Olay Regenerist, My hot flashes have faded since I started using this Options

[natesnonni]

Another nutty development. I started using the Olay Regenerist microsculpting and the night cream on my hands and forearems (sun damage) and the pesky hot flashes that used to start the minute I would lay down have faded off into the sunset. I would stop the cream and see if they returned but I'm not that nuts.

And I sympathize because I would get the night roasts rather than the night sweats and would feel like one of those hot dogs left too long on the cooker that spins them round and round and round.

kim

[Webalina]

Hmmm....interesting. I wonder if the manufacturer is aware of that? You may have stumbled onto an added benefit. I don't have a lot of flashes so I can't test it for you. How about it, hot flashing ladies? Anybody up for an experiment?

[Careergrl]

How interesting..I wonder if it has Estrogenic properties?!

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Sounds like estrogen some where....or phytoestrogens...

I checked the label and this is what I found...Water, Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Niacinamide*, Isopropyl Isostearate, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Nylon-12, Dimethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate**, Panthenol***, Sodium Hyaluronate, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-4^, Carnosine^, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract^^, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf^^^, Soluble Collagen, Elastin, Allantoin, Stearyl Alcohol, Polyethylene, Cetyl Alcohol, Sodium Acrylates Copolymer, Behenyl Alcohol, Benzyl Alcohol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Polyacrylamide, Dimethiconol, Peg-100 Stearate, Stearic Acid, Disodium Edta, Cetearyl Glucoside, Cetearyl Alcohol, Citric Acid, C12-13 Pareth-3, Laureth-7, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Sodium Hydroxide, Ammonium Polyacrylate, Phenoxyethanol, Sorbic Acid, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Sodium Benzoate, Mica, Tin Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Fragrance.*Vitamin B3, **Vitamin E, ***Pro-Vitamin B5, ^Amino-Peptide, ^^Green Tea, ^^^Aloe Vera



Then I found this...

Animal experiments have shown that parabens have weak estrogenic activity, acting as xenoestrogens.[16] In an in vivo study, the effect of butylparaben was determined to be approximately 100,000 times weaker than estradiol, although this effect was only observed when employing a dose level which was 25,000 times higher than is actually used to preserve products.[17] As the estrogenic effect is dose-related, it may be calculated that the estrogenic effect at normal use concentrations of butylparaben is 100,000 x 25,000, i.e. 2,500,000,000 times weaker than estradiol. In the same study it was shown that the in vivo estrogenic activity of parabens is reduced by about three orders of magnitude compared to in vitro activity probably through the rapid metabolism of the parabens to the non-estrogenic metabolites. In vivo data are accepted as being more relevant than in vitro data.

The estrogenic activity of parabens increase with the length of the alkyl group. It is believed that propylparaben is estrogenic to a certain degree as well,[18] though this is expected to be less than butylparaben by virtue of its less lipophilic nature.

And we women wonder why we have higher amounts of estrogen in our bodies...it's because of products like these.... Interesting!


TJ

[SKEEWEEAKA]

P.S. That list of parabens on the second from the bottom line explains it all!

TJ

[natesnonni]

So I have basically been estrogenating myself. Well, I don't know. I'm sleeping. I think I'll wean off rather than just stop cold because I really hate to start the sleepless nights again.

Parabens huh. I thought it was bad that I had to give up all the OTC shampoos because the sodium Laurel whatevers made my hair fall out and my skin itch. Just me and Dr Bronner. Now no more lotions and potions.

kim

[witsend]

Why would you stop using it when you like the effects? It can't be a very significant amount of the "estrogenating" properties. Or do you think you're getting too much e from other sources?

[SKEEWEEAKA]

So I have basically been estrogenating myself. Well, I don't know. I'm sleeping. I think I'll wean off rather than just stop cold because I really hate to start the sleepless nights again.

Parabens huh. I thought it was bad that I had to give up all the OTC shampoos because the sodium Laurel whatevers made my hair fall out and my skin itch. Just me and Dr Bronner. Now no more lotions and potions.

kim

I've heard about these parabens before, but NEVER had the nerve to look at the products that I am using... This is why they say our children are having their periods earlier, etc...growing boobs earlier, etc...

I'm not sure about them but thought I'd post what I found... You probably can google them and see what else comes up....

I'm not sure I have the nerve after what I found before...


TJ

[jhawley]

I've heard about these parabens before, but NEVER had the nerve to look at the products that I am using... This is why they say our children are having their periods earlier, etc...growing boobs earlier, etc...

I'm not sure about them but thought I'd post what I found... You probably can google them and see what else comes up....

I'm not sure I have the nerve after what I found before...


TJ

Just perfect! I just googled it and the first article I read talked about finding parabens in breast cancer tumors. When will the maddness stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[witsend]

Concern about parabens is a variation on the myth that antiperspirants (which also contain parabens) cause breast cancer. The Mayo Clinic website lists that -- and by extension all of the paraben scares I would imagine -- as one of the "popular myths about the causes of cancer." There are a lot of sites hawking so called "organic" products that try to hype up these myths in order to sell products they claim are safe.

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Concern about parabens is a variation on the myth that antiperspirants (which also contain parabens) cause breast cancer. The Mayo Clinic website lists that -- and by extension all of the paraben scares I would imagine -- as one of the "popular myths about the causes of cancer." There are a lot of sites hawking so called "organic" products that try to hype up these myths in order to sell products they claim are safe.

With all due respect Wit...there's plenty of research out there..this is not a myth... If they didn't have estrogenic properties, why then would her symptoms abate with usage of this product. I made the post to provide information, what we do with that information is a personal choice!

Parabens

Parabens are a group of compounds widely used as anti-microbial preservatives in food, pharmaceuticals and cosmetics products, including underarm deodorants. Parabens are absorbed through intact skin and from the gastrointestinal tract and blood. Measurable concentrations of six different parabens have been identified in biopsy samples from breast tumors. The particular parabens were found in relative concentrations that closely parallel their use in the synthesis of cosmetic products. Parabens have also been found in almost all urine samples examined from a demographically diverse sample of U.S. adults.

Parabens have been shown to be weak estrogen mimickers, binding to the cellular estrogen receptor (ER). They also increase the expression of genes that are usually regulated by estradiol and cause human breast tumor cells (MCF-7 cells) to grow and proliferate in vitro.

TJ

[Sariah]

TJ,
I totally agree with you about parabens. I've avoided them for a few years due to those concerns.

We also need to be careful about lavender, tea tree oil, and grapefruit seed extract. There have been studies showing that they all have estrogenic effects and they advised moms to not use any products on their children (lotions, etc) that contained lavender and TTO. Kids were developing breasts.

I found a post by a guy who was using TTO shampoo every day and started getting gynomastia (breasts). At first he had no idea why it was happening but after doing research realized it was the TTO shampoo. He posted photos before and after and it was amazing.

My own experience with these has been enlightening. I was using a great TTO deodorant, free of parabens, and could not understand why my breast were feeling sore and swollen. Then I did the research, stopped using it, and never had the problem again UNTIL . . . . .I switched to a natural deodorant with grapefruit seed extract (GSE) which is excellent at killing bacteria, and the same thing happened! At first I did not think the GSE could be the cause since it wasn't one of those mentioned, but then I did find only one tiny piece of info that said it could have estrogenic properties.

So now I'm using the spray Crystal deodorant that is supposed to be safe, but who the heck knows. I don't know what else to do. I've used baking soda and it does work to some extent, but is messy.

[SKEEWEEAKA]

TJ,
I totally agree with you about parabens. I've avoided them for a few years due to those concerns.

We also need to be careful about lavender, tea tree oil, and grapefruit seed extract. There have been studies showing that they all have estrogenic effects and they advised moms to not use any products on their children (lotions, etc) that contained lavender and TTO. Kids were developing breasts.

I found a post by a guy who was using TTO shampoo every day and started getting gynomastia (breasts). At first he had no idea why it was happening but after doing research realized it was the TTO shampoo. He posted photos before and after and it was amazing.

My own experience with these has been enlightening. I was using a great TTO deodorant, free of parabens, and could not understand why my breast were feeling sore and swollen. Then I did the research, stopped using it, and never had the problem again UNTIL . . . . .I switched to a natural deodorant with grapefruit seed extract (GSE) which is excellent at killing bacteria, and the same thing happened! At first I did not think the GSE could be the cause since it wasn't one of those mentioned, but then I did find only one tiny piece of info that said it could have estrogenic properties.

So now I'm using the spray Crystal deodorant that is supposed to be safe, but who the heck knows. I don't know what else to do. I've used baking soda and it does work to some extent, but is messy.

Thanks for this... I checked out my deodorants and they the TTO in them so I need to switch... Thats odd about the lavendar....my mother uses this DAILY and swears that it makes her feel better... Now I thoroughly understand. Tea tree oil I use as well....OMG! I try to use natural products but its difficult finding good brands! Now to know that the "natural" products also have these estrogenic properties....geez!


TJ

[natesnonni]

I am sticking with my Trader Joe's Tea Tree Oil Soap. It is the only thing that keeps me from getting yeastie beasties in hot humid weather!!

[Careergrl]

I've been using my Olay Regenerist on my wrists and inside my elbows for the last 6 nights. I also use tea tree oil on my feet at night. I am not on HRT nor B/HRT and never have been. I am waking up anxiety free for the first time in many years. I would wake up with such dread most days and have awful thoughts. I am 9 years post!! Yes, I know about parabens but I feel like I am in heaven now and have had enough of the anxiety. It can be debilitating as some of you know!!

CG

[binsky]

I've been using my Olay Regenerist on my wrists and inside my elbows for the last 6 nights. I also use tea tree oil on my feet at night. I am not on HRT nor B/HRT and never have been. I am waking up anxiety free for the first time in many years. I would wake up with such dread most days and have awful thoughts. I am 9 years post!! Yes, I know about parabens but I feel like I am in heaven now and have had enough of the anxiety. It can be debilitating as some of you know!!

CG

This is so interesting. I work in a pharmacy, & I can tell you Olay regenerist products sell better than any other one we have. I use the eye serum, day lotion, & night cream. I haven't notice any difference in hot flashes, though..I just happen to love the product. It has received rave reviews in many magazines. I'm not afraid of many of the products on the market any more. Somethings gonna get me anyway.

[witsend]

Oh I agree Bin; there is absolutely no proof that parabens cause problems. Just because they are present in a tumor does not mean that they CAUSED the tumor, which is why paraben fears have been classed as junk science. It's like if you gained weight after eating chocolate croissants on the subway every day for a month, blamed the weight gain on the subway, and then started a website warning people that subways lead to weight gain. lol

[binsky]

Oh I agree Bin; there is absolutely no proof that parabens cause problems. Just because they are present in a tumor does not mean that they CAUSED the tumor, which is why paraben fears have been classed as junk science. It's like if you gained weight after eating chocolate croissants on the subway every day for a month, blamed the weight gain on the subway, and then started a website warning people that subways lead to weight gain. lol

LOL If regenerist is going to help to keep me younger looking, at a reasonable price, I'm buying!

[Crazy in CA]

Oh I agree Bin; there is absolutely no proof that parabens cause problems. Just because they are present in a tumor does not mean that they CAUSED the tumor, which is why paraben fears have been classed as junk science. It's like if you gained weight after eating chocolate croissants on the subway every day for a month, blamed the weight gain on the subway, and then started a website warning people that subways lead to weight gain. lol

Well just in case I am NOT riding the subway!!!

[SKEEWEEAKA]

Hilarious!!!! Again, it is a personal choice! I simply try to keep the parabens and other estrogenic products away from my 12 year old...you are all adults!

TJ

[peri1961]

Interesting! I would like t try it. I am so darn cheap. That is why I have not tried it so far. Spending over a few bucks for cream is hard for me.

Could I have avoided an AD????

[Gia*]

I've been using regenerist on my wrists for the last week and I haven't had a panic attack LOL!! Probably mind over matter...but hey Ill take anything I can to keep the panic away.

[janet c]

I have been using Olay regenerist night cream (the purple pot) faithfully for about 3 years. I have only just noticed that this is the actual one that had been mentioned in relation to hot flashes.
Sorry ladies but I have not found absolutely any benefit at all in regard to hot flashes. I wish I had! I haven't found much benefit on my skin yet either but I live in hope

I really don't worry about all these chemical scares by the way. I truly believe that if something is gonna happen then it will-whatever you do. I had endometrial cancer 3 years ago. The doctors said I did not have one risk factor for it. I was not overweight, had a good diet, and I had had three children all of which I had breastfed etc etc.

Actually that experience has set me free from all the petty health worrying that goes on -usually caused by the media. Of course I wouldn't use anything really harmful if really proven to be- but everything in life carries a risk. The one harmful thing I did which probably caused my cancer was to use Vagifem for about 6 months. Now many women are using it with absoluely no problem, but if you look at the leaflets, the warnings about cancer are all there. It is up to you which things you choose to worry about. My view would be it is probably more of a risk using HRT than using a deodorant with parabens in. Others may decide to look the other way about the HRT risks and worry about something else.

There are so many things to be afraid of. I have decided not to worry about every little thing. There is no way you would get me to stop using my chemical- full deodorant because frankly those other ones don't work for me and I smell!

Just my view

janet c

[Careergrl]

Janet! Just wanted to chime in here. If you look at the first post, you will see that it is Olay Regenerist Microsculpting that has made a difference for the poster. There is a difference in the ingredients of "Regenerist microsculpting cream" in the red jar and the "Regenerist night cream" in the purple jar!!! I have been using microsculpting for over a month now. I can truthfully say it has pretty much eliminated my morning anxiety if I rub it into my wrists and inner elbows every evening. I am 9 years post and my one lingering symptom has been anxiety in the morning. I can't take HRT nor BHRT so the microsculpting cream has truly been a miracle for me!! But, as far as taking hot flashes away, I couldn't make that claim as mine went away many years ago.

CG

[Careergrl]

One more thing to add. The microsculpting cream has made a huge difference in my skin's appearance. The Regenerist night cream did absolutely nothing to improve the appearance of my facial and neck skin. I used it for over a year.

[janet c]

The first poster natesnonni said this -


"Another nutty development. I started using the Olay Regenerist microsculpting and the night cream on my hands and forearems"

Presume she meant Regenerist Night cream???
So-she said she uses both. Maybe it's the red one that is the miracle, then?

janet c

[Careergrl]

I can only go from my testing of both creams and finding the miracle in the little red jar ...micro-sculpting is the operative word!!

[janet c]

Its taken me a while to find this because here in UK it's just called "3 point cream"
It jolly expensive. Apart from the flash reduction does it do anything for the face?
janet c

[janet c]

Oh yes Careergrl I see you say it has
sorry
janet c

[janet c]

Sorry everyone-I am on a roll here! I have just finished my last pot of Regenerist night so I thought I would try this miracle cream
I just looked at the price in Boots and it is on offer at the moment for £29.35 or $43 71
I have just grabbed one from Ebay for £14.35 or $20.93 including carriage!
I dont know what it costs in US but I believe it is quite expensive so I think I have got myself a little bargain.
I will let you know if it works on the meno symptoms for me (or the wrinkles )
janet c