, CSI style...

Just wanted to say, that the hype in here nudged me to look twice tonight at a bottle of the red stuff...

Only twenty dollars, Nirvana in a bottle...

I thought of you all as I sat it back on the shelf...

However, I am finding the discussion interesting in here....

You know I find it rather intriguing, that with such public awareness, and so many people choosing products w/o parabens, that I company that large would still choose to use them...

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Maybe the poster should give a HIJACKED warning when she feels her topic is being critically diverted.

On the other hand, the only resolutions offered in MOST of these threads or topics have required sidelining to cover.

It's like there are alot of talking heads here but the vast majority are not really interested in the facts. As I said once before, alot of people on this site just want to hear themselves and aren't seeking input or resolution.

This cream seems to work for some of you. The minute parabens listed could NOT POSSIBLY have caused hot flashes and anxiety to subside...even with a nightly accumulation. The amount absorbed is so small at that point on the list your body should be able to dump it pretty quickly.

DID ANY OF YOU READ MY POST ABOUT AN INGREDIENT MUCH HIGHER ON THE LIST...NICOTINAMIDE AND ITS EFFECTS? BENZODIAZAPENE LIKE EFFECTS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS B VITAMIN INGREDIENT MAY BE REDUCING THE ANXIETY AND HOT FLASHES BY DIRECTLY AFFECTING SEROTONIN.

Put 2 and 2 together here and try to arrive at 4. You can TAKE NICOTINAMIDE or NO FLUSH NIACIN orally. You can add it to your own creams/butters/oils and avoid the PARABENS and other suspect cancer causing preservatives, stabilizers, colorants, emulsifiers, etc. But the only way you will know if it works is to actually DO IT. It's cheap but the cream you are buying is rather expensive. If the stimulus package doesnt' cover your Regenerist, here is a potentially viable alternative.

Froz...the Jergen's didn't contain Nicotinamide but I did make a note of it after you mentioned it initially. That said, speaking of serotonin, the first place I felt that lotion and realized something was going on was IN MY HEAD... I started having seizure like activity...didn't want to mention that before...felt it immediately in my head... It is hard to explain but it feels like sparks in your head... I get that same feeling when I use estrogen, progesterone, AD's, etc. It's like I can actually feel the product being absorbed in my brain! It took a day for the symptoms to wear off!

I also can't understand why a company as large as Jergen's would still be using parabens... Jergen's is much cheaper than the Oil of Olay product, however!


TJ

[janet c]

Quote
"Maybe the poster should give a HIJACKED warning when she feels her topic is being critically diverted"

It is quite common for posters to mention the fact that their post has been "hijacked"
We are all women and have minds that flit all over the place and what can start out as one thread can end up becoming about something completely different.
In this case surely the thread started out as an almost light-hearted one about dabbing a little Olay cream on wrists to treat hot flashes.
It has turned into a really serious debate about parabens and chemicals and what horrors they might cause in our already chemical overloaded bodies.
The two things are surely different topics?
It is like someone posting that they have started HRT and feel marvellous on it and in the very same thread someone else pointing out the fact that -hey -glad its working for you but you do know it may give you cancer or a stroke?And then lots of people joining it on that theme, forgetting about the poor original poster who thought she was imparting something quite nice. The original intent of the thread has been lost.

That is what the hijacking comment is always aimed at. I am sure its not personal-its just to get the original post back on track!
AND LIGHTEN UP PLEASE. I thought the original post was harmless and fun. I notice that poor natesnonna is nowhere to be seen-such a hornets nest has she inadvertently stirred up
When my cream arrives and I have tried it (and probably found it to be useless ) I will start a brand new thread about it- so that sorts that out
I will leave you others to your lively debate.
Hugs to all of you
janet c

[davinci817]

I think it is fine and dandy for people to use these products if they are educated or at least attempting to educate themselves. I guarantee many of us gals here look at the ingredients in our products now a days. Why do we do this? We know we do or don't want the extra additives for our over all well being. Think back before we had problems, did you look for added hormones, and any other bad junk lurking in your skin care products? I sure didn't! If they claimed it fixed something I wanted it.

Now as far as hijacking, I don't think it is hijacking if we are trying to put all of the facts out there. There are women that come here just to read and if they read Olay regenerists makes you feel better and nothing more then we are doing them a disservice imo. If a woman is E dominant she sure doesn't want to be slapping this stuff all over her body! Just because you or I know what the phytoestrogens are and what they come from does not mean the next gal does.


Frozen is taking the right path in buying these products as a single item versus picking up a tub of cream and not knowing how much or what is in it exactly. As I mentioned you get a bit here a bit there and so on and so forth. We as women have been flooded with hormones over the years, and I honestly believe from what I have been reading this is why so many of us are having early menopause and many other female issues be that cancer, miscarriages, masculine bodies, early development of breasts or periods etc. Again it is those women out there that have NO CLUE they are getting all of these extra hormones from products that claim to do one thing or another.

There is always two sides to everything and those should be expressed when we are discussing someones health! I guess we should all read posts like this and say "oh yippy for you" and not explain why it does what it does, good or bad effects it could have on EVERYONE. So you are low in E, fine it might work for you but it won't work for someone high in E it could potentially cause them problems. It would be a whole different problem if one of these gals was screaming, don't use it. They aren't doing that, they are simply trying to get all of the facts in on the subject. There are post on bhrt, hrt, ad's where people literally tell others not to use it because they had issues and that is wrong. They should be able to note their experience and opinion for others to see the potential complications but to out right tell someone not to try something is absurd. Didn't see that happen here.

[Sariah]

Now as far as hijacking, I don't think it is hijacking if we are trying to put all of the facts out there. There are women that come here just to read and if they read Olay regenerists makes you feel better and nothing more then we are doing them a disservice imo. If a woman is E dominant she sure doesn't want to be slapping this stuff all over her body! Just because you or I know what the phytoestrogens are and what they come from does not mean the next gal does.

Exactly. What if this thread had not contained any of the info on parabens and their relation to estrogen? And I was in fact already estrogen dominant had started using it, not realizing the potential problems. Or had had an estrogen positive cancer? Is this helpful to me to disallow discussion of the positives AND possible negatives? Do we really want to blissfully do what makes us feel good and be shielded from posts that contain info that can help us make a more informed decision?

And many women who come here at some later date will go through old topics. If the discussion about parabens and estrogen were not allowed on this topic, but instead had to be started as another topic, women may not ever see the the other topic that related to it and think that Regenerist was the solution to her symptoms, and be totally unaware of the other issues that were raised which may have changed her mind.

[davinci817]

I want to clarify that my comments are not directed to anyone in specific. Written words sometimes don't come across as intended in these sorts of forums. I do see the whole "hijacking a thread" issue in many topics, I am just not seeing it here. My opinion is that we should educate ourselves and anyone else that comes along to the fullest possible degree we can. I have many years of experience on forums and know it is very likely that one person will come along and read the first thread in a topic or bits and pieces (only the parts they want to know) and take it as facts. They run off do whatever it is that they read and then if and when they suffer consequences from that choice they come back blaming the original poster. Sure that is their problem for making such a quick decision, but we have a liability to expand that knowledge from our own experiences in order to help the next suffering woman that might visit us.

So honestly yippy I am truly glad that this product is helping several of you, and that is from my heart. Just remember it might not be the best product for the next gal. Shouldn't the next person that comes along know all of the ifs ands whys and hows too?

Personally I despise AD's, that doesn't mean it will not help many other women. For me it was a useless drug that helped nothing and was prescribed based on the lack of knowledge a Doctor had when it comes to hormone imbalance. I would never tell anyone not to try it and have actually recommended someone give it a go at times. I do however share my problems with AD's because others should be aware that there are risks and possible side effects, or that it might not work at all. I don't think that would put me in the classification of a thread hijacker, I am only trying to help.

Anyways Janet and Career I think highly of you both, always have and I am very happy one or both of you can get some relief from a very common otc product. I was honestly going to offer to post you the cream if it works for you Janet.

Right so I hope I haven't stepped on any toes. Many of you can understand I am angry at our food, drug and cosmetic industries atm. Personally I don't want additives in these things that can or have possibly harmed me. It should be my choice to have extra hormones placed into my body, not some big company hiding it under a name most of us would think was safe.